Satan Is Not A Real Being

Originally posted by Syyth007
reply to post by Starchild23

 

There are also Jewish historians from that time and area that should at least MENTION Jesus, but, for some reason, they don't even mention him in passing.

Like Philo-Judaeus (20 BC - 50 AD) who was in/near Jerusalem during the time of Jesus.. and of course , Pliny the Elder - I would say the far majority of historical accounts from that time and area make no mention of Jesus, then do.

maybe thats because they paid the romans to execute him , funny how the qu'ran mentions him though

reply to post by repeatoffender


God will intervene on behalf of his children when necessary. Jewish and Non-Jews who believe in Jesus Christ. Does he always intervene? No. Can he / will he when he sees necessary? Yup.

He has no choice. If Satan is a spiritual being of high authority , though evil , he attempts to deny God's plan. Sometimes God has to intervene to deny Satan or use what was meant for Evil for good.

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by repeatoffender

 

God will intervene on behalf of his children when necessary. Jewish and Non-Jews who believe in Jesus Christ. Does he always intervene? No. Can he / will he when he sees necessary? Yup.

I believe the entity we call "God" is under His/Her/Its own strict order to not interfere with the process of evolution unless absolutely necessary.

Originally posted by Azadok
reply to post by Starchild23

 

Either you do not understand how to read or you don't believe in the bible so you justify this as best you can in your mind , your conclusions are all wrong .

You are welcome to your opinions, of course.

Don't judge me for what I believe, when you can barely prove your own.

reply to post by Starchild23


Post recanted , changing subject.

reply to post by Starchild23



He didn't exist dude

reply to post by FlyersFan


I find your profound religious experiences cute, but inconclusive.

They are biased, and tainted by human perception and desire for hope.

reply to post by Starchild23


Hope / Faith is all you got.

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

1 Peter 1:8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy,


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I do not exactly have an inexpressible Joy , but i do have peace and patients , my faith is grounded and it will not be broken. I have more of a "longing" to know God on a personal level and for my faith to grow.

If God is not there then i lose nothing. If he is , and if i do not believe ... i lose everything.

reply to post by milkyway12

If God is not there , then i lose nothing. If he is , and i do not believe ... i lose everything.

Exactly why I do not support Christianity.

The Creator would not destroy a man simply for not believing in him. That's tyrannical. I refuse to worship, bow to or even acknowledge such a being.

reply to post by Starchild23


Then that is rebellion to the Lord your God. You have rebelled against him with those words. If you do not wish to take part in your God then there is a place for those who do not want to be with God.

God doesnt send you there , your rebellion against him , your sin sends you there. He gave you a way out ... you can accept him or deny him.

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You send yourself there. Such as when breaking the law. You send your self to prison for knowingly breaking the law .... if you havent willingly broken the law , you wouldnt be there. You did it to yourself.

However , God gave you a way out no matter your sin. Even hitler could have been forgiven if he accepted Jesus. There is no sin the blood of Christ has not forgiven except the denial of the holy spirit (salvation).

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Balkan

 

I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying.

Can you elaborate some more?

I thought I was pretty clear. Man, as a 'thinking' beast, cannot make sense of our reality. As the apex predator we have a large sense of entitlement. As entitled creatures who think we are very special, and death is too scary to contemplate, so we create the 'afterlife' and we inhabit it with 'spirits' and 'God'(s), mostly all made in our image, and mostly having human characteristics (hard to imagine a God-like being who has nothing in common with nature or ourselves, isn't it? Go ahead... try to create in your imagination a God-like being who is beyond humankind; who looks and appears and acts and thinks like nothing that can be found here on Earth. Good luck. Our imagination is indeed limited, which is why our Gods are usually animal/nature/Manlike beings.).

There are still places in the world where when a owl hoots at midnight they will burn people for being witches. Why? Because there are many, many people out there who, when faced with the unknown, will come up with full blown BS to explain something away. Remember the guy who tried to tell the church the world was round?

Also, directed towards someone elses question: why on earth would anyone wonder why we have leaders? We are social animals who invest everything in our lives towards social value. We will always have leaders, whether they be the guy leading everyone in laughs at the party, all the way to the world/nation leaders. It is absolute normal, natural behavior for any group of humans to always have a leader. We even created the ultimate leader: God, and no surprise he is a MAN, and has a mans ego. What do we call him? The FATHER. And he owns everything, of course!

Religions attempt to take the 'nature' out of us. It tries to make us special, entitled, seperate from the natural world. But it doesn't work and it has never worked. We are what we are. Religions only confuses us a species that much more, they blind us from the reality of what we are and our place in the world around us.

Of course, Satan isn't a real being. He's a boogyman meant to scare children and sheep into joining the church. Compassionate, loving beings don't throw children in fire, give evil telepathically-gifted created reign over us, they don't demand we grovel before them like lowly serfs, they don't wipe out millions of people and send them to hell because their first soul experiment failed. Religion is completely about fear and control. Satan is religion's scapegoat, nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by morningeagle
So, yes I agree. There is no physical or spiritual being called Satan, he doesn't exist outside of one's own mind. The only physical representation we have to Satan is the planet Saturn.

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. Please tell me why you say that about the physical representation of Satan being the planet Saturn. How did you draw this conclusion? I've been thinking there was some sort of relation, but I've never heard anyone else say that before.
And I would agree, but I've met Satan. Although you COULD still be right, but you could be wrong, too. The thing is, it was like someone else said, when I met him he had his own physical traits, his own what you would call "supernatural" traits, and he was very obviously not human. If it was purely a spiritual thing, I wouldn't see how it would be possible for his DNA to completely have changed if it was simple that he was "Satan" in a completely spiritual sense. But then again, I discussed this with one of my friends, and he expressed his answering theory by talking about viruses, and how they could get into cells and change their DNA to fit their purposes.
Anyways, I believe that the spiritual aspect of us all having an inner Satan is true, but I just don't know yet how this corresponds with the fact that he seems to be a physical entity as well.

I think you are wrong. Satan ( or Ahriman) isnt the same as Luzifer. At all.
You say Satan isn´t a physical beeing , thats right, he is, as other beeings of the hierarchies, a spiritual beeing.
But NOT just a concept, his ( and Luzifer´s) beeings a very real in our materialistic, technic and scientific global world.

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by Starchild23

 

If God is not there then i lose nothing. If he is , and if i do not believe ... i lose everything.

edit on 18-3-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

If you're beliefs aren't the truth, you lost many things. You lost the ability to think for yourself. You lost the ability to have an opinion free of others bias. You walked thru life with blinders on and everything you saw and processed was seen thru a distorted lense. You basically became a sheep who got led around by the nose by other people who told you what the 'truth' was.

And how did you come by religion? If you were indoctrinated as a child (brainwashing, plain and simple), then you had NO choice whatsoever. Does God want sheep who don't think for themselves? Who never question anything in their own hearts? I guess not. It's a cut and dry kind of thing for you people. Heaven or hell. You're basically just slaves to a megalomaniac who demands you fear and grovel before 'Him'. But he loves you...

reply to post by rickyrrr

but not every so called "driven" persons have used drugs. what drives a person ? what is this active "part" ?

reply to post by repeatoffender


Thats a very powerful spirit being. There are a multitude of them on this planet. Each country has one appointed over it. These are who illuminati show allegiance to and serve. They are normally invisible, but can appear in our form or other forms. ie aliens, bigfoot, ghosts,people, fallen angels, angels of light,strange animals, etc.
Someone nearby was doing some satan worship a few years back, and they plagued my home and the next door neighbors home as well. We could feel their presence, hear them speak, as could our pittbulls. They freaked everybody out. They turned on lights, pushed my son as he walked down the stairs, carried on a conversation in the nextdoor neighbors front room, but the most amazing thing of all was when we had a guest over. He was downstairs preparing for bed and heard someone speak(Im not going to tell you what it said)The guest thought it was one of us goofing off, and finally looked around the corner into the family room. There was a guy standing here(4' from where I now sit) The guy looked human, and alot like us, except that his skin was glowing. He stared back at our guest then faded and disappeared. Our guest was petrified with fear, palpitations, couldnt speak. He and my sons left the house ( these are tough adults) and my sons wouldnt return for over 2 weeks. The nextdoor neighbors moved out. I was here alone with my pittbulls, and all three of us were on edge for a long time. One of them walked all the way around my bed one night and my pitt went to full alert. I flew out of bed, and hit the lights. No one there.
These things Ive told you are all true, and many people witnessed these things. You would believe beyond a doubt if you were here in this home 2-3 years ago. It has subsided now, and Im glad.

reply to post by Balkan


Oh, little "man" -- your thirsty attempts to "Balkanize" the Faith with hot air only serves to blow the seed into taking root into unprecedented territory.

Hubristic; vain; hungered: so shallow and base is your spot in the lowlands that such is the condescension of fools looked upon as pillars of wisdom in lofty towers.

Blinded, are we? You are then deaf, dumb and mute since you hear not the whispers of the subtle breeze which flows so communicatively through and amongst the unfurled branches and leaves of the Tree of Life.

Slaves, you say? Hypocrite! What ignominy! The earth-bound tells the sky-destined his worth is his weight in gold?!

Practice what you preach and discover that it is you who has been duped into comfortable indifference.
No mirror will then refract nor will it even reflect the faintest source of light of your own graven image despite every proud attempt at self-conciliation.

reply to post by visitedbythem

Each country has one appointed over it.

do you think, that has something to do with language or tongue ?

Originally posted by Sinny
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

So Satan is the presence of pure Evil.....right....and is God a presence or a being??

Tell me more about these spirits

Why? You are already convinced and will not otherwise change your mind. Your obvious sarcasm should not be an open invitation (though I have not read this thread in its entirety).