Up to 20 US troops behind Kandahar bloodbath - Afghan probe

reply to post by KAIARAHI


Why do i need to wake up, because i questioned them stating that 1 soldier couldn't have killed 16 people, 11 in the same house, you need to wake up, bro, if you dont think 1 person could do that

in the lastest reports, 'western military officials' say that the helos were out to pick up the wounded and that american troops were out looking for the guy once they realized he was gone. AND, ...AND...the afgans state only that they are 'convinced' or 'believe' that 1 soldier cannot kill so many people in 2 different villages'

soldier leaves base..after a certain time his absence is noticed,helos called in, troops head out, logicaly ( i think) towards nearby villages. in a village, sparadic gunfire, yelling starts. how long, who knows. civillians stay hidden, gunfire comes and goes for a bit, (soldiers leaves heads to other village) now troops arrive at first village, very tense situation since gunfire had been heard in area,yelling of orders, searching and setting up a perimeter, now civilians start to emerge and see the dead and wounded and the troops, equating the troops with the killing..repeat at next village.......just a thought

who do you believe?..the person that has everthing to lose or the person that has nothing to lose?? im sure there is much much more to this story....

www.activistpost.com... roops.html

Because you can't imagine that one guy with a rifle could kill 9 sleeping children in one location?

How long do you think that would take exactly?

Originally posted by purplemer
The cold blooded death of women and children by trained professional soldiers should not happen.

I agree, but how come when the Taliban murder women and children, you don't hear any moral outrage here on ATS about it?

Originally posted by signal2noise

Originally posted by purplemer
The cold blooded death of women and children by trained professional soldiers should not happen.

I agree, but how come when the Taliban murder women and children, you don't hear any moral outrage here on ATS about it?

Women and children (and the poor) are considered cultural property. This makes attrocities commited in the name of culture not-your-business.

Originally posted by signal2noise

Originally posted by purplemer
The cold blooded death of women and children by trained professional soldiers should not happen.

I agree, but how come when the Taliban murder women and children, you don't hear any moral outrage here on ATS about it?

The taliban operate in their own country.. It is the US that has invaded their country..

Originally posted by purplemer

Originally posted by signal2noise

Originally posted by purplemer
The cold blooded death of women and children by trained professional soldiers should not happen.

I agree, but how come when the Taliban murder women and children, you don't hear any moral outrage here on ATS about it?

The taliban operate in their own country.. It is the US that has invaded their country..

Ah, so according to you, it's OK if the Taliban schwack their own women and children. You know, since it's their own country and all.

reply to post by GLaDOS

The media in Asia have this to say " if the soldier in question was deranged he would have killed 16 Americans instead of Afgans". That kinda sums it up. It brings up memories of the incident when a helicopter gunship fire upon and killed many Pakistani soldiers in a border post not so long ago. Soldiers are losing it fighting in so many wars..I bet they'd shoot at their own shadows. Time to pack up and call it a day.

reply to post by slanteye


Does this logic apply to all the problems that China was having with men walking into daycares and schools and shooting children? "if he really was having a mental break, he would have chosen some other target instead."

reply to post by signal2noise

Ah, so according to you, it's OK if the Taliban schwack their own women and children. You know, since it's their own country and all

What is the alernative... Go and bomb them back into the stone age with illegal wars,, just like Iraq and Afganistan and kill a million or so civilians..

If you stop and think about it hid did not use a full clip of ammo, now how far apart are the villages? and how many clips of ammo did he have, could one person do that? the answer is yes.

Originally posted by dragonridr
If this guy was mentally unstable they put him in the last place in the world he needed to be. Panjwai is a very hostile place at least when i visited down there. The Villages there talking about arent what we think of as villages. Let me explain they make there money tending pomegranate groves been doing it for 100s of years. Well each grove is tended by a family and each family is considered a village. So literally the mud hut across the street or the tent that was set up could be a separate village since which groves they worked decided which village they were in. Now for a little background This area is Taliban territory they aid and assist them. The reason us troops set up a camp there is because of hwy 1 runs right by there. And roadside bombs along hwy 1 can literally bring everything to a stop.The villagers were known to be hostile you didn't go into that area without full combat gear.The Canadians lost alot of people in that area they liked to get military personnel alone to kill them.

The villages haven't changed for 100s of years there is no running water no electricity.The mud houses have doors held together with what ever they could find. Hinges were often times wires or bent nails.When going through these villages the only sign of any technology is the AK 47s you would see as they tried to hide them shoving them under blankets as the patrol's would pass.I can see how someone who is mentally ill could easily see these people as hostile a enemy. Id have to say the anxiety level you feel walking through there is extreme to say the least. And keep in mind i was only there for 3 weeks and I hated every time we had to go out into the village i cant tell you how scary that place was. Now this was like 6 years ago but Im sure it hasn't changed since its been that way for 100s of years. I blame the military on this you dont put someone whos mentally ill in that area it just feeds into the paranoia and the delusions.

Thank you for your description of the villages. I don't know about everyone else, but it gave me some insight as to how things are over there, how things work, and why a house down the street is called a "village". They make it sound as if someone went from town to town, when in reality, from your description, it sounds more like it could have been a house to house kind of thing.

Originally posted by purplemer
What is the alernative... Go and bomb them back into the stone age with illegal wars,, just like Iraq and Afganistan and kill a million or so civilians..

And, once again, your reply really doesn't answer the question. For you, it's OK if Taliban kill women and children since it's their own country, right?

reply to post by signal2noise


I do not agree with the death penalty. Do you think its ok if I decide to occupy the US and kill millions of civilians.. Answer my question and I will be able to answer yours...

Originally posted by purplemer
I do not agree with the death penalty. Do you think its ok if I decide to occupy the US and kill millions of civilians.. Answer my question and I will be able to answer yours...

Love the deflection. Just love it!!

Death penalty? Uh, don't think this is about the death penalty.

US occupying A-stan? Don't think this is about that.

US killing millions of civilians? Source for that, please.

So, how about an answer. Simple yes or no. Is it OK for the taliban to murder their own women and children?

Originally posted by FFS4000


Why do i need to wake up, because i questioned them stating that 1 soldier couldn't have killed 16 people, 11 in the same house, you need to wake up, bro, if you dont think 1 person could do that

Agree...

For those "believing" it cant be done.

List of rampage killers

(Not included are school massacres, workplace killings, hate crimes or familicides, which form their own categories.)

reply to post by signal2noise

So, how about an answer. Simple yes or no. Is it OK for the taliban to murder their own women and children?

I can see that you are one of these people that can only see in terms of black and white.. So I will limit my answer for you even if it murders part of a truth.

Yes its ok for the taliban to murder there own people. Its no one elses dang business its their country and their culture... Let them sort their own problems out and knock the sanctimonious poop on the head..

They were told to do it.

reply to post by signal2noise


W

US killing millions of civilians? Source for that, please

Maybe you should try the Lancet Surveys papers.. In the only peer reviewed science of the death count in the Iraqi war. The second survey[2][3][4] published on 11 October 2006, estimated 654,965 and this was a conservative estimate. Now remember this is for 2006 and just for Ira.q. Afghanistan not inculded...Yes the total numbers dead are now over a million...

I am correct in my statement that the wars have killed between 1-2 million and dont bother arguing unless you provide some science to back you claim up.

Further for your information. Both the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq where illegal under internation law. Something the US thinks it is above. The Nazi's thought they were above the law to but they were not. Check out the Nuremberg trials...

reply to post by purplemer


And- this is where we see the problem with moral relativism. Wrong is wrong. If it is part of their culture for the taliban to kill their own women and children- then their culture is wrong and needs to change. Some things aren't worth preserving in the name of culture. Good riddance. I just think the US shouldn't be involved.