When Christians get angry.

Originally posted by yourmaker

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by yourmaker

 

more empty baseless threats, christians...

Really? Telling someone they will reap what they sow is a threat? Fine, let me translate to Paganish:

"Karma is a bitch!"

either way, you assume that people reaping (telling christians they are wrong) will sow their fate (their free to ticket to hell)

That's not at all what I implied. Not even close.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
Love it when people call me Monkeyboy instead of my name Boymonkey when they don't agree with me.
If any of you have watched the entire vid series you would know the point of this thread.
The atheists ask sensible and logical questions and because the Christians do not have any answers they resort to threats (hell or my fave "Iam gonna punch you in the face for Jesus").
I really think many of the Christians here have not even watched the Vid's.
The ATS moto is deny ignorance I think Man made Religion's motto is embrace ignorance.

Monkeyboy,

Here's my interpretation on the purpose of the videos. The atheists ask legitimate questions based on the text. However, based upon the myriad of Christian denominations there's a low likelihood of getting the same answer. Personally, I think many Christians answer the questions to confirm to their own prejudices, but the atheists essentially do the same. Their questions and rebuttals are based on their own moral prejudices. For instance, in the video they asked why would a loving god tell Abraham to kill his son. Obviously, both sides aren't going to buckle, so I believe the purpose of the series is for the makers to gain attention by baiting their guests into fiery responses. I didn't pull out anything remotely informative from the video. I appreciate atheists that tolerantly agree to disagree.

Why don't they have more qualified biblical scholars on the show, someone who dedicates their life to reading what the text actually says?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Hey Iam not angry the only poster who seems angry here is you, with your thinly veiled threats etc.
If you don't like it don't read it and post here.
Also you have proven nothing, neither have I but I have not claimed to provide any evidence of any sort to do with anything, but you say you have proven our worldview to be wrong? eh what planet are you on?.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

It is the context of which you use the term...mark my words my friend you will reap what you sow...yup still sounds like a threat.

Well, I appreciate you defining MY context for me, that makes posting so much easier. You can follow me around and tell everyone what I meant to say. Let me simplify for you:

If you sow hatred, lies, vitriol, anger, or maliciousness you will reap it in return. if you sow love, compassion, mercy and forgiveness you will reap the same.

Oh and also you berate someone in a post here for not watching your Vids but then admit that you did not watch my OP vid's.
Pfffttt.

Did I actually say I didn't watch it? Nope, I did. I said "I don't need to watch it to.."

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Hey Iam not angry the only poster who seems angry here is you, with your thinly veiled threats etc.
If you don't like it don't read it and post here.
Also you have proven nothing, neither have I but I have not claimed to provide any evidence of any sort to do with anything, but you say you have proven our worldview to be wrong? eh what planet are you on?.

Wow, where did reading comprehension go in this country?? I never said you were angry, that was an EXAMPLE for illustrative purposes. Hyperbole if you will. Goodness sakes...

I think you need to look up the definition of anger. And then look up the definition of "earnest" and "contention" and hopefully you'll see what the difference is.

And I'm not insulting you, I can if you'd like to see the difference. Perhaps you're irrationally sensitive?

reply to post by CaptainNemo


Good post and I agree with you, no one is going to agree if you have two sides unwilling to compromise.
It could have been an atheist v a muslim/hindu etc but it was Christians and my point of the OP is to see how supposed decent Christian people when stumped resort to threats. (like some here).

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by CaptainNemo

 

Good post and I agree with you, no one is going to agree if you have two sides unwilling to compromise.
It could have been an atheist v a muslim/hindu etc but it was Christians and my point of the OP is to see how supposed decent Christian people when stumped resort to threats. (like some here).

I'm neither stumped, nor threatening you.

So next time I hear someone say "Karma is a bitch" I can punch them in the face? I mean, after-all, they're threatening me!!!!

Perhaps you should alert the mods? Threatening other members is a violation of the T&C here. That kind chicanery shouldn't go unpunished.

You should change the title of the thread to "When Christians Attack!" It's more reality-showish that way.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by 547000
You would get angry to if people condescend to you, insult the love of your life, and then attack strawmen of your point of view.

Ahhhhh - - the persecuted Christian.

Funny - - how they can sure dish it out though.

You don't seem to have a problem dishing it out either

.

Tit for tat.

Yeah - - but I've been Christian. I thought the same thing when I was Christian.

Have you been Atheist?

Originally posted by OldCorp
You should change the title of the thread to "When Christians Attack!" It's more reality-showish that way.

Are you sure?

You really want him to start a thread attacking Christians with the title: "When Christians Attack"?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by Iason321

 

Still sounds like a threat to me......
Accept Jesus or your afterlife will not be good.

Is this a threat?:

'Hunny, listen to mommy, if you play in the street you'll be hit by a bus."


I thought that would be a stern warning from someone who loves you and doesn't want to see you perish.

What if a person leads a good life but never accepts Jesus. Should they be punished?

reply to post by buster2010

What if a person leads a good life but never accepts Jesus. Should they be punished?

Paul details the predicament of the "moral man" in Romans chapter 2.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Hold that thought..

We're still debating whether or not we need to be rational here.

We'll get back to you when there is a consensus either way.

Red herring.

Since you said it so eloquently, I'll wait.

reply to post by novastrike81


Fair enough. I wasn't making an argument to you btw, I was being flippant. Okay, since you're so patient..

In regards to Jesus and the afterlife, why can't we all just cease to exist? Why is it Heaven, or Hell?

In regards to Jesus and the afterlife there is no "false dichotomy", He only taught two alternatives for the afterlife. And "cease to exist" wasn't one of them. Now, if you think Jesus was teaching a false dichotomy then you can address that to Him in prayer.

Be prepared to be a lot more patient with Him that you are to me though, sometimes He doesn't get back right away, that whole Sovereign God of the Universe thingie.

Its too bad those Christians don't realize they are wrong also about most of their beliefs, cause they really don't follow what Scripture says, but their own doctrine.

But theres no reason to prove to anybody that our Creator Yahuwah exists, our faith is not based on evidence, even if someone was raised from the dead and told everyone there is a hell and torment and fire, people still wouldn't believe him. Like the account of the rich man and the begger in Luke. Al'azar is Lazarus in the KJV.

Theres no reason to prove to anyone a Creator or afterlife or anything of that sort if they already made up their mind before. You can't convert someone from not believing to believing, the book of life has already been written, you can't change it. Only those who are already chosen, who have fallen off the path can be 'converted back' to what they were doing before. You can't change someones original choice they made, its engrained in them forever.

Luke 16:19 “But there was a certain rich man who used to dress in purple and fine linen and lived luxuriously every day.
16:20 “And there was a certain beggar named Alʽazar, being covered with sores, who was placed at his gate,
16:21 and longing to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Indeed, even the dogs came and licked his sores.
16:22 “And it came to be that the beggar died, and was carried by the messengers to the bosom of Aḇraham. And the rich man also died and was buried.
16:23 “And while suffering tortures in the grave, having lifted up his eyes, he saw Aḇraham far away, and Alʽazar in his bosom.
16:24 “And crying out he said, ‘Father Aḇraham, have compassion on me, and send Alʽazar to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am suffering in this flame.’
16:25 “But Aḇraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your life you received your good, and likewise Alʽazar the evil, but now he is comforted and you are suffering.
16:26 ‘And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set, so that those who wish to pass from here to you are unable, nor do those from there pass to us.’
16:27 “And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you would send him to my father’s house,
16:28 for I have five brothers, let him warn them, lest they also come to this place of torture.’
16:29 “Aḇraham said to him, ‘They have Mosheh and the prophets, let them hear them.’
16:30 “And he said, ‘No, father Aḇraham, but if someone from the dead goes to them, they shall repent.’
16:31 “But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Mosheh and the prophets, neither would they be persuaded even if one should rise from the dead.’ ”

reply to post by NOTurTypical


First off,, your book tells you not to be so Judgemental,, it seems.....

Verses 1-3 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2 - But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3 - And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?

Secondly,, seems as if Paul in his Creation of Paulanity,, admits that people will not gain anything by Faith alone,, but also will be judged by their deeds,,, Opposite of what most Protestants say I believe...

Verses 4-11 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? . 5 - But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 - who "will render to each one according to his deeds": 7 - eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 - but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness; indignation and wrath, 9 - tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 - but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 - For there is no partiality with God

And here it seems to me that Paul is admitting the fact that,, those who have the "Law'' in their hearts and by their conscious Keep said Laws,, will get a ticket into the company of the God,,, which means by extension ... Jesus is NOT the One and Only Way........ hmmmm....

Verses 12 -16 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 - (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 - for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 - who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 - in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

As you can see,,, we can read these writings of Paul and come up with multiple meanings...
Paul was an enigmatic man,,, obviously hated women,,, had that Thorn in his side issue going on,,, and much more. Personally when i was christian,, I saw this as one of the many faulty bricks in the castle of Christiandom. So I personally was more interested in what Jesus said,,, red letter edition.
Regardless,, Christianity has good and bad,, like any thing here on Earth,, I am not above knowing that,, I just think Overall,, the history of the 'church' has shown itself to be failing. At times down right evil. This can not be white washed.
These Religions that give license to Damn NonBelievers to Hell are a problem of Modern Mankind.
Most of us think that a bunch of Semites from ancient Mesopotamia don't have much to do with us,,,in our Modern world. They were Tribal and many times violent barbarians no better that Bushman and their witchdoctors. The Elevation to the standard they are held to today is a fluke of History. Given a few minor differences in the course of Events and we would all be arguing about Mithra and the Cult he started,,,,,
At Least Christians got to take Mithra's Birthday to Celebrate..... Merry Mithramas!!

Personally I think we as a Human Race have been Hoaxed.
Alien Intervention seems to be closer to the Truth about the Bible and Quran than what is told in fairy tale fashion regarding the past and its impact and meaning for Modern humans...
So,,, been there,, done that,,, am not impressed much with Paul and his views on my soul.
When I visited Patmos where John had his "Revalation" it was one of the most evil feeling places I have ever been,,, and I have been in some Scary places. Christianity has failed...
You should have listened to what Jesus said,,, The Kingdom of Heaven is Within,,, and developed on that a bit more...

reply to post by Seektruthalways1



Damn Predestination Sucks Ass.

So much for Free Will..
God already made up his mind,,, your screwed,, so no worries

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Gotta love those biblical archeaologists. The sad thing is, even with all that historical evidence attesting to the truth of the bible, people will somehow still find a way to stop up their ears with fingers and sing "lalalalala i am not listening" when the evidence is unearthed and brought to light.

Even an atheist came to Christ when faced with the truth right there in his hands and in front of his eyes. I guess thats what it will take for many, should those many be lucky enough and counted worthy enough to see with their eyes.

Thankfully satellite imagery and ground penetrating radar has been developed, they both go a long way to helping unearth these long buried secrets. God's hand working in the modern times everyday and people think miracles do not still happen .

reply to post by EarthCitizen23

First off,, your book tells you not to be so Judgemental,, it seems.....

Stop.

Judgment is NOT the same as "discernment." We're supposed to have discernment. Christ also told us to NOT judge on appearance, but make "righteous judgments". Are we discerning someone needs some food, or some clothes, or $20? Can we see the pain and hurt in their eyes when we ask how their doing and they say "I'm fine", but you can clearly see they are dying inside?

We're never to judge and condemn, but we are to judge and exhort to holiness. With that said, that's towards other Christians, not the unbelieving world. I don't think I've ever told someone they are "going to Hell". I can't see the future, only God can do that. i have NO CLUE what a person may choose to do with Christ before they pass on to the afterlife.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
reply to post by Seektruthalways1

 

Damn Predestination Sucks Ass.

So much for Free Will..
God already made up his mind,,, your screwed,, so no worries

Come on, Predestination is the easiest of the T.U.L.I.P. doctrines of Calvinism to debunk.