Time to ban the Burqa?

I live in Amsterdam. Next door there's Achmed, my neighbour. Achmed's wife always walks around in a burka. My wife and I don't question this. We are like, "They do what they do - everyone goes his own way in life - religion - freedom - have fun."

The other day I bumped into Achmed and his wife. At least, I guess it was his wife. I sais "Hey Achmed, is that your wife?"

He answered "My wife, yesyes".

I go "in her burka?"

He goes " yesyesyes in her burka."

Me again "you have to because of your religion is it not?"

He nudding "yesyes it's because of my religion."

Showing off my deep knowledge of his religion now "it's to protect us from wanting your wife isn't it?"

Achmed laughing "Others maybe, but mine is so ugly I thought a curtain was appropriate."

continuing "My brother, is homosexual" -Also not allowed in his religion- "His friend walks around in burka for seven years now."

(crappy translation from youp van 't hek.)

I personally think people should unwind. Give ugly woman and gay-Muslim a break!

Originally posted by ollncasino
Is it time to ban the burqa and Islamic face coverings in general?

Many people, including myself, object to Muslims covering their faces on the grounds of public safety, as the above incident demonstrates.

Your prejudice is showing.

No in fact I think in this case with facial recognition software that has emerged I think the burka donners are ahead of the curve .

Sunglasses, earmuffs scarfs and hats are acceptable but a 1 piece garment that does the same thing is not? Why?

Police can cover up their faces but civilians cannot? Why?

How is wearing a burka (or a full body covering of any sort) not a right to priavcy issue?

With the underwear bomber, might I suggest just no clothing below the waist?


Can't fight a war when you've dropped trou.
Can't rob a bank, with your frank and beans all out there.

Just imagine a happier, nekid world.

So sayeth from the gospel of beezzer.

Originally posted by DavidWillts
Probably one the dumbest and racist ideas i have ever heard.

There is nothing racist or dumb about expecting to be able to see someone's face. Quite the opposite in fact.

Funnily enough, in Europe you are very much in the minority in your support for the Burqa.

Britain in 2006 - 29%
Britain in 2010 - 62%

Spain in 2006 - 43%
Spain in 2010 - 59%

France in 2006 - 78%
France in 2010 - 82%

Germany in 2006 - 54%
Germany in 2010 - 71%

pewresearch.org...
pewglobal.org...

In the UK, support for banning the burqa has since increased to 66%

labs.yougov.co.uk...

Perhaps you wouldn't be such a supporter of the burqa if you were forced you to wear one?

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Bush
Obama
Hitler

Yeah, group mentality is never wrong...

Originally posted by VforVendettea
Sunglasses, earmuffs scarfs and hats are acceptable but a 1 piece garment that does the same thing is not? Why?

Your desire to oppress women is perhaps preventing you from seeing the difference.

Originally posted by VforVendettea
How is wearing a burka (or a full body covering of any sort) not a right to priavcy issue?

Because it oppresses women. If wearing a burqa is a privacy issue, why don't Muslim men wear one?

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Why not just place the ban on forcing people to wear it if that is what you really have an issue with?

I ran into this situation the other day. I live in the South (for now) and i work at a gas station. We don't allow anyone inside who is wearing a hood. Many people ALL day long walk in wearing their hood up, even though it is 70 degrees outside . . ? And I always have to tell them to take it off. Some people get pissed, but it's the rules.

Well they other day i came into my store and their were 2 woman in full face coverings, and 2 men with them. I asked my employee why she didn't ask them to take it off. I really thought to myself, this is the rules but i am going to get into some *snip* because of this. So i asked them if they could take their head coverings off or leave the store, it is the policy. One of the men seemed upset, the other apologized and escorted the woman outside (after i let one use the bathroom).

Criminals could use this technique, and i am surprised more do not. But robbing a gas station these days really isn't worth it as most only have 50$ in the register at any given time. But it did make me think of the old school movies of robbing banks dressed as nuns. . .

Originally posted by DavidWillts
Bush
Obama
Hitler

Yeah, group mentality is never wrong...

Your attack on democracy is based on a faulty knowledge of history.

Hitler never won a democratic election. The Nazi party, even at its best, won only a minority of German votes.

In Saudi, where there is no democracy, only the will of Allah, we have

(1) All Saudi women must have a male guardian, who has the right to control marriage, travel, education and opening a bank account.

(2) Saudi women can't vote.

(3) Saudi women can be charged with prostitution for socializing with a man who is not a relative or husband.

(4) Saudi women must cover all of the body except the hands and eyes.

(5) Sex segregation is expected in public. Women and men must minimize social interaction. Most offices, banks, and universities have separate entrances for men and women.

(6) Women’s freedom of movement is very limited in Saudi Arabia. They are not supposed to leave their houses or their local neighbourhood without the permission of their male guardian, and company of a mahram (close male relative).

(7) There are no laws defining the minimum age for marriage in Saudi Arabia. Most religious authorities have justified the marriage of girls as young as 9.

(8) Under Sharia law a rape victim is often punished.

In the Qatif girl rape case, an 18-year old victim of kidnapping and gang rape was sentenced by a Saudi court to six months in prison and 200 lashes.

en.wikipedia.org...

I would take Bush and Obama any day before the will of Allah in Saudi.

Originally posted by DavidWillts
Why not just place the ban on forcing people to wear it if that is what you really have an issue with?

I can see a flaw in your logic that has perhaps passed you by.

Man wearing burka carries out jewellery shop raid

A robber wore a burka as a disguise to carry out a raid on a jewellery shop, police said today.

The cross-dressing criminal used the black head-to-toe garment, favoured by some Muslim women, along with a hijab or face veil, showing only his eyes, to hide his identity.

Owners of the jewellers in Bury, Greater Manchester thought the six foot tall robber was a woman and allowed him entry.

The Indepedent

Originally posted by 23432

Banning a piece of cloth for security reasons ?

No .

Are you suggesting that people should be allowed to wear crash helmets or balaclavas in banks?

Police hunt Sydney burka bandit

A man has been robbed at gunpoint by a bandit dressed in a burka in Sydney's south yesterday.

www.abc.net.au...

no it's time to ban people who wants to tell you how dressed up you should be

Originally posted by Jabbah
no it's time to ban people who wants to tell you how dressed up you should be

Would my wife be allowed to walk around in a mini-skirt in Saudi Arabia?

So are you suggesting that Saudi males should be banned?

When in Rome, do as Romans do.

When you're in an area dominated by a different culture, you either assimilate, leave or suffer. Same all over the world, matter of fact the western world is more inviting by far than the rest of it.

Regardless of the reality of the situation, people are obviously uneasy about this and that creates its own problems. I say take off the damn rags and wear a t-shirt and jeans or something, the UK isn't Iran. It's not like there isn't western attire that will cover the same areas without the fuss.

Against Islam? Feel free to go somewhere more Islam appropriate where they will be so nice as to let you wear it.

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I think the goal should be to allow personal freedoms, not to strive to be like oppressive Middle East nations.

So why do we ridicule these nations but then justify it when we want to do something they would do?

It's a hypocritical argument.

Originally posted by D.Wolf
I live in Amsterdam. Next door there's Achmed, my neighbour. Achmed's wife always walks around in a burka. My wife and I don't question this.

We are like, "They do what they do - everyone goes his own way in life - religion - freedom - have fun."

You are lucky.

This article says that only about 100 women in the Netherlands wear a burqa.

Netherlands to ban the burka

Holland is to become the latest European country to ban the burka, despite the fact that fewer than 100 Dutch women are thought to wear the face-covering Islamic dress.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Personally, I like to get to see my neigbours faces. Most Netherlands people appear to agree with me. Hence the ban.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
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I think the goal should be to allow personal freedoms, not to strive to be like oppressive Middle East nations.

So why do we ridicule these nations but then justify it when we want to do something they would do?

It's a hypocritical argument.

So you are arguing that Muslim women should be forced to wear a burqa on the grounds of personal freedom?

Interesting, if contrived logic.

Here is a Saudi Beauty contest, Burqas and all.

as much as i abhor religious intolerance, i do believe that the burka cannot be worn in our society, at least here in the states. facial recognition is one of the primary means of locating and identifying; this is very true in law enforcement and mostly true in everyday life. this is less a religious issue as it is a safety/security issue. while there could be many reasons why people wear masks, pollution, secret identity... the two primary reasons would be as a masked gunman/thief, or a person in a burka. the exposure of the face is crucial in identification. many states allow police confrontation if a mask is worn. to allow one to wear a burka for religious reason, but disallow someone wearing a ski mask does give me pause.

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In Saudi, where there is no democracy, only the will of Allah, we have

We are not talking about what happens in Saudi, we are talking about a ban on clothing in the UK.

I can see a flaw in your logic that has perhaps passed you by.

Man wearing burka carries out jewellery shop raid

How is that a flaw in my logic? It is a horrible argument you have, I can find 100s of cases of masked men robbing places with masks that would be legal. That does not mean we should ban masks.

Originally posted by Lawgiver
this is less a religious issue as it is a safety/security issue.

Its not even a religious issue. Nowehere in the Koran does it prescribe that women should wear a burqa. Only that women should dress modestly.

Its Arabic culture to force women to wear a burqa. It isn't Islam.