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Originally posted by Alien Abduct
So apparently you have done some research for yourself of which the results refute these claims? Perhaps you could post your findings that show how this could have been done by primitive humans?

-Alien

Actually this is a good place to start. If one spends all their time on fringe theory sites one kind of gets lost in all the bunk that is preached.

If you go to this site and after looking at it all still think man could not have done ANY of it without help I will respect your choice, but I would think our debate is at a dead end. If you look at the site and think man could have done a little, some, half or most all by himself then I would need to ask the question why not ALL?

Extreme Masonry

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

I'm not gonna convince anyone of anything. Go find the truth for yourself. The only thing I can offer you is a lullaby to put you back to sleep.

Ah the sheeple argument...was waiting for that...and you didn't disappoint me, thanks.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Phage

So the Romans had lasers and levitation? How else could they have cut granite and lifted monoliths?

I agree....

We have solid proof that ancient man could cut, move and build massive rock structures all over the world across a very large span of time. Many of these places show evidence of different stages of the process, such as the monster monolith I posted that cracked in the cutting and was discarded, but it does show they were 80% done with cutting and it is obvious they were planning on moving it and upright it, or they would have never attempted to cut it in the first place.

Now we go to South America where there is great stone work too, but this must have been alien work....I would bet if the pesky Spaniards didn't destroy 1000s of giant plates that were used to record on we might have a step by step process in hand.

While I'm usually the last to jump to "race" as an issue in such things, there has always seemed to me that there is this undercurrent of racism or culturalism applied to the New World cultures.

Romans? Sure they could do it cuz they're Europeans. Greeks, yeah OK... but not those little brown people. They had to have alien help (or Atlantis tech support or some pre-columbiam outside influence).

I've even always suspected those claims that the great cultures in Central and South America had myths about "white" gods coming to do godly things with/to them as being planted by the Spaniards (or Portugese or whomever when they couldn't accept that those little heathens could reach the heights of civilization they obviously did. I mean, they couldn't destroy all the temples and cities like they did most of the records and "books." Funny how just about the only records that "survived" were the "white god" myths, no?

Originally posted by bottleslingguy

right and it's still attached at the bottom. How do you remove it from the trench? we wouldn't/couldn't even do it that way today

I haven't been to that site, but maybe the reason it cracked is because they had already cut half of the bottom and that caused the weight of it to crack a long a weak fault point.

The proof is they did cut and shape 3 sides and you are saying they could not cut the fourth side?

Once it was freed they would just need to cut a nice smooth sloped ramp in the rock...do you think they would be only able to just lift it out...

Originally posted by 35Foxtrot

While I'm usually the last to jump to "race" as an issue in such things, there has always seemed to me that there is this undercurrent of racism or culturalism applied to the New World cultures.

Romans? Sure they could do it cuz they're Europeans. Greeks, yeah OK... but not those little brown people. They had to have alien help (or Atlantis tech support or some pre-columbiam outside influence).

I've even always suspected those claims that the great cultures in Central and South America had myths about "white" gods coming to do godly things with/to them as being planted by the Spaniards (or Portugese or whomever when they couldn't accept that those little heathens could reach the heights of civilization they obviously did. I mean, they couldn't destroy all the temples and cities like they did most of the records and "books." Funny how just about the only records that "survived" were the "white god" myths, no?

I agree with you.

The only reason why the Romans could do it is because they were a conquering nation and that was the fastest way in that era for knowledge to exchange hands. In other words the Romans didn't invent it they most likely took it and used it.


But it is funny how these ancients seemed to be some superior white race... It would be interesting to see where the root of this came from...

Originally posted by Alien Abduct
So apparently you have done some research for yourself of which the results refute these claims? Perhaps you could post your findings that show how this could have been done by primitive humans?

-Alien

They were not "primitive"; that is a lie perpetuated by the ancient alien proponents.

Since when does "less advanced", or even "primitive" equate to stupid?

There is evidence to spare, if one should care to bother looking, that will provide all the necessary proof that ancient man was more than capable of building these monoliths.

Rome built aqueducts. Greece built large temples. The Egyptians built, as did the Aztecs, pyramids. All with primitive(?) tools.

Man is a thinking creature. Imaginative. Capable of, when it suits him, of thinking outside the box so as to develop a solution to a particular problem... Whatever that problem may be...

Critters wanting to get into your cave, and eat you? Some smart observant cave dweller saw that things on fire tended to scare critters away... Hmm... Maybe if we used that, we could keep Mr. Cave bear out of our home...

...and on down through the ages it went. Solutions developed for a particular problem because one, or more, person(s) capable of thinking outside the box had the native intelligence to see a way to solve it. The King/God wants a temple/tomb to glorify himself? Here's how...

Oddly enough? No recourse to aliens required...

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When they say primitive...they, in reality, are saying "stupid"... At least that's how I translate it...

Seriously? We know exactly how the Parthenon was built, the tools used and everything. Heck, we even have the instruction manual, lol. Just because you don't know something doesn't mean that anyone with even a passing interest in ancient culture doesn't know it too.

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Sorry this is a fairly belated response to your post, however what you are saying is not true at all.

www.smithsonianmag.com...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by bottleslingguy

 

we're talking way earlier than Romans

So the Romans had lasers and levitation? How else could they have cut granite and lifted monoliths?

Here Phage, some alien tech to cut granite. This seems pretty do-able for ancient man.


Look at those alien like right angles.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
But it is funny how these ancients seemed to be some superior white race... It would be interesting to see where the root of this came from...

It has struck me more than once that much of this sort of discussion seems to come down to 'brown people couldn't do it'. 18th and 19th century explanation of American Mississippian culture specialises in this kind of assertion. Is there then a racist element to the 'ancient alien' thesis? I believe that...unconsciously and inadvertently...perhaps there is.

I will not debate this as it is a mere observation, and an uncomfortable one at that. But I can't help but note that nobody doubts that (white) humans built the great medieval cathedrals of Europe.

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if the shoe fits...

reply to post by Shadow Herder


although that video is really cool the result is nothing close to what is found at PP. and I wouldn't consider that very primitive technology anyway. it takes a whole infrastructure of highly mechanized machinery to actually do what those guys were doing with that rock splitter. as a matter of fact in one of Sitchen's books they talk about machines they used with names like rock melter and rock crusher so they did use technology. also most gods have some kind of weapon or tools in which to do things. why would a god have to make tools?

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
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if the shoe fits...

It doesn't fit at all sorry to say....

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
It has struck me more than once that much of this sort of discussion seems to come down to 'brown people couldn't do it'. 18th and 19th century explanation of American Mississippian culture specialises in this kind of assertion. Is there then a racist element to the 'ancient alien' thesis?

I will not debate this as it is a mere observation, and an uncomfortable one at that. But I can't help but note that nobody doubts that (white) humans built the great medieval cathedrals of Europe.

I will happily debate it. The certainly a racist element to the ancient alien beliefs. They do not question (for the most part) the achievements of European cultures; they question Baalbek, but because they think of it as Middle Eastern, not Roman construction (which it is). If they accepted it as Roman, they would not question it because (in their minds) whites are capable of feats the darker-skinned people are not. They are stuck in the mythology that North American cultures was a primitive stone-age culture before the coming of Europeans; therefore, the ancient alien proponents cannot accept these cultures, every bit as advanced as the contemporaneous European cultures, were capable of the feats they accomplished.

The ancient astronaut proponents are absolutely, and abashedly, racist.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
But it is funny how these ancients seemed to be some superior white race... It would be interesting to see where the root of this came from...

so what? they are the reason there ARE "races" to begin with. I don't see anyone claiming superiority over anyone except them over us. and there's really nothing we can do about that. they do seem to have compassion for us by helping our civilization now and then. Hopefully that's what will happen this Dec. maybe we had better settle these differences we always fight about and use to divide one another before they arrive or else they may not waste their time and just allow us to kill ourselves.

If they distributed zero-point energy machines all around the world who cares what race they are? it would solve so many problems over night. Jobs would be created in the manufacturing of all the new machines we would have access to. It would be the answer to all our problems not to say there may be some new ones but wtf? our current path is not sustainable and it contributes to worldwide suffering and damage to the environment. Hopefully the bearded ones with the new technology will also give us ways to clean up the mess after we shut off all the oil, coal, hydro, nukes, and everything prior. I just hope they don't make me start sawing blocks of diorite with ropes, sand and tea leaves.

Originally posted by bottleslingguy

so what? they are the reason there ARE "races" to begin with. I don't see anyone claiming superiority over anyone except them over us. and there's really nothing we can do about that. they do seem to have compassion for us by helping our civilization now and then. Hopefully that's what will happen this Dec. maybe we had better settle these differences we always fight about and use to divide one another before they arrive or else they may not waste their time and just allow us to kill ourselves.

Ye with little faith in your race...

Why is it man cannot build great things all by himself, and why can't man evolve without the help of aliens? The deal is we don't need aliens....and you might as well say faries for that holds as much proof...

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By the way, HP Lovecraft invented the ancient astronaut belief, though inadvertently.

The Cult of Alien Gods: H.P. Lovecraft and Extraterrestial Pop Culture

the last time I read your post on this, I absolutely feel you missed the point. In the NASA connection, what was shown is not any alien connection, but the fact that Werner Von Braun, was the heart, mind and soul of NASA. Without him, and the German connection ... NASA is nothing but a lost cause.

The same thing here, you are absolutely on the wrong track.

Now, don't get me wrong, I am not saying, that there absolutely is no Alien connection, or that Aliens do not exist. I am merely saying, that this is the very LAST explanation you should look for.

Why?

Because searching for an alien connection, is nothing less of searching for God. Instead of rational thinking, you go to a "higher" power, and as you've given up hope for a spiritual God, you seek to replace him with an alien.

Now, understand that nothing says there is no God. Nor is there anything that says that there are no Aliens, but the search for one, is childish ... it's totally bereft of any rational thought, in fact, it is the abandonment of rational thought. Replacing that thought, with the need of not having to think at all.

However, you are not alone in not thinking rationally ... a lot of scientists do the same. All of which, has its origin in religion ... the need to not think, but believe, blindly.

Wether aliens or god exists, is not of our immediate concerns ... nor are they the first explanation of these events. These blocks, were not several tons, when they were moved in ancient times. These plateus were built, before they were plateus ... you are living on a planet that is ever changing, it is not a constant, and the catastrophies in the past, all have a rational explanation, are not due to aliens or the intervention of god. But simply the earth itself ...

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by bottleslingguy

 

we're talking way earlier than Romans

So the Romans had lasers and levitation? How else could they have cut granite and lifted monoliths?

Here Phage, some alien tech to cut granite. This seems pretty do-able for ancient man.

First of all, YES and NO.

Both of you are missing a point, you are both as wrong as the "god" searchers. Maybe not AS wrong, but still wrong.

The point of both of your thoughts, is that you are using modern thought and reasoning, for doing these things. both of which, both Romans, and the Aliens lacked.

A question both of you should ask yourselves, why didn't the Romans use monoliths to build bridges, instead of small rocks?

Why use monoliths only in certain places, and not others?

Why did they stop doing it, and end up being totally unable to build anything ... and almost "died out"?

Why did we "jump" to modern times.

All of these questions you are ignoring, and the God searchers are searching for the answers to by trying to use one rational thought, and that thought is that MAN is not smarter than ancient man.

The answer is so obvious, that you are in just as much denial, as the religious ones ...

The environment changed ... the earth changed.