Time to ban the Burqa?

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Just like the ''culturally oppressive'' dresses that women have to wear in the West, covering up their breasts.

What's the difference ?

If you can't see the difference between a women covering her breasts and a women covering her face and body in a burqa, then I can only assume you are either blind or a Wahhabi Muslim.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by SprocketUK
No, those were 3 separate polls, you can't just add them together and say 5000

Actually, statistically you can average the means of the three polls, which works out as

(62% + 66% + 66%) = 64.5%.

2 out 3 people in the UK support banning the burqa.

Pew Research
Pew Global
YouGov

Three polls of a total sample size of 5,000 people is a very large poll of statistical significance.

Originally posted by SprocketUK
You have to be very careful with such small samples as you can get wildly skewed results depending on the places and times of day you survey people.

The three polls, which are not small except in your imagination, were carried out by two respected professional polling organisations: YouGoc and Pew Research, which being professional polling organisations took steps to ensure the polls were representative.

I can understand why you prefer to believe that your own opinion(one person) as being more representative of what British people think than three polls amounting to the opinions of 5,000 people (psychologically we all tend to place a lot of emphasis on our own opinions) but you surely can't expect anyone else to agree with you?

2 out 3 people in the UK support banning the burqa.

What a pompous, condescending bigot you are. Keep your thread, I see no point arguing with you since you lack a basic understanding of statistics, fairness or any other worthy trait.
It's obvious that you aren't prepared to let anything sway your outlook from its present "phobic" tracks.
Life is too short to spend time with people who get on your nerves so I'm outta this. My last comment on this subject is simply Don't be putting your own prejudice and fear on the rest of us, you live with it if you want, but leave us normal Britons out of your twisted little utopia.

Originally posted by SprocketUK
What a pompous, condescending bigot you are. Keep your thread, I see no point arguing with you since you lack a basic understanding of statistics, fairness or any other worthy trait.

I suspect that I may well have a better understanding of statistics than you do.

I also have the trait of being able to accept that the results of polls, even if I don't like them, represent public opinion.

Originally posted by SprocketUK
It's obvious that you aren't prepared to let anything sway your outlook from its present "phobic" tracks.

All you have done to try to sway me is argue that 5,000 people over 3 polls is a small sample and that it was probably unrepresentative.

Yet you have offered no evidence to prove why 5,000 over 3 polls is anything but a large sample and why two respected polling organisations would carry out unrepresentative polls.

Originally posted by SprocketUK
Life is too short to spend time with people who get on your nerves so I'm outta this. My last comment on this subject is simply Don't be putting your own prejudice and fear on the rest of us, you live with it if you want, but leave us normal Britons out of your twisted little utopia.

Two out of three normal Britons want to ban the burqa.

• A Pew Report Poll (US company), found that 62% of Britons polled supported banning the burqa in 2010.

Pew Report

• A YouGov Poll, found that 66% of Britons polled supported banning the burqa in 2010.

YouGov Poll

• A further YouGoc Poll, for Channel 5, found that 67% of Britons polled supported banning the burqa in 2010.

YouGov Poll

By all means continue in your misconception that your opinion represents the majority of the British population, but please don't expect me to encourage you in your delusion.

Originally posted by purplemer
I would like to ban the thick and stupid people from the Uk. The racist ones that support the removal of the burqa.. There have now been numerous scientific studies done that show people with racist inclinations have a lower IQ score.. I would also like to see people with a low IQ score removed from ATS

It has been suggested that people who support Wahhabi burqa wearers are either Wahhabi Muslims or are 'liberals' engaging in a spasm of political correctness despite knowing next to nothing about what lies behind the burqa.

I use the term 'liberal' very loosely as the modern genesis of liberal appears to be as intolerant of an opinion that differs from their own as Pol Pot, Stalin and Hitler were.

It could be observed that it is breath takingly arrogant to describe the 2 out of 3 British people who support the banning as "thick and stupid" and "racist", but then, 'liberals' are not know for tolerance for an opinion that differs from their own.

Interestingly, support also runs high in other European countries for banning the burqa.

Spain in 2010 - 59%
France in 2010 - 82%
Germany in 2010 - 71%

pewresearch.org...
pewglobal.org...

Originally posted by purplemer
I would like to ban the thick and stupid people from the Uk. The racist ones that support the removal of the burqa..

You appear to not have read the whole thread so I will bring you up to speed. You appear unaware that

SYRIA bans the burka and niqab in universities as backlash against Muslim veil grows

Daily Mail

Muslim Canadian Congress calls for burka ban

CBC News Canada

Are you, in your spasm of politcal correctness suggesting that Syria and the Muslim Canadian Congress are 'thick', 'stupid' and 'racist'?

Or is it just more likely that you don't know what you are talking about but feel the need to come out of your corner fighting?

It is kind of sad that people like you hold such strong convictions about things they are largely ignorant about.

reply to post by ollncasino


I find it hard to take you with seriousness. You have an avatar of a kangaroo!..

but back to the finer points..

It could be observed that it is breath takingly arrogant to describe the 2 out of 3 British people who support the banning as "thick and stupid" and "racist

Arrogant maybe, but also truthful, most people are stupid we both know this to be true. That is why I would propose kicking all the stupid people out of the UK.

You want to ban people from wearing a cloth over there face. I would rather ban stupid people. May I ask who would be left with a better society..You with your culturally diffused society or me with my society of high thinkers...

reply to post by ollncasino

Are you, in your spasm of politcal correctness suggesting that Syria and the Muslim Canadian Congress are 'thick', 'stupid' and 'racist'?

I said earlier that most people are stupid. There have been scientific studies done that suggest that stupid people are racists.. It would be absurd in to think that you do not find stupid people in Syria too....

Here is a human being explaining her reasons for wearing this garment .





Should she be respected or not ?

Originally posted by purplemer
Arrogant maybe, but also truthful, most people are stupid we both know this to be true. That is why I would propose kicking all the stupid people out of the UK.

You want to ban people from wearing a cloth over there face. I would rather ban stupid people. May I ask who would be left with a better society..You with your culturally diffused society or me with my society of high thinkers...

It is quite amazing that you are so sure of your own perceived intellectual superiority.

Yet, you have shown no evidence of this superiority.

Are you comfortable calling 66% of British people, 59% of Spanish, 82% of French,
71% of Germans, Syria and the Muslim Canadian Congress 'thick', 'stupid' and 'racist'?

Wouldn't that be both racists and bigoted?

reply to post by ollncasino

If you can't see the difference between a women covering her breasts and a women covering her face and body in a burqa, then I can only assume you are either blind or a Wahhabi Muslim.

what is the difference. In both cases a women finds covering a piece of her body culturally correct. If you cannot see that I can only assume you have your burqa on the wrong way round..

reply to post by ollncasino

Yet, you have shown no evidence of this superiority. Are you comfortable calling 66% of British people, 59% of Spanish, 82% of French, 71% of Germans, Syria and the Muslim Canadian Congress 'thick', 'stupid' and 'racist'

The sad thing is I do have the evidence to back it up.....

There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy. The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults.

These findings point to a vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario. Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found. Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice, Hodson wrote in an email to LiveScience.

www.livescience.com...


I am not trying to fight my way out of the corner.. I am simply facilitating the spread of knowledge and to show there is no hard feelings I shall star your posts...

Originally posted by purplemer

Yet, you have shown no evidence of this superiority. Are you comfortable calling 66% of British people, 59% of Spanish, 82% of French, 71% of Germans, Syria and the Muslim Canadian Congress 'thick', 'stupid' and 'racist'

The sad thing is I do have the evidence to back it up.....

The really sad thing is that you are calling the Muslim Canadian Congress thick', 'stupid' and 'racist' against Muslims.

Work that one out.

It couldn't maybe just be that you are wrong?

Egypt bans women university teachers from wearing burqas

english.ruvr.ru...

I suppose Egypt is full of people who are thick', 'stupid' and 'racist' against Muslims as well?

reply to post by purplemer

There have been scientific studies done that suggest that stupid people are racists..

Ban on burqa is not racism. Bigotry, if you must, but it is not racist.

reply to post by ollncasino


You asked for evidence and I supplied it...I have heard your opinion. Any chance of backing it up with some real evidence...

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by purplemer

Yet, you have shown no evidence of this superiority. Are you comfortable calling 66% of British people, 59% of Spanish, 82% of French, 71% of Germans, Syria and the Muslim Canadian Congress 'thick', 'stupid' and 'racist'

The sad thing is I do have the evidence to back it up.....

The really sad thing is that you are calling the Muslim Canadian Congress thick', 'stupid' and 'racist' against Muslims.

Work that one out.

It couldn't maybe just be that you are wrong?

Egypt bans women university teachers from wearing burqas

english.ruvr.ru...

I suppose Egypt is full of people who are thick', 'stupid' and 'racist' against Muslims as well?

edit on 18-3-2012 by ollncasino because: grammar

edit on 18-3-2012 by ollncasino because: correct error

That Mubarak diktat is gone. Egyptian women have the freedom to dress as they wish.

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by ollncasino

 

You asked for evidence and I supplied it...I have heard your opinion. Any chance of backing it up with some real evidence...

You are getting yourself mixed up.

I didn't ask for any evidence from you to dispute the point you tried to make that anyone who supports banning the burqa is 'thick', 'stupid' and 'racist'.

If you are happy believing that, who am I to dissuade you?

I did however point out that you were effectively calling Syria and the Muslim Canadian Congress 'thick', 'stupid' and of being 'racist' against Muslims to boot.

Of course that makes no sense at all, but I'm sure it won't deter you in your convictions.

If you wish to have a thread discussing the paper you found that said poor people are more likely to be racist, then by all means open such a thread.

I will happily contribute.

In fact, it sounds like a good thread.

Originally posted by 23432


Banning a piece of cloth for security reasons ?

No .

exactly; this is based on racism and the idiotic notion that all people of muslim descent are going to run in and blow themselves up.

this is ridiculous

Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath
reply to post by Morgenstern89

 

I'm no fan of all the post 9/11 fear mongering either, but surely you must understand that the criticisms of the culture can't all stem from hate, ignorance, or bigoted religious views.

But is about hate and the rest. No one criticizes another culture while their government is killing them out of good will.

For example during the Vietnam war if someone from the West, especially the US, came forward criticizing Vietnamese culture, it would be fair to accuse them of being a hate monger. It does not matter even if there is some justification because it is adding insult to injury.

On 9/11 when 3000 Americans died, it would have been unacceptable to hark on about American racism, drug taking and rapes, etc. as fundamental elements of American culture and use it as justifications for the 9/11 atrocity.

Criticizing another religion and culture of far off countries is an irrational preoccupation and it constitutes fighting talk. When the Afghan take their revenge on American soldiers who kill their people, please remember what you have written. You contributed to the conflict.

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You don't seem to be able to differentiate between criticizing an -entire- culture or religion and criticizing small portions that, unfortunately, harm their own culture and religion. Sure, if I was up here spouting off hate speech, I would be a part of the problem. That, however, is not what I'm doing, nor does it seem to be what anyone else in here is doing. I have zero problem with Middle Easterners, I have zero problem with Muslims. If anyone hates an individual solely because of their race or religion, they are an imbecile. There is nothing wrong with criticizing an extreme element in a culture or religion. Criticizing an extremist element is -not- criticizing the entire population of Middle Easterners/Muslims.

Here's an example. As a white person, if I have a black neighbor who frequently plays loud music until 1 AM, and as a result I really dislike the guy, am I an ignorant racist whose bigotry contributes to white on black violence in America? No, absolutely not, because he's just one person who happens to be a jerk, regardless of his race. He is not representative of every other black person in the country, and no other black person should be judged because of his behavior. It would be entirely possible for me to carry on healthy, friendly relationships with other black people, while still disliking the jerk neighbor. The same way it is possible to criticize a small extremist element of Middle Eastern culture while having no problem with the rest of them.

I cant wear my hoodie or my motobike helmet at a bank or petrol station but they can cover their face anywhere they want .