The Apollo 11 Moon Landing Site --Now Seen in Unprecedented Detail

reply to post by NuminousCosmos

If your local library hasn't been closed by budget cuts...

Sheesh.....where do you live??

I was in the D.C. suburbs for a time.....there a lot of libraries there....Alexandria, VA.....Arlington, VA.

In the Los Angeles metropolitan area, now.....still a LOT of libraries!!!

Closest to me are these in the Palos Verdes Library District

Three full libraries, in just a tiny, tiny portion of LA.....

I certainly would cry if such resources were dwindling, elsewhere. Especially in the USA. Now, more than ever, they are vitally needed.....because, and this is a sad thing to notice.....it seems (to me) that a great deal of the diminishing of knowledge, especially in the sciences (and just plain old common sense) can be seen in responses from....well, from Americans, here on ATS at least.....(not that we can know every nationality, every time....the spelling is usually a clue, though.....).


Hey, this is a movie that I thought was too "far" out there, when I first saw it (only about 5 years ago!!)....but, it is (seemingly) becoming more and more a possibility:

"Idiocracy"

Private Joe Bauers, the definition of "average American", is selected by the Pentagon to be the guinea pig for a top-secret hibernation program. Forgotten, he awakes 500 years in the future. He discovers a society so incredibly dumbed-down that he's easily the most intelligent person alive.

I thought, "500 years?? Nah.....we'll be way smarter then."

But, it seems to be happening, in the first decades of the 21st century....at least, in the USA.....

...how sad......

reply to post by ProudBird


Proudbird...

I grew up in Long Beach, in the Great State of California. I sure miss the downtown branch...pure magic as a child running through stacks of more books than I had ever seen. I used to shop at Acres of Books...where there was literally 1,000,000 tome lining it's orange crate shelves...I met Ray Bradbury there twice where he taught me the secret of life.

How I miss it all!

reply to post by Lionhearte


Jarrah White is a known liar and hoaxer. Not to mention that he is in this topic for the money. He has proven literally hundreds of times that he has no idea what he is talking about. So there's that...

reply to post by Lionhearte


I NEED TO JUMP IN HERE, TOO!!!

Jarrah White (or alternately, his YouTube screenname of "whitejarrah")....I mean, come on!!! Is he obvious, or what???

Jarrah White, the Aussie bloke who has made a sort of (short-lived) "career" on the heels, and tail-coats of the true "stars" of the "Apollo Hoax" BS!!!!

Yeah.....Jarrah White, the (completely self-proclaimed) so-called "Grandson of the Apollo Hoax" myth.....

Yeah......a total joke, that bloke.......beyond a joke, a total "wanker" (to use an Australian idiom) of the most coarse sense.....really, just detritus and garbage, at this point.......

(edit)...

AND I just have to add......I tell it as it is....no "sugar-coating"......so, deal with it.

Facts are facts.

Period.

End.

reply to post by ProudBird

Well, I do appreciate the information and correction as you're able to offer it. As it happens, I believe I had seen that in a History Channel documentary years ago when they were on one of their space themes for programming.

As it happens, Wikipedia is not the best source, but usually works as a piece of support and in this case, it seems to run pretty close to what I'd recalled. At least in how it's presented on this. In specific dates, I am wrong though and obviously I'm wrong about there having been a backup? Oh well.. Must have been confused with a movie. It happens.

(Self Snip the Rest......)

...Not taking the bait to another fight over nothing, Thanks anyway. Voicing an opinion, wild theory...or just mistake of memory is getting to be dangerous.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Of course....some might say that "Wikipedia" is not the best "source".....but of course, one may well feel free to "edit" Wiki, if one has better information, and if one can provide substantiation to that "Wiki Edit".......so, "Wiki" still has some cache'......feel free to post your own "edits:, if you feel a need to do so....there are many others who will check, and double-check, to verify..........

THINK about it....it is very similar (on "Wiki") to what occurs here on ATS!!

Here, on ATS....a thread is posted.....usually a claim of some sort is presented.....and, guess what??

That "claim" will be vetted. By the diverse community that IS 'ATS'....and this needs to happen, each time.

Originally posted by NuminousCosmos
reply to post by ProudBird

 

If your local library hasn't been closed by budget cuts...God forbid that we educate our children, or ourselves...but then, no one listens to the reality of history anyway.

What is the reality of history, and how and by whom is it recorded?

BTW: Who are the two men pictured in your avatar?
I know for sure that they are not the original Paul McCarthy and John Lennon!

Listen to the sound of the silence of the reality of history!

The Apollo Moon Missions, as presented to the public, were staged/hoaxed,
and filmed firmly within the bounds of planet earth!
The Moon Hoax.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Plenty of birdlike ATSers pretend to fly blindly though, for some strange reason!

Originally posted by JustBreathe11
Im not an expert in photography or the moon or anything to do with this subject but wouldn't this picture from the OP's link confirm that there were multiple light sources when the photo was taken. Wouldn't the shadows go in the same direction if the Sun was the only light source? Again not sure, I am just pointing out something obvious that caught my eye.

That logic works if the terrain is completly flat. Mythbusters showed that if the terrain was uneven the shadows would be not parallel.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

Jarrah White is a known liar and hoaxer. Not to mention that he is in this topic for the money. He has proven literally hundreds of times that he has no idea what he is talking about. So there's that...

Let people have a little listen to Jarrah. I highly doubt they will agree with you afterwards!

Jim Fetzer Interviews Jarrah White.

I think you will encounter an intelligent and courageous man, passionate about
the subject matter and dilligent in his research. Pretty convincing stuff, and but the
tip of the 'berg.

Are you one of the ATS birdmen who pretend to fly blindly, psykoOps?
Shurely Not!

Engage your brain good people..

The exhaustive, three-year search for the tapes that contained the original footage of the Apollo 11 moonwalk arrived at the plausible conclusion that they were probably destroyed during a period when NASA was erasing old magnetic tapes and reusing them to record satellite data. It turns out that new satellites had gone up and were producing a lot of data that needed to be recorded.

plausible conclusion? Really it sounds completely implausible, irrational and comical !!

www.dailygalaxy.com...

Now consider how ridiculous it is to even entertain the idea that the most valuable footage in the history of mankind recorded, ever.. was lost.. Footage that cost billions to attain and cost many lives.

"So I don't believe that the tapes exist today at all," says Lebar. "It was a hard thing to accept. But there was just an overwhelming amount of evidence that led us to believe that they just don't exist anymore. And you have to accept reality."

www.dailygalaxy.com...


We lost the tapes.. tough! Don't whine about it no big deal.

The pictures of the landing sites are either simple props sent on unmanned missions in recent years or doctored photos, this is not complicated to do. Is it any wonder NASA has placed restrictions on how close you can get to these items when we do eventually get to the moon?

We need to get passed this debate and start talking about how we can get to the moon for real.

Some links for you

apolloscam.bravehost.com...

This is site the best on the web www.aulis.com...

Originally posted by Sinny
reply to post by Lord Jules

 

Ill second that....can we get a recent picture of the flag left up there? That will prove or disprove it in all of 2 seconds lol.....anyone??

The position of equipment on the moon was documented/photographed on the surface this matches the LRO pictures of the landing sites what more do you want.

Originally posted by Lord Jules

Originally posted by paradox
reply to post by Lord Jules

 

Put a 5' tall flag in your front yard and then take a picture from 13 miles up.

Tell me how that goes for you.

And no, those are rover tracks.

but a 1' footprint can be seen clearly?

Really?

Actually its just a foot across, since it is buried in the ground it is about negative 2 inches or so. So a footprint buried two inches in the ground can be sen better than a five foot pole? Not quite believable.

edit on 14-3-2012 by Lord Jules because: (no reason given)

You are not seeing individual footprints/tracks but the difference in reflected light compared to the terrain around them, can you guys not think!!!!

"The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera snapped its best look yet of the Apollo 11 landing site on the moon. The image, which was released on March 7, 2012, even shows the remnants of Neil Armstrong...

Funny how this piece of text shows on the forum main page.

They...left Neil behind?

This image first posted by Jra shows the Apollo 17 landing site.




The top half is a still from the DAC film as they left the moon so was taken almost 40 years ago, the bottom half was taken by the LRO both match.

What more do you want.

It was claimed by the hoax believers that there would be no equipment there as it was supposed to be filmed on earth, but as soon as the equipment is shown phase 2 of their BS occurs.

So all landing sites are pictured all the equipment in locations documented by the pictures taken on the moons surface. You have the pixel resolution on LRO site so if you have either photoshop or the free photosoftware called GIMP you can use the softwares measure tool to check sizes and distances which you can check on the Apollo records then you can go and look for a new conspiracy

Originally posted by paradox
reply to post by Lord Jules

 

Put a 5' tall flag in your front yard and then take a picture from 13 miles up.

Tell me how that goes for you.

And no, those are rover tracks.

If you use the sat's we currently use now (that were launched in 2008) for geo mapping from 430 miles up (GeoEye, ect), it will go exceptionally well. The newest satellites could make out a baby's footprint in gravel from 390 miles up. At 13 miles up, you should be able to see every thread in the fabric of the flag on the moon. And every fray in every thread. And every strand of cotton that goes into every fray on every thread.

reply to post by stAtrill


Citation needed here, I believe you are mistaking photos taken from airplanes, not satellites. Show us a baby's foot in Tajikistan then, and then I will believe your satellite myth.

reply to post by ProudBird


"Apollo 18" did fly, in July of 1975, officially called the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project. Amazing how many people forget that historic flight.

They docked in orbit.

Originally posted by stAtrill

Originally posted by paradox
reply to post by Lord Jules

 

Put a 5' tall flag in your front yard and then take a picture from 13 miles up.

Tell me how that goes for you

And no, those are rover tracks.

If you use the sat's we currently use now (that were launched in 2008) for geo mapping from 430 miles up (GeoEye, ect), it will go exceptionally well. The newest satellites could make out a baby's footprint in gravel from 390 miles up. At 13 miles up, you should be able to see every thread in the fabric of the flag on the moon. And every fray in every thread. And every strand of cotton that goes into every fray on every thread.

edit on 15-3-2012 by stAtrill because: (no reason given)

I suggest you compare the optics used for the satellites that orbit the earth compared with the LRO and they still can't do what you claim that is a FACT! !!!!!

Originally posted by stAtrill

Originally posted by paradox
reply to post by Lord Jules

 

Put a 5' tall flag in your front yard and then take a picture from 13 miles up.

Tell me how that goes for you.

And no, those are rover tracks.

If you use the sat's we currently use now (that were launched in 2008) for geo mapping from 430 miles up (GeoEye, ect), it will go exceptionally well. The newest satellites could make out a baby's footprint in gravel from 390 miles up. At 13 miles up, you should be able to see every thread in the fabric of the flag on the moon. And every fray in every thread. And every strand of cotton that goes into every fray on every thread.

edit on 15-3-2012 by stAtrill because: (no reason given)

I don't think you even understand anything you just said here.

reply to post by bicnarok


Mowing human nature, I think the most likely explanation for all the moon landing controversy is that they landed, came back, THEN noticed they forgot to out film in the camera, and then did the Holloywood basement shoot to cover their asses, making it look as much like the real thing as possible.

Never ascribe to maliciousness that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.