Racial Profiling and A Heartbreaking Tragedy.

Originally posted by WhatAreThey

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Bottom line.
Zimmerman acted in self defense.
Trayver attacked zimmerman
after zimmerman got out of his truck
to check the street signs name, so he
could report it back to the 9 11 dispatch.
He was ambushed by tray and then
shot him. Zimmerman has bruises to prove
this and cuts. NEIGHBORS were right there
and dead men can not hit you. He had no time
to injure himself especially with the police
checking trays hands for zimmermans blood
and all the things they do..
Zimmerman is innocent. People saying
he is a murderer are clueless to the story
and are buying into the whole white on black
crime BS when the guy is latino anyways...
JURY WILL NEVER CONVICT THIS GUY
of first degree murder. No way to prove he pre-meditated
a murder before hand.. HE DOES NOT HAVE TO PROVE
THAT HE DID NOT MURDER HIM.

edit on 21-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)

I agree with that completely and it goes in line with what all the local people here are saying. Zimmerman is INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. There is no way that he is going to be proven guilty.

The racial bias around this case sickens me. Even one of the local radio stations that I usually think is pretty funny (it's main host is a black guy) turned in a bias typical black guy who thinks the world is against him and his race.

Don't get me wrong, as I'm not attacking you. But just for a moment, think about that "Biased Typical Black Guy" that you spoke of...and his outrage by what he hears in the MSM, Radio, WITNESSES and Universe forbid, THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

Now....if the shoe was on the other foot, given the same circumstances of another race (pick your choice), anyone would be "TYPICALLY Outraged" by what happened. Don't you agree?

ETA and on second thought

Scrap my open arms discussion to you. Your comment alone is what is wrong with America in general....labeling another race and their concern for what has happened in their community as "TYPICALLY BIASED" seriously....it's just sickening to say the least!!!!!!

Why is he (Radio DJ) now all of a sudden biased? He's black, the kid was black...someone black & unarmed was murdered (not to mention a CHILD with candy in his hands)...outside of his race, what bothers you about this DJ showing his concern for what has happened in his community?

Oh, never mind, don't even bother answering that I can tell ya' this though, whether you like it or not, JUSTICE WILL BE SREVED my friend....just wait and see how far that lame ass SELF DEFENSE gets Zimmerman. A moot point

Some may want to spin this in many ways they want to but here is the Smoking Gun analysis of what Zimmerman said. Decide for yourself if Zimmerman used a racist slur and hunted down and executed Trayvon Martin (You Tube clip from The Young Turks show).


SMH

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Bottom line.
Zimmerman acted in self defense.
Trayver attacked zimmerman
after zimmerman got out of his truck
to check the street signs name, so he
could report it back to the 9 11 dispatch.
He was ambushed by tray and then
shot him. Zimmerman has bruises to prove
this and cuts. NEIGHBORS were right there
and dead men can not hit you. He had no time
to injure himself especially with the police
checking trays hands for zimmermans blood
and all the things they do..
Zimmerman is innocent. People saying
he is a murderer are clueless to the story
and are buying into the whole white on black
crime BS when the guy is latino anyways...
JURY WILL NEVER CONVICT THIS GUY
of first degree murder. No way to prove he pre-meditated
a murder before hand.. HE DOES NOT HAVE TO PROVE
THAT HE DID NOT MURDER HIM.

edit on 21-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)

I beg to differ. Let me start by saying that MotherJones has a great article on this case that's been updated a number of times. I recommend it - motherjones.com...
As for the.... fascinating statements emerging from one of Popsmayhem's orifices, I'd love to know which delusion he picked them up from, because they don't quite gel with, you know, reality.
Oh and I've served on three juries. I'd have no trouble in finding Zimmerman guilty of manslaughter at the very least.

reply to post by rebellender


Nope, not everyone's racist and segregation tends to fall along economic lines not color ones.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by rebellender

 

Nope, not everyone's racist and segregation tends to fall along economic lines not color ones.

how about political affiliation?

come one come all, lotty dotty every body. Its the nature of the beast we are. To deny who we are we are blind to our own peril. That was the message of MLK jr.

JUSTICE FOR ZIMMERMAN!

An innocent man..

The cops would of arrested him
on the scene but the evidence
of zimmerman being attacked
first was all there..

After trey ambushed him zimmerman
had every right to defend himself

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
reply to post by ThePublicEnemyNo1

 

Supreme Court 1984 if memory serves...aMemphis cop shot a fleeing burglar that turned out to b an unarmed 16 yr old...he lost and it became the landmark case

edit on 21-3-2012 by Bullypulpit because: Dawgsbane

Thanks for the reference. I did take notice of your signature...although entitled to your personal beliefs, Bedford was not cool IMHO.....but we can agree to disagree at another time and place.

Originally posted by somuchhtosay41
reply to post by conspiracy nut

 

Incorrect!

When he is recorded saying "f***ing coon", and that "they always get away with things", race plays a huge issue here. When will everyone stop acting like racism does not exist anymore???

Sadly It still does. Open your eyes.

I'm not disputing the possible fact that Zimmerman said "F***** Coon" in his 911 tape, however, I think what Conspiracy Nut is saying, is for the sake of the argument of cold blooded murder, let's leave race out of our arguments for now since racial hatred has Not been proven Yet, as it leaves the door open for a more civilized discussion/debate. I agree, and my personal "opinion" tells me this was most definitely a hate crime, but until that is proven, all we have right now is a cold blooded murder.

It is my opinion that's all the poster Conspiracy Nut is trying to say. Just my opinion and I can agree with that for now

reply to post by Jaellma


He most definitely used a racial slur on the line with the 9-11 dispatcher and hunted Trayvon down. The facts show this. The recorded 9-11 tapes prove this as well.

Originally posted by Believer101
reply to post by Jaellma

 

He most definitely used a racial slur on the line with the 9-11 dispatcher and hunted Trayvon down. The facts show this. The recorded 9-11 tapes prove this as well.

Never the mind...insignificant post

reply to post by popsmayhem


So what if Trayvon took a swing? If you were minding your own business, walking through the neighborhood, talking to your girlfriend and some slob starts following you and confronts you, might take a swing too. It doesn't make the boy the first aggressor - that badge of shame belongs to Zimmerman.

He took it upon himself to exit the car and harass the teen, And that negates his BS self-defense claim. Period. Let him tell it to a judge and have a jury decide the facts of the case. NOT the Sanford police department.

I cannot WAIT until Zimmerman is arrested, tried and convicted and the Sanford police department is subject to a DOJ investigation. I hope you'll still be around to eat crow, but somehow I doubt it. Trolls come and go.

Originally posted by beezzer
If a guy was a sheet wearing KKK member with nazi tatoos and shot someone in self defense, does it make it a hate crime?

Just asking. . . .

THEY will make it one and never rest it was treated as such

Originally posted by KillerQueen
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

So what if Trayvon took a swing? If you were minding your own business, walking through the neighborhood, talking to your girlfriend and some slob starts following you and confronts you, might take a swing too. It doesn't make the boy the first aggressor - that badge of shame belongs to Zimmerman.

He took it upon himself to exit the car and harass the teen, And that negates his BS self-defense claim. Period. Let him tell it to a judge and have a jury decide the facts of the case. NOT the Sanford police department.

I cannot WAIT until Zimmerman is arrested, tried and convicted and the Sanford police department is subject to a DOJ investigation. I hope you'll still be around to eat crow, but somehow I doubt it. Trolls come and go.

I'm with you. Take notice, I respectfully asked PopsMayhem several direct questions about his assertions and all I saw afterwards in response was nothing.

I'll just sum it up as "he's not available right now to answer"

BTW, I can guarantee you that Sanford PD will be investigated by the DOJ/FBI. We had a recent similar situation out here in Los Angles County, where the Burbank Police Department was investigated for profiling and found that claims of racial profiling were in fact true.

Remember the last riots out here in the 1990's and a couple of years ago up in Oakland, CA...yeah, that woke the hell up out of a lot of folks nationwide. Try that crap out here again and see where you'll end up. A fact is a fact, because of the riots, it all slowed down but didn't end....America, we got a long way to go in regards to racial profiling of any race anywhere. I don't condone rioting, but hey, if the shoe fits then.........

It's just a matter of time before this all blows up in front of the faces of what we ALL call home "America". This CRAP has got to stop NOW!!!!! Not just for blacks/minorities, but the injustices committed on innocent American civilians everyday.

The police departments in places like Sanford, Florida, act like their S**t don't stink...well, it does and we all smell it. It will get cleaned up, just you watch! It's just a matter of time.

Originally posted by Bullypulpit

Originally posted by beezzer
If a guy was a sheet wearing KKK member with nazi tatoos and shot someone in self defense, does it make it a hate crime?

Just asking. . . .

THEY will make it one and never rest it was treated as such

Well, yes, it should be a hate crime (IMO) if the dead person isn't the same race. I was raised in Indianapolis, Indiana and on the Circle Center in downtown Indianapolis, last I left (1992), the KKK (or whatever) is allowed on one side of the circle and at the same time the Black Panthers were allowed on the other side of the circle so they could all practice their racial hatred simultaneously. That's called Freedom of Speech.

What you are asking would be considered a racially charged crime my friend.

ETA
Sorry, I see it was Beezer that asked the question so this post is directed at Beezer.

My apologies Bully

Originally posted by muse7
And of course this thread only has 27 flags compared to 41 flags for the thread about whites being discriminated.

Disgusting really.

It doesn't matter, we'll just keep debating/discussing because we should

reply to post by jrod


Zimmerman is not a member of law enforcement nor was he operating a motor vehicle when the incident occurred. He cannot be forced to provide a breath blood or urine sample.

We can request people to voluntarily take those tests however if they refuse, absent a court order, there is nothing we can do about the refusal. In our report we can document any behavioral issues / clues (intoxicating odor from the mouth, glazed over eyes, thousand yard stare, inability to follow basic commands, inability to multi task, stuttering / mumbling / slurred speech, inability to walk without needing assistance etc etc etc.

Even then if it goes to court we could not state for sure the individual in question was under the influence of anything.

People see the "standard" on tv shows and they are anything but. Keep in mind a tv show will last 30 minutes to 1 hour to go from the crime to the investigation to the charges to the court case to verdict. In order to do that and not make it look ridiculous they will use the same formula for the show, which does not equivelate into real life.

When I submit evidence to the state crime lab to be processed it will take a minimum of 60-90 days, depending on what needs to be processed. If a tv show were to do an actual show based on real life time frames one episode could last for 2-5 years depending on all the issues involved.

A lot of the time you will see tv police making the comment you can either give us the sample voluntarily or we will get a court order / revoke your probation etc etc etc. Forcing an individual to turn over evidence against themselves under threat of retaliation in any manner will be viewed by the courts as coerced, meaning there is a high probability any info gained that was to be used in court will be inadmissible.

The only time a law enforcement officer can legally force a blood / urine draw / analysis is if the individual was involved in a motor vehicle accident, was driving one of the vehicles, and was the reason for the crash and is unconscious.

That exception falls under implied consent laws.

Absent the above, all we can do is ask, and the person has every right to refuse..

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
The FBI/DOJ proved it doesn't care what state law is during the Goodman klan case in Mississippi . convicted after state court found not guilty and will in this case .Z is toast one way or the other.But you have to quit bending facts to fit your "want it to be's".It is what it is.

The States and the Federal government are separate sovereigns. If a person is charged for a crime under state law and is found not guilty, it is not double jeopardy for the USADA to file federal charges.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
JUSTICE FOR ZIMMERMAN!

An innocent man..

The cops would of arrested him
on the scene but the evidence
of zimmerman being attacked
first was all there..

After trey ambushed him zimmerman
had every right to defend himself

Let me put this in easily understandable words. Zimmerman went after an unarmed teenager with a gun. There was no ambush, apart from in your mind. He confronted him and he shot him.

reply to post by ThePublicEnemyNo1

The police departments in places like Sanford, Florida, act like their S**t don't stink...well, it does and we all smell it. It will get cleaned up, just you watch! It's just a matter of time.

preach it!! America has to choose to put Cops and Government out of business. Personal responsibility. Own it.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by jrod

 

Zimmerman is not a member of law enforcement nor was he operating a motor vehicle when the incident occurred. He cannot be forced to provide a breath blood or urine sample.

The laws in Florida are rather radical! Zimmerman killed/murdered someone and based on that alone, should have been subjected to the same processes that any other offender should be subjected to, especially a murder. His word alone is not cause/grounds for police/authoritarian dismissal of what they considered to be self defense. He should have been booked, fingerprinted and background checked, then released if they found no probable cause for an actual arrest versus detainment. He didn't get any of that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We will see, because the light likes to shine.

Thank goodness there's a higher court and that's where the last word will stand...period