"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." - Obama. What the MSM isn't telling you.

reply to post by TsukiLunar



Yeah. Its getting harder to give the guy the beneficial doubt . Im trying to look at this,like a juror.
Still need more evidence,although there are those that have this guy guilty,immediately .

reply to post by sonnny1


I think it's "punks" actually, but there's a whole hell of a lot more to the story than what's in these hate mongering threads. I trust that you'll read up on the story Sonny and then you can see these threads for exactly what they are.

The anger is about more than an unarmed kid being gunned down by an aggressor, whatever his motives were, how the police handled the case is a huge part of what's at issue.

After listening to the Zimmerman police phone call, a completely different picture emerges. Zimmerman doesn't come off as some crazed vigilante, but a neighborhood watch doing his job.

Zimmerman reports to the police, Trayvon acting suspiciously. Not just walking home, but casing the neighborhood. Maybe this is a misunderstanding, but seeing someone standing outside of someones home taking a long good stare could be what is going on, and that is suspicious.

Trayvon then takes off running after seeing Zimmerman, why?

On the phone we hear Zimmerman starting to breath hard as he starts to pursue Trayvon, then the police tell Zimmerman that he doesn't need to pursue Trayvon, and the hard breathing stops, which sounds like at the request of the police, Zimmerman stops pursuing Trayvon. Then Zimmerman makes arrangement to meet with a police officer. Doesn't sound like the actions of a vigilante.

How much time elapses between the phone call with the police, and the final altercation between Zimmerman and Trayvon? If the eye witness is true, than Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, and Zimmerman is innocent.

If this was white on white, black on black, or latino and latino, we wouldn't be reading have this thread.

We are getting played with this story people.

Originally posted by j2000

At that point it does not matter. He could have called him all kinds of names, etc. The "Little boy" came back out of his way and took to the agressive. He was beating the crap out of Zimmerman.

That "little boy" is dead. He has a name. Have some respect.

Martin's initial reaction to Zimmerman was to walk away from him. That is not the actions of an aggressive person.

Martin did not make contact with Zimmerman. Zimmerman pursued Martin and made contact with Martin. Zimmerman by following Martin was the aggressor in this situation.

There is one fact that no one can deny, and it is a FACT.... The 911 Operator told Zimmerman to not follow Martin. If Zimmerman had listened, Martin would be alive today.

If Martin had a bag of crack and .22 pistol on him, people would be praising Zimmerman and calling him a hero who was protecting his neighborhood. Zimmerman got it wrong. He followed his gut feeling and was wrong. He shot and killed an unarmed 17 year old who was in possession of a bag of Skittles Candy all because he believed that Martin was "up to no good" and possibly "on drugs or something" with no evidence, no conversation, no contact of any kind. Just from looking at him from down the street.

Zimmerman assumed, he assumed wrong, and it resulted in the death of a 17 year old kid who would not have had to die if Zimmerman simply listened to a 911 Operator. This is WHY that 911 Operator told him not to follow.

reply to post by TsukiLunar


So what its a public sidewalk get tour head out or your arse. So if there was a jogger running for me
I can turn around and attack because a strange man is running to me? You bring up the same thing every comeback like its going to magically be the right story. But as you play play kingdom hearts magic is no problem to you ha. They will let him go and when they do I will laugh at every comment you ever made. Im leaving now I have a life so go crawl into a hole and never return please.
Good day.

Originally posted by Chalupas
WHAT THE MSM ISNT TELLING YOU
OBAMA - "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon."

What the protestors and MSM are saying:

-- "Trayvon Martin was a helpless child."--
Don't be fooled by the pictures from his 7th grade graduation. Trayvon Martin was 6'3, 170 pounds, and a football player. Far from helpless against a 5'8, overweight, Zimmerman.

--"Trayvon was a child of high moral standing."--

imageshack.us...
Actually, from his facebook posts we can assume he was a known drug dealer.

--"Zimmerman was told by police not to follow Martin."--
Wrong. Zimmerman was told that by a 911 dispatcher who has no authority.

--"Zimmerman shot at Trayvon without reason."---
Wrong. According to the POLICE REPORT, Zimmerman was bleeding and had wet, grass stains on the back of his shirt.

--"You can hear Trayvon yelling for help in the 911 audio files."
According to EYE WITNESS accounts, Zimmerman was underneath Trayvon Martin yelling for help.

--"Trayvon lived in the nieghborhood."--
False again. Trayvon was serving an 8 day school suspension at the time and staying with his father.

More to come as the investigation continues.

Granted your links pointing out that Zimmerman was assaulted by Martin are not given as much airplay as the high-pressure hot air from Sharpton et al. However, Obama appears to be using his position as a black president to reassure the black community that the man in charge is going to ensure that everything about this case is going to come to light. In the short term that should have the effect of defusing potential riots etc.

Sad excuses for human beings. Love that some (not all, mind you, as I see some want to have every last detail out first) of you couldn't give two craps that a kid is dead. "Oh no! He may have smoked/sold a bit of marijuana!"

Alright, poster of this abomination of a thread ,if you perceive that action as so terribly dangerous than let's just shoot all the kids/adults who have ever done so. Crowding our prisons for smoking some pot isn't good enough, let's just follow them and shoot them all where they stand. Sense some sarcasm here? Good.

I believe it has been pointed out to you several times that this kid (A KID) WAS in fact followed and common sense would tell you he would be scared. Zimmerman was told to NOT follow the kid and kept doing it anyway, because in his self righteous, delusional, racist mind, this kid was already guilty of something.

Zimmerman sounds like a gun-happy, paranoid, and mentally ill individual that needs to be thoroughly evaluated by a psychologist. In NO way is he any kind of hero. And finally, I don't give a crap how the MSM or politicians try to use this to their benefit. You've got the recordings free to listen too, there are phone records........ the 911 calls. I don't care if this kid was a little jerk, he DID NOT deserve to be murdered by some weirdo on a power trip and then shot! Of course some in the media and his family are going to tell us how sweet of kid he was. He was some mother's baby. Your family would do the same for you, even if you weren't such a good person.


You know what Zimmerman could have done? Maybe tried to restrain the kid or, hell.. .. just let him get away maybe? The cops could have taken it from there! No. Listen to those calls. That guy already was a delusional sick man, convinced that kid was some freaking armed robber/murder/rapist/anti-christ..

reply to post by Kali74


star for ya.

I am really trying to be opened minded on this,and I am taking in all the evidence as it comes.Yes,some of the threads have agendas,but to be honest,its a very hot topic right now,with those who have passed judgement on BOTH men accordingly. The only problem I see,is one is dead. I would hope people took race out of the issue,but I see those pandering to it, President included,and that's sad also.

reply to post by SonoraUndergroundLabs

So what its a public sidewalk get tour head out or your arse. So if there was a jogger running for me I can turn around and attack because a strange man is running to me?

I dont know. Is the the jogger CHASING YOU DOWN THE STREET TRYING TO CATCH YOU??? Analogy fail.

You bring up the same thing every comeback like its going to magically be the right story.

Okay? Well i am sticking to the facts. Problem?

But as you play play kingdom hearts magic is no problem to you ha.

More of a Final Fantasy fan, but a weird jab nonetheless.

. They will let him go and when they do I will laugh at every comment you ever made.

And I will laugh at you laughter(because its a stupid laugh)

Im leaving now I have a life so go crawl into a hole and never return please. Good day.

Good day to you too.

Originally posted by poet1b



If this was white on white, black on black, or latino and latino, we wouldn't be reading have this thread.

We are getting played with this story people.

Agree.

Sad that our President is supplying the sound bites.

reply to post by MrWendal


Again, from the recorded conversation with the police, Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon at the suggestion of the police, and arranged to meet with the police.

Now we have an eye witness who says Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.

When I see someone checking me out sitting in a car in a nice neighborhood, I wave, the universal, my hands are empty, I am just out for a walk. What did Trayvon do? He ran, and that was a mistake.

It looks more and more like a situation where nothing should have happened, gone horribly wrong.

reply to post by TsukiLunar


One day you shall see... one day..

I read most of these posts..here is a different perspective of Martin..

MIAMI (AP) — Wearing a hoodie. Listening to music and talking on his cellphone. Picking up Skittles for his soon-to-be stepbrother. Friends say that's how they would have imagined 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on a Sunday afternoon. Starting a fight? Possibly high on drugs and up to no good? No, friends say that description of Martin from the neighborhood crime-watch volunteer who shot and killed the unarmed black teenager doesn't match the young man they knew.
"There's no way I can believe that, because he's not a confrontational kid," said Jerome Horton, who was one of Martin's former football coaches and knew him since he was about 5. "It just wouldn't happen. That's just not that kid." Martin was slain in the town of Sanford on Feb. 26 in a shooting that has set off a nationwide furor over race and justice. Neighborhood crime-watch captain George Zimmerman, whose father is white and mother is Hispanic, claimed self-defense and has not been arrested, though state and federal authorities are still investigating. Since his death, Martin's name and photographs — in football jerseys, smiling alongside a baby, and staring into the camera in a gray hoodie — have been held up by civil rights leaders and at rallies stretching from Miami to New York demanding Zimmerman's arrest
. On Friday, President Barack Obama called the shooting a tragedy, vowed to get to the bottom of the case, and added: "When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids." That sentiment was echoed by NBA star by Dwyane Wade, who along with his Miami Heat teammate LeBron James tweeted photos of themselves in hoodies in a show of solidarity. "As a father, this hits home," said Wade, who has 10- and 4-year-old sons. The Rev. Jesse Jackson said Friday that Martin's killing reflects "the classic struggle of our time" and said it echoes the slaying of Emmitt Till, a 14-year-old from Chicago who was murdered in 1955 while visiting Mississippi by a group of white men. No one was ever convicted, but Till's killing galvanized the civil rights movement.
Jackson said he will speak at a Sanford-area church Sunday and then attend a rally in the city Monday. An Orlando criminal defense attorney who says he represents Zimmerson told CNN on Friday that his client isn't racist and the facts will show he acted in self-defense after a fight with the teen. "I don't believe that George Zimmerman's a racist or that this was motivated by a dislike for African-Americans," said Craig Sonner. Since the slaying, a portrait has emerged of Martin as a laid-back young man who loved sports, was extremely close to his father, liked to crack jokes with friends and, according to a lawyer for his family, had never been in trouble with the law.
The son of divorced parents, he grew up in working-class neighborhoods north of Miami's downtown. He and his father, a truck driver, were active in the Miramar Optimist Club, an organization that runs sports and academic programs for young people. Tracy Martin, the teen's father, coached his son's football team. The boy was a swift athlete, according to a friend, and played a range of positions up to about age 14. After he stopped playing, he remained active in the organization, volunteering six days a week from June through November of last year to help run the team's concession stand. Martin cooked hamburgers, hot dogs and chicken wings alongside his father at the stand. He loved talking to the kids, asking them what position they played and whether they were good, Horton recalled. He would call the mothers "Ma'am," and if they had a stroller or an item they needed help with, Martin stepped in.
"Everyone out there loved him," Horton said. Martin was tall and lanky — only 140 pounds, according to the family's attorney — and his nickname was "Slimm." The teen spent a big part of his week living with his father in a one-story, peach-colored home. Neighbor Fred Collins Jr. said he would see Trayvon Martin outside every week mowing the lawn and trimming the trees. The teen also helped Collins' son learn how to ride a bike. "He was coaching him, giving him words of advice, encouragement," Collins said. No one answered the door on a recent afternoon, and a child's plastic tricycle sat in the driveway. Tracy Martin often recounted how his son saved his life. The elder Martin had begun heating up some oil to fry fish and fell asleep. The grease caught fire, and when Tracy Martin awoke and tried to put out the flames, he spilled the oil on his legs, severely burning himself.
Trayvon Martin pulled his father out of the home and called 911. Martin's parents kept a close eye on him, but they didn't have to be too strict, since he stayed out of trouble, Collins said. However, he had recently been suspended from school for five days for tardiness, his English teacher, Michelle Kypriss, told the Orlando Sentinel. School officials did not respond to a request for comment. Martin's father was not happy and grounded the teen for the duration of the suspension. Trayvon "knew he was wrong," Horton said. Under state privacy law, only serious felonies appear on juveniles' public criminal records, and Martin did not have one. Citing the same law, Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said he could neither confirm nor deny the family's statement that Martin had never gotten in legal trouble. Martin dreamed of becoming a pilot. He had flown on school vacations to various places around the country with his mother, skiing in Colorado one year, going off to Texas another. "There's no little black kids that want to be pilots," Horton joked with him when he was about 13.
"Well, I'll be the first one," the teen replied. At Dr. Michael M. Krop High School, where Martin was a junior, he was on the quiet side, but he would sit in the middle of the classroom, participate in class and especially liked math. Schoolmates remembered his humorous side. "Brrrrian!" he would call out, rolling his r's as is done in Spanish, whenever 16-year-old Brian Paz got a phone call from his Colombian mother, the friend recalled. "I'd just burst out laughing," Paz said. Paz and other friends said Martin liked rap music and funny movies. He had written some lyrics, though he hadn't had a chance yet to perform them. Martin was especially a fan of a student musical group at his school called Bison. He had two of the group's pins on his backpack and helped spread the word about shows. John Emmanuel, 17, said the group was about encouraging young men to be strong, independent leaders. "That's how we liked to think of ourselves," Emmanuel said. Martin had gone up to Sanford to visit his father's fiancée, who lived there with her young son. Friends said Martin regarded the boy as his little brother and had been looking forward to watching the NBA All-Star game with him that weekend. On that Sunday, Martin went out to get candy and an iced tea at a convenience store and was walking back to the fiancee's townhouse. Zimmerman, 28, spotted him and told a police dispatcher:
"This guy looks like he is up to no good — he is on drugs or something." After the shooting, Zimmerman claimed that Martin attacked him as he was returning to his truck. But Martin's friends said they find that hard to believe. They said they had never seen him fight at all. "As far as attacking the guy without him attacking him, no way," Horton said.

Originally posted by SonoraUndergroundLabs
reply to post by TsukiLunar

 

One day you shall see... one day..

How ominous!

Originally posted by poet1b
What did Trayvon do? He ran, and that was a mistake.

hmmm....
Well,why couldn't he run? Why couldn't he jog? The only mistake is that there was a confrontation to begin with. When I see something going down,I'm not going to confront it,unless its something that endangers my family's life,or another humans life. Obviously,better judgment wasn't shown in this particular case. I still hold off Judging BOTH men though,cause I wasn't there.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by MrWendal

 

Again, from the recorded conversation with the police, Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon at the suggestion of the police, and arranged to meet with the police.

Now we have an eye witness who says Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.

When I see someone checking me out sitting in a car in a nice neighborhood, I wave, the universal, my hands are empty, I am just out for a walk. What did Trayvon do? He ran, and that was a mistake.

It looks more and more like a situation where nothing should have happened, gone horribly wrong.

No Zimmerman does not stop following Trayvon. You are assuming he stopped following. I would suggest you listen to it again. It sounds to me like Zimmerman tells the 911 Operator to call him back so he can tell Police where he is because he is continuing to follow Martin and does not know where Martin is going.

Originally posted by SonoraUndergroundLabs
reply to post by TsukiLunar

 

I already know what I need to know about you and your history. Computers do wonders when the you have a brain. In the end we all end up in the ground some way or another so see ya on the other side pal. Believe what you think. We shall all soon see

Yes, yes, very scary. So... you either hacked my comp or searched my screen name? I hope its the latter. Either way, that's pretty weird way to go about things.

Reveal my secret history for all to see! Reveal for me! Reveal for all! I have no secrets, except the secrets I have! And if you posses them, then please share them! Share them, my little friend.

(on a side : I am impressed at your prowess)

reply to post by baddmove

"This guy looks like he is up to no good — he is on drugs or something." After the shooting, Zimmerman claimed that Martin attacked him as he was returning to his truck. But Martin's friends said they find that hard to believe. They said they had never seen him fight at all. "As far as attacking the guy without him attacking him, no way," Horton said.

So did this attack take place near the truck?

If so, than from the police call, that looks exactly like what happened.

What a tragedy.