Trayvon Martin according to friends taunted Columbian friend

reply to post by popsmayhem


SHOOTING somone who is DEFENDING THEMSELVES AGAINST A GUN WIELDING ASSAILANT IS MURDER.

Zimmerman attacked Treyvon first
it is murder. If Zimmerman would not have
attacked treyvon, zimmerman would of never
to had a change to shot him
This is just more proof of how the webs lies and covers things up
goes to show Zimmerman is not just some little innocent neighbourhood batman..

There. That's how it's done.

wearing a hoodie or even name calling cannot be a ground for pursuit and open gun fire in chest. lets face it man killed the guy with racial bias.

If we're going to start convicting and executing teens in this country for:

1. going out late at night to get a soda and snacks
2. walking in an area that is not their neighborhood
3. wears a hoodie
4. is not white
5. has portrayed themselves as living the thug life on facebook (as so many teens do these days)
6. being immature and tormenting other people, or other races
7. tried to defend themselves from someone coming after them

Then we are going to start having a lot of dead teenagers on our hands!

Originally posted by imjustcurious242
wearing a hoodie or even name calling cannot be a ground for pursuit and open gun fire in chest. lets face it man killed the guy with racial bias.

I've been wearing hoodies all my life. I sure didn't know a hoodie was a sign of being some criminal out to rob someone's neighborhood. Maybe I better invest in some sweaters before I get shot.

Wow.

The title of the source article:

Trayvon Martin Case: Teen's Friends Say He Never Picked A Fight

The OP has picked out ONE sentence, misconstrued the context and filled it with conjecture.

Massad Ayoob writes for gun magazines. He writes a lot about when an armed citizen can use deadly force. Zimmerman is in deep doo doo. A policeman could question Martin, but not the armed vigilante citizen Zimmerman. The dispatcher told Zimmerman to stay away from Martin. As Zimmerman was armed, he will be found guilty. He created a situation that did not have to occur.
Teachers say Martin was a well behaved A/B student, who was on suspension for tardiness, not any criminal conduct.
If some creep hopped out of his car, approached you aggressively and called you a coon, you too might start pounding on him.
I do agree the media showing Martin as a young thin boy, is propaganda. Further, Obama should not have injected himself into this case.

Originally posted by ReadyPower
Yeah, he asked to be stalked at night by some creep in a car. (If I was walking down the street at night being followed by somebody in a car, I would think they are a creep or a robber) ... then after running, the person following him gets out of the car.

Trayvon was DEFENDING HIMSELF from this person following him. I find it funny how people justifying this murder by saying George was 'defending himself' ---- yeah he was defending himself from a kid defending himself from a stalker. (just put yourself in Trayvons shoes and tell yourself you wouldn't think George was a creep/stalker/robber)

edit on 24-3-2012 by ReadyPower because: spelling

You could be defending a criminal. The neighborhood had break ins, you're gonna get approached by the cops or neighborhood watch if you're walking around after dark. Hell I have been questioned/searched because some idiots were spray painting a church.

Oh yeah your stalker fear idea is rather silly, maybe he thought it was the police and that's why he was running. Especially if it was a decent neighborhood.

Good grades don't mean you don't commit crimes either.

Who cares!

First off to me it's starting to sound like this Trayvon wasn't all they make him out to be. It doesn't matter to me the color or race of either one. One is dead and the other shot him. Some say it was self defense and others say it wasn't. The media will make this a big deal and make race the issue, gotta love ratings huh....

Honestly I'm getting sick of hearing about this circus already. It's gonna turn into another Casey Anthony. I live in FL and I got sick of that real quick and this is getting there.

IT doesn't matter to me who started what. The fact is people are murdered EVERY DAY why is this one or any other one that makes the news so special. People shoot people of different races DAILY. Why does this have to be about race or ethnicity? This is not a special case, murders happen all over the world.

This whole story has been blown way out there and most of the information was left out in the beginning and is just now coming out....Why?

This is the exact thing I suggested in another thread.

Trayvon well as could have been the aggressor. Yeah he was young but oh well, age doesn't dictate killing capacity, unless you're 2 and a half or something ( in which Trayvon was NOT ). When I was growing up I knew several teens that could own another persons life.

The media has done a well enough job of making Trayvon appear innocent. If he is or isn't, I have no clue about that. My only stance is figuring if he instigated the situation towards his own demise.

I must state that in no way do I feel that the death of a child is not a tragedy. As well, if someone is a threat to you, young or old, and you kill them before they kill you then good riddance!

Originally posted by popsmayhem
SHOOTING somone who is attacking you
IS SELF DEFENSE NOT MURDER

Treyvon attacked zimmerman first
it is not murder. If treyvon would not have
attacked zimmerman, zimmerman would of never
to have had to of shot him
This is just more proof of how the msm lies and covers things up
goes to show treyvon is not just some little innocent kid..

Msm doesn't lie to cover things up, they embelish events to program the people with what they want.
Currently racial division in the most immigration diverse society in the world seems to be what is required by those who control the MSM.

It could so easily be defused with the right messages from the TV to the people.

Ok heres my opinion, and i was someone very much like Trayvon at school with a similar family situation, and hung around with people alike, so i know how they think after 30years of looking back at my own errors and understanding people alike, id consider myself to be a self taught shrink with out the BS qualification

Firstly, Zimmerman should without a doubt go down for his actions, however i don't believe he should be fully sentenced for murder maximum sentence etc, but manslaughter instead,

Why this kid Trayvon is being portrayed as an angel i have no idea, he was a suspected drug dealer and if he was not, then he was a wannabe gangster like all popular teens are these days, he was suspended from school, in my experience, anyone who has been suspended from school is a tear away teen end off, and not a normal well behaved person, they are generally kids with underling issues or troubled pasts, all the people i went to school with who was suspended from school, was drug dealers or drug addicts and bullys and when they left school and grew up, become even worst, they either murdered someone themselves, or got into all sorts of trouble and was generally in and out of prison for these crimes, but again this only applies to a small % of them

I was one of those people, it took me 30yrs to get on the right track in life and realize i needed to grow up and forget and start a new and that was largely due to joining the Army to get away from my self and the people around me, Trayvon was not the innocent normal well behaved kid people make him out to be trust me, at least after a quick read up on him i'm more than sure, he was more than capable of attacking mr zimmerman to IMO

If i was 6ft 3 being followed by 5ft 8 Mr Zimmerman, i would have got very annoyed, confronted him and attacked him in a rage if it was unprovoked enough or i felt i was being victimized as i suspect Trayvon felt he was at the time, theres only so long someone can have that going round in there head before they explode and become violent, "hes only following me because i'm black and wearing these clothes" i suspect zimmerman would not have followed a white teen, just my opinion

After looking at the evidence and the story thats what i believed happened, he was following him as the police told him not to incase he provoked or made the situation worst, he took offense and attacked him after an exchange of words, maybe Zimmerman called him a coon and told him where to go after he steriotyped him to be a wannabe gangster, thus the staines on Mr Zimmermans back, he pulled a gun in self defense (he should have took the beating like a man) and not shot at Trayvon, but he did, maybe to scare him off, or maybe to maim him or wound him in revenge, but he shot him and killed him, if he had no experience with firing weapons its possible he never ment to kill him but just didn't want him to get away unscathed,

IMO, that is the question here, whether Mr Zimmerman meant to kill him, just one look at his face and eyes he looks the sort to lose it and make that mistake, but still, i don't think he deserves a full sentence as i personally believe Trayvon attacked first, none of these guys are innocent, i don't see why the public are so up in arms about it they was two idiots acting morons, that should not insight more morons to act which i suspect the government are doing by giving this daily occurrence so much exposure

It doesn't matter what race they are, there are morons in every race because where all human with human emotions

So wake up and don't get dragged into this would be my addvice to you all, because we have alot of morons out there that can't control there anger and this story is being pushed to get those people to react, which will escalate into race violence on your streets,

why is this kid so popular, people die every day

Originally posted by wlord
why is this kid so popular, people die every day

Because the people who decide what news to feed you decided you should know this, thats why, that this Hispanic man killed a Black man for no reason at all

I don't care WHAT he said. It isn't illegal, although I guess some do think he deserved to get shot; that's what it sounds like to me. The bottom line is that this entire thing was provoked by a moron. How is that self-defense?
This is like me or you going outside one night, walking up to a stranger who just happens to be there, starting something with him by doing "whatever" to him...Then, after he kicks my butt, I shoot him and claim self-defense. But again, this isn't what happened really, but I will play along.

If some guy started coming up to me and harassing me, I may fight him as well, IF I felt threatened, in an effort to protect myself. But there is NO evidence that this kid even fought with the adult. Bottom line is this kid weighed 140 lbs...and was 6 feet tall. That is SKINNY.

If that guy needed a gun to "subdue" the kid, then he is a liar, which I already knew tbh. It is HIS fault this happened, yet it was the one who had done nothing wrong who ends up dead. How do you people not see that? I don't care if he WAS a drug dealer or whatever. I don't condone that, but it is none of my business. He was breaking no laws on the street, and this guy went up and harassed him for no reason. BOTTOM LINE.

reply to post by Evolutionsend
I would not put it past the president or his handlers to use something like this to create a situation to futher there agenda weather it be marshell law or civil war among the masses to cancel all elections, knowing Obama has no chance in winning reelection.

If there is no agenda and people and our president are this much in need for civil unrest then we are in deep trouble any way you look at it.............this will not end well when you have the president of the United States fanning the flames of hatred and racism...............................WOW, the president............................"SURREAL"

Originally posted by popsmayhem
SHOOTING somone who is attacking you
IS SELF DEFENSE NOT MURDER

if you shot and killed everyone who beat you up in life how many people would have died?

if i call you a bitch and you punch me in the nose and i pull out a gun and blow your head off should i walk?

I think it's completely disgusting that the OP has taken something a friend of Trayvon's said as a public tribute to his friend and turned into this mess.

It's also completely disgusting that so many in this thread and others don't bother to read the sources since so many cant here you go. This is the article the OP took her quote from (relevant part bolded):

Trayvon Martin Case: Teen's Friends Say He Never Picked A Fight

MIAMI — Wearing a hoodie. Listening to music and talking on his cellphone. Picking up Skittles for his soon-to-be stepbrother. Friends say that's how they would have imagined 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on a Sunday afternoon.

Starting a fight? Possibly high on drugs and up to no good? No, friends say that description of Martin from the neighborhood crime-watch volunteer who shot and killed the unarmed black teenager doesn't match the young man they knew.

"There's no way I can believe that, because he's not a confrontational kid," said Jerome Horton, who was one of Martin's former football coaches and knew him since he was about 5. "It just wouldn't happen. That's just not that kid."

Martin was slain in the town of Sanford on Feb. 26 in a shooting that has set off a nationwide furor over race and justice. Neighborhood crime-watch captain George Zimmerman, whose father is white and mother is Hispanic, claimed self-defense and has not been arrested, though state and federal authorities are still investigating.

Since his death, Martin's name and photographs – in football jerseys, smiling alongside a baby, and staring into the camera in a gray hoodie – have been held up by civil rights leaders and at rallies stretching from Miami to New York demanding Zimmerman's arrest.

On Friday, President Barack Obama called the shooting a tragedy, vowed to get to the bottom of the case, and added: "When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids."

That sentiment was echoed by NBA star by Dwyane Wade, who along with his Miami Heat teammate LeBron James tweeted photos of themselves in hoodies in a show of solidarity.

"As a father, this hits home," said Wade, who has 10- and 4-year-old sons.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson said Friday that Martin's killing reflects "the classic struggle of our time" and said it echoes the slaying of Emmitt Till, a 14-year-old from Chicago who was murdered in 1954 while visiting Mississippi by a group of white men. No one was ever convicted, but Till's killing galvanized the civil rights movement.


Jackson said he will speak at a Sanford-area church Sunday and then attend a rally in the city Monday.

An Orlando criminal defense attorney who says he represents Zimmerson told CNN on Friday that his client isn't racist and the facts will show he acted in self-defense after a fight with the teen.

"I don't believe that George Zimmerman's a racist or that this was motivated by a dislike for African-Americans," said Craig Sonner.

Since the slaying, a portrait has emerged of Martin as a laid-back young man who loved sports, was extremely close to his father, liked to crack jokes with friends and, according to a lawyer for his family, had never been in trouble with the law.

The son of divorced parents, he grew up in working-class neighborhoods north of Miami's downtown. He and his father, a truck driver, were active in the Miramar Optimist Club, an organization that runs sports and academic programs for young people. Tracy Martin, the teen's father, coached his son's football team.

The boy was a swift athlete, according to a friend, and played a range of positions up to about age 14. After he stopped playing, he remained active in the organization, volunteering six days a week from June through November of last year to help run the team's concession stand.

Martin cooked hamburgers, hot dogs and chicken wings alongside his father at the stand. He loved talking to the kids, asking them what position they played and whether they were good, Horton recalled. He would call the mothers "Ma'am," and if they had a stroller or an item they needed help with, Martin stepped in.

"Everyone out there loved him," Horton said.

Martin was tall and lanky – only 140 pounds, according to the family's attorney – and his nickname was "Slimm."

The teen spent a big part of his week living with his father in a one-story, peach-colored home. Neighbor Fred Collins Jr. said he would see Trayvon Martin outside every week mowing the lawn and trimming the trees. The teen also helped Collins' son learn how to ride a bike.

"He was coaching him, giving him words of advice, encouragement," Collins said.

No one answered the door on a recent afternoon, and a child's plastic tricycle sat in the driveway.

Tracy Martin often recounted how his son saved his life. The elder Martin had begun heating up some oil to fry fish and fell asleep. The grease caught fire, and when Tracy Martin awoke and tried to put out the flames, he spilled the oil on his legs, severely burning himself. Trayvon Martin pulled his father out of the home and called 911.

Martin's parents kept a close eye on him, but they didn't have to be too strict, since he stayed out of trouble, Collins said. However, he had recently been suspended from school for five days for tardiness, his English teacher, Michelle Kypriss, told the Orlando Sentinel. School officials did not respond to a request for comment.

Martin's father was not happy and grounded the teen for the duration of the suspension.

Trayvon "knew he was wrong," Horton said.

Under state privacy law, only serious felonies appear on juveniles' public criminal records, and Martin did not have one. Citing the same law, Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said he could neither confirm nor deny the family's statement that Martin had never gotten in legal trouble.

Martin dreamed of becoming a pilot. He had flown on school vacations to various places around the country with his mother, skiing in Colorado one year, going off to Texas another.

"There's no little black kids that want to be pilots," Horton joked with him when he was about 13.

"Well, I'll be the first one," the teen replied.

At Dr. Michael M. Krop High School, where Martin was a junior, he was on the quiet side, but he would sit in the middle of the classroom, participate in class and especially liked math.

Schoolmates remembered his humorous side. "Brrrrian!" he would call out, rolling his r's as is done in Spanish, whenever 16-year-old Brian Paz got a phone call from his Colombian mother, the friend recalled. "I'd just burst out laughing," Paz said. Paz and other friends said Martin liked rap music and funny movies. He had written some lyrics, though he hadn't had a chance yet to perform them. Martin was especially a fan of a student musical group at his school called Bison. He had two of the group's pins on his backpack and helped spread the word about shows.

John Emmanuel, 17, said the group was about encouraging young men to be strong, independent leaders.

"That's how we liked to think of ourselves," Emmanuel said.

Martin had gone up to Sanford to visit his father's fianc�e, who lived there with her young son. Friends said Martin regarded the boy as his little brother and had been looking forward to watching the NBA All-Star game with him that weekend.

On that Sunday, Martin went out to get candy and an iced tea at a convenience store and was walking back to the fiancee's townhouse. Zimmerman, 28, spotted him and told a police dispatcher: "This guy looks like he is up to no good – he is on drugs or something."

After the shooting, Zimmerman claimed that Martin attacked him as he was returning to his truck.

But Martin's friends said they find that hard to believe. They said they had never seen him fight at all.

"As far as attacking the guy without him attacking him, no way," Horton said.

edit on 25-3-2012 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Evolutionsend

 

Obama is a race baiter just like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton et al. Plain and simple!

This is another example of the POTUS jumping the gun in support of a black guy. When are people going to see this man for what he is? He’s not the post-racial president he claimed to be…he is one of the biggest racists to ever occupy the White House.

These are the kind of reactions you get from a man who studied black liberation theology and listened to the hate speech of Jeremiah Wright for decades. Shocking?? Not to me!

edit on 24-3-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

BINGO ladies and gentlemen we have a winner!!

The POTUS obviously did not learn his lesson about stepping into a fight that was beneath the office. This is another example of the whole, DC prof, beer gate thing. Why is not Valerie Jordan stopping him from getting into these petty squabbles?

Because it fits his agenda. Seabag gets today's prize for most honest evaluation of the Obummbler.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend

"Brrrrian!" he would call out, rolling his r's as is done in Spanish, whenever 16-year-old Brian Paz got a phone call from his Colombian mother, the friend recalled.

source

I find this oh so interesting after reading some of the other threads floating around about Trayvon. Was he the racial aggressor? Was he a typical young athlete that lacked respect for authority figures, and hispanic Americans? I think so. I think this kid is being built up by the media into something he isn't, which is innocent. Was the "coon" remark in retaliation to a racial slur muttered by Trayvon? What I wouldn't give to hear the testimony of George Zimmerman.

It is humorous that the very statements given by friends to make him look innocent, are giving me pause when labeling this kid a martyr. This isn't some facebook comment or other crappy source, it's what his friends told the media.

This is so ignorant I don't know where to begin.

The boy was UNARMED AND MURDERED. What the hell is wrong with you people? Are you so full of hate for anyone that doesn't look like you that it makes you blind to common sense?

You should be embarrassed OP.

FISRST LET ME SAY YES I AM BLACK...AND AN AMERICAN! I ALONG WITH OTHERS IN OUR COMMUNITY FIND IT DIFFICULT TO EVEN FATHEM WHAT IS TAKING SO LONG FOR JUSTICE TO BE SERVED! Now if this situation was the other way around Travon would have been thrown UNDER jail not just in it! I tell you what... #JUSTICEFORTRAVON is all we want! And if its not served soon...I'm afraid some will act on behalf of the justice system and take into there own hands! I know some that went from "justice for travon" to "mask up for travon." And quite frankly I'm about to put my mask on my damn self! WE WANT JUSTICE