Elke's Warning

Actually, I believe that communism is a more efficient way towards global technological evolution. The problem with communism is, like any economic system, corruption.

Corruption eventually kills capitalism too, it just takes longer but is also harder to stop to cut off the source.
When human will be socially evolved enough, we could adapt communism.

Till now, I agree that we shouldn't let the system go towards communism since our leaders are corrupted like never before in history.

If you let the government have any power over you or your neighbors, they will have power over you! Ponder that the next time you ask for Welfare/social assistance/health care/rights over others/intervention/money/laws. It all ends in them taking from you little by little until they have it all, and all of your rights and freedoms.

"You are going to ask to be a slave, and they will help you become one!"

Originally posted by poet1b


Despite the obvious fact that the banks have taken control of the U.S. after thirty years of support of free market economics, you people still refuse to get it.

Free Market = Communism.

Look deeper. The bankers are but a root of the tree, of The Federal Reserve.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by loam

 

Your link is garbage, making a big claim with no supporting quotes, and a link that does not say what the article claims it says.

That is the bigger problem, you people keep wanting to blame Obama for the problems created under the GW admin, and by the GW admin.

It is really pathetic, and we will never regain control of our country when so many people keep drinking the right wing propaganda cool-aid.

Humm. Looks to me like Obama is carrying on with systematically taking away people's freedoms, with all of his bills he has signed: ie: NDAA

The Bush family may have done a lot of destructive things, but Obama sure as hell has not brought an end to it either. He's just a right winger in sheeps clothing.

reply to post by burntheships


And the vast number of branches above the Fed Res tree are the corporate entities branching out and controlling all of our lives.

These corporations are not beholden to the people of the U.S. in any form. You can not vote with your spending practices, when the money supply has been so vastly re-distributed into the hands of a small few, who then control almost all of the wealth, and so a majority of the economic votes.

The end result of free market economic policies is that all of the power has been transferred to the elites at the top of the corporate pyramid.

The result is the same as communism, elites are given absolute authority over the masses.

Perhaps this country needs communism so that it can collapse and be rebuilt from the foundation. We're too far along to turn things around now, we can only brace the storm and hope for the best at a future date.

Wonderful and timely interview BTS. My thanks for posting it.
It should be painfully obvious to all that we are heading down the road to absolute state control of everything. With the advent of digital technology keeping the populace in line should be far easier now than it was for the East Germans.
Call it socialism or fascism, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that a few at the top control everything beneath them and frankly they don't care what we call it so long as they have their way.

I hope those in favor of granting amnesty to illegal aliens note it took her over 20 years to earn her citizenship. To grant it to millions simply for convenience sake is to spit in the eye of those who have had to work hard to gain that privilege.

Elke is obviously a very intelligent and well spoken person.
Such a beautiful woman for 70 years of age too.
I would that we could all age so gracefully.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by burntheships

 

And the vast number of branches above the Fed Res tree are the corporate entities branching out and controlling all of our lives.

These corporations are not beholden to the people of the U.S. in any form. You can not vote with your spending practices, when the money supply has been so vastly re-distributed into the hands of a small few, who then control almost all of the wealth, and so a majority of the economic votes.

Every time you purchase anything you are in control.

Corporations with unlimited campaign donations do not equate to Communism.
Wrong as that is, Communism is a worse form of Government.

The end result of free market economic policies is that all of the power has been transferred to the elites at the top of the corporate pyramid.
The result is the same as communism, elites are given absolute authority over the masses.

Not the same at all.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


Thank you ATA,

I too was impressed that Elke was proud of her citizenship, and she knew
she had worked hard for it, and earned it. She speaks English, and was proud
to learn it. That was her choice, contrasted with being forced to read and memorize
communist doctrine, I am sure she knows the value of choice.

Contrast that with standing ovations given to illegal's, my how things have changed.

reply to post by burntheships

I agree with most of Elke's message but she has a few facts wrong.
I guess thats understandable since she's been away for so long.

The german social state system for example has its roots back in 1870, way before Hitler or the DDR.
The subsequent social market economy is also one of the core principles of the Federal Republic of Germany today and one of the main reasons why Germany does so good right now and back in the cold war era.
The thing is, you have to do it right, then a social economy works excelent.

Also, churches played a pretty big role in the protest movement in East-Germany back in the 80's, shortly before the fall of the Berlin Wall. So it's not true that there where no churches in East-Germany.

I just wanted to add this information and good for Elke that she made it out of the DDR back then.

Lets recheck the facts.

If anything has failed it is clearly socialism and we're just getting warmed up.

The more socialism fails the more power we lose until finally our new dictator will come in and seize

our property, rights and freedoms.

This is history repeating itself.





Communism, Socialism and Fascism have tyranny in common.
In the end it is tyranny that ties them together.

www.slayerment.com...

If people don't listen to all of this, at least listen starting at minute 4:00. Then, connect the dots, for heaven's sake, by looking at the slow nudge by nudge this administration is enacting. Start with his czar appointees and examine closely their philosophy. Look at the Executive Orders he has issued. Look at the Bills he has signed into order.

Take to heart Elke's experience. It's real.

I suppose, though, that people who have never worked for anything real and tangible, don't get it. Socialism and communism probably does sound like a utopia. Those who have, however, and whose families have built at least a modicum of wealth, fully grasp what a truly wicked idea communism is at its core.

reply to post by User8911

Actually, I believe that communism is a more efficient way towards global technological evolution. The problem with communism is, like any economic system, corruption.

Nope. Communism does not fit people. There is nothing to motivate individuals to do something other then to rely on good will of all people (and i am sure that you will work very hard while a guy next to you would not do a thing and get same "needs fulfilled" ) or to force them to do things by creating huge oppressive beurocratic machine. Both ways are inefficient by definition.

Corruption eventually kills capitalism too, it just takes longer but is also harder to stop to cut off the source.
When human will be socially evolved enough, we could adapt communism.

Right. Corruption was with people throughout recorded history but suddenly we will evolve over it with a magic wand. Not. Listen, systems should fit people. You cannot wait for people to evolve enough to be ready for certain systems because it is insane nor you can force people into unfitting template. Soviet Union tried creating "new people" who could fit communism in the first decades - by awful inhumane ways - and it ended just where it started if not lower.

Please do not forget that our country comprises up of states that has its own governments in place and with that being said, please do not think that those senators are just going to lay down and let this happen without a fight. Here in Tennessee we have a bill that is trying to be passed to allow guns on business property as long as it stays in the owners vehicle as well as other gun laws that have been passed that allows for less gun restrictions. Business owners are trying to fight this saying government is trying to control them. I think it is more a matter of state senators knowing what is coming down the road and they are gearing up for it. What do yall think?

Originally posted by ColCurious

The thing is, you have to do it right, then a social economy works excelent.

Do socialism right, that could be Obama's next campaign slogan.
Seriously, it would probably work for him, I mean he is right there.

I’m very sceptical. She’s been a US citizen since 1987, yet still has not just a strong accent but struggles with words 0.47 liken “was put under… how do you say?… Answer: Russian territory”
In Britain we have a much better healthcare system; our banks were also bailed out –not because of ideology, but to stop panic causing a meltdown. Gun ownership is tightly controlled with the result they kill 0.46 people per 100,000 a year, compared with America’s 10.27
en.wikipedia.org...

We aren’t communist and neither is France!

reply to post by Danbones


Wrong 50% of Americans are not getting checks from the govt. Where on earth did you get your figures. Also, Obama care is not in effect yet. It is still being challenged by some states. I hate it when non Americans try to tell the rest of the world whats going on here. Probably never been south of Intl Falls. How's the weather up there fella ?

Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by Danbones

 

Wrong 50% of Americans are not getting checks from the govt. Where on earth did you get your figures. Also, Obama care is not in effect yet. It is still being challenged by some states. I hate it when non Americans try to tell the rest of the world whats going on here. Probably never been south of Intl Falls. How's the weather up there fella ?

Just something for you to check out:

TextIn the 2010 fiscal year, $65 billion in food stamps were distributed, with an average benefit per recipient in a household of $133 per month.[2] As of October 2011, 46,224,722 Americans were receiving food stamps.[3] In Washington, D.C., and Mississippi, more than one-fifth of residents receive food stamps.[4] Recipients must have at most near-poverty incomes to qualify for benefits.[5]

TextParticipants According to the United States Department of Agriculture (based on a study of data gathered in Fiscal Year 2010), statistics for the food stamp program are as follows:[14] 49% of all participants are children (17 or younger), and 49% of them live in single-parent households. 15% of all participants are elderly (age 60 or over). 20% of all participants are non-elderly disabled people. The average gross monthly income per food stamp household is $731; The average net income is $336. 35% of participants are White; 22% are African-American, not Hispanic; 10% are Hispanic; 2% are Asian, 4% are Native American, and 19% are of unknown race or ethnicity.[14] An annual report released by the Department of Agriculture about the composition of households participating in the Food Stamp Program is identified as the Characteristics Report.[15]

en.wikipedia.org...

TextBut that claim seems to fly in the face of statistics from the U.S. Department of Agriculture which show that there are 44.7 million Americans on food stamps – and there are more people are on food stamps now than at any time during the Bush administration.

reply to post by karen61057


Obama care is in effect in its tax collection stage, and its
reporting stage that is Doctors offices to HHS.

I know that is a fact, and employers have started paying into
this, that is why new hires are slow and low.

What does not start for 2 years is the acutal part of the implementation
to get to see the doctor under the plan.

So, socialism is marching on.

Look at some of the comments in this thread....even with the bare facts of the matter, idiots still want socialism / communism.