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Originally posted by Gseven
reply to post by TheBloodRed
Perhaps, but I don't ever recall reading where our collective consciousness was being manipulated and used against for our own demise in such an overt way. Perhaps I've just missed those, or have never seen them, but it is definitely an original thought in my mind...I know I'm not the only one, but it's new to me.
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.
Originally posted by sylvie
Now here's a controversial thought: In one of my previous posts, I said that Sarah Graymalkin, the dark old witch in Nick Redfern's book "Three Men Seeking Monsters," said that not just fairies but also the old gods had been forgotten and weren't believed in anymore.
Could it be that Yahweh/Jehovah was one of those old gods, but he managed not to be forgotten and is now domineering the landscape, gaining power from the devotion of his followers?
Could that be why the first and foremost of the commandments is, "You shall not have any other gods"? Would losing the devotion and worship to other "old gods" like Zeus, Aphrodite, Isis, etc. weaken him? Could the whole reason behind the Bible, Koran, and other scriptures be a fierce competition between Cormons to get the attention of mankind?
I've always wondered why the Creator of the universe, the ultimate, absolute, omnipresent and omnipotent Godhead, would need to be worshiped and sacrificed to by us little human worms. The God I believe in doesn't want or need any of that stuff; he is very much self-contained.
Could it be that the need for worship is a Cormon need? In the Gnostic book, "The Secret Teachings of Jesus," in "The Secret Book of John," Jesus tells the story of how the world was created. In that story, Yahweh is one of the low-level minions of Yaldabaoth (whom we'd call Satan/Lucifer = the bad guy) and is one of the servants designated to rule over Earth and keep things in line.
This is just one of my many speculative thoughts, but quite interesting if you think it through, without religious bias.
Originally posted by Gseven
reply to post by TheBloodRed
Perhaps, but I don't ever recall reading where our collective consciousness was being manipulated and used against for our own demise in such an overt way. Perhaps I've just missed those, or have never seen them, but it is definitely an original thought in my mind...I know I'm not the only one, but it's new to me.
Originally posted by sylvie
reply to post by EarthCitizen23
Question is, how do you forget something that is so prominent in your and everyone's mind? It's like trying NOT to think of a green elephant.
Also, if it's the truth that our minds are so powerful that we're constantly feeding the NHEs and earthly events with our thoughts, then that means that we here at ATS and other conspiracy sites are hugely contributing to the problem.
edit on 25-3-2012 by sylvie because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by AussieAmandaC
reply to post by sylvie
I'm not hiding from the 'reality' or violence, the neighbours had a 'slap bang' (5 adults men and women) last night, the priority for me though, was the kids (2) first then the adults. It doesn't matter what they were fighting about so much as they all willingly stepped into chaos, it was quite surreal. Blood, broken bones, smashed furniture, it was quite a sight, but also becoming a regular occurrence.
No laying of blame can sort them out so in my view they're all equal, there is no light or dark there. The potential for either or is there though.
Lack of personal control (mental/physical/spiritual) is never the way to get where you want to be is what I've learnt so far.
I'd be very interested to hear of your own experiences with some of your 'workings', maybe you could offer advice on how best I can be of help to my neighbours?
Originally posted by Captain Beyond
I've been told that these aliens taste just like chicken! They better watch out for human beings that like chicken! They may become the meal, instead of the eater!! I know why I have never been abducted or seen a ufo. Because the alien would be dead, and I would shoot the ufo down. They can sense this in my thoughts, and they avoid me at all costs! Now where's my chicken?
Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
OK Sylvie,, on to the 'Big One" here you started.
The Gods. Why is it they so need our worship, praise and adoration when supposedly they are the grand Creators of it all. Is it the same as when an Artist has made a Masterpiece and it is hung in a museum or gallery and people come to see it,, admire it and take it all in. I don't think so.
So, the Grand Ultimate Ground of All Being, the Creator of it ALL,, needs and compels us to worship him,, and it some instances on threat of Damnation if we don't Worship and Adore as required. Again,, I don't buy it.
Now,, as you mentioned, Yaldabaoth has other needs and desires, so instilling in humankind fear and the knowledge of him being a jealous god who REQUIRES worship, obedience to Laws, and more lets us in on a clue. Either this is just another demented Humanoid,, who is playing 'god'. Or it is a Thoughtform created by our spiritual needs and wants and nothing more. If it is the True Creator we are all in a mess.
My thought is that Yaldabaoth, Jehovah/Yahweh and a whole slew of deities are nothing more than Tulpa, created by thousands of years of intense thought, prayer, worship and devotion, not to mention animal sacrifice and human blood shed in 'his' name. Blood Magick is always the most potent and powerful magick there is to perform, and so many deities owe their very "Lives" to such workings. These are some of the most potent and strong Tulpa, and now in our Modern world we face them and the ''gifts' they have given us.. I am not really of the mind those gifts are all that good. So, I believe that the only way to counter this phenomenon is to face our Shadow, and reabsorb the products or eons of Tulpa creation. Else we are doomed to live our Armageddons, or our End Times, and Never will we see the UTOPIA's that so many of us have forgotten even as ideas.
Heaven on Earth?? Only if we see that our collective creations,,, Our Gods and Goddess, that have sucked out our humanity in return for blind worship and praise are due their funeral. Humanity must grow beyond the confines we have created for ourselves.
Now with that said, does that mean I am an Atheist? No,,
I just have always Loved the God behind the other gods, and goddesses. I see the creator as being the Tulpa behind the Tulpas, so to speak. Possibly impersonal and having no need of worship,, especially since I believe it is more akin to some pantheistic ideas of deity. The kabbalistic view of the Tree of life, shows the 3 great supernals at the top with Kether as the top spot,,
But above that are Ain, Ain Soph, and Ain Soph Aur,, which are the real unknowns of the 3 veils of Negative Existance. They are Nothing, No Limit, and Limitless Light. They are closer to the ideal knowledge of what deity might be, not the Tulpa we have been worshiping for millennium.
The Tulpa that humanity have been feeding for thousands of years are afraid,, because when the Scientific revolution took over, and modern secular life was on the upswing,,, what could they do? They Instilled some more fear,, to ramp up the fundamentalists so that they could get their energy back for the big show,,,
End Times,,, Armageddon,, and the End of the World,,,, for who??:
Them?
or Us.
I say, them.
Originally posted by Tsurugi
The contents of Pandora's Box(actually it was a large jar, or pithos), once released, cannot be recaptured and shut away.
...except, of course, by a large-scale catastrophe capable of blasting world civilizations back to the hunter-gatherer stage.
Something to think about.