Mandatory Draft in House & Senate for 2005 (ages 18-26)

Originally posted by American Mad Man
This is a classic garbage bill - nothing more.

dgtempe - you need to leave your liberal bias at the door on this one. As it has been pointed out, the bill was from a DEMOCRAT , NOT a Republican, and certainly not Bush.

Understood. However, it will be for Bush to use immediately after he's elected. He's got the democrats as fall guys on this one.
Shame on the democrats.
Give him the rope to hang himself and all young people on this one.
Bush doesnt have to do the draft if he had any dignity and compassion at all. But he doesnt. **shakes head**
You got me on this one **bows head**
I'm wrong and you're right. Thanks for pounding some sense into me.

Originally posted by dgtempe
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Understood. However, it will be for Bush to use immediately after he's elected. He's got the democrats as fall guys on this one.
Shame on the democrats.
Give him the rope to hang himself and all young people on this one.
Bush doesnt have to do the draft if he had any dignity and compassion at all. But he doesnt. **shakes head**
You got me on this one **bows head**
I'm wrong and you're right. Thanks for pounding some sense into me.

That is exacty what I feel bush will not waste any time in using the bill, perhaps that is the reason why he has not said anything on the matter.

This same thing has been brought up over and over here since I became a member.

If Bush wanted the draft he would have the draft.

So what if he does go through with it? IMO It would take the punks off the street corner if they quit school and make real citizens out of them instead of them being crackhead welfare bums hanging out at the mall or street corner asking for change. This country has gone to crap because all the people that dont want to give anything back in the form of some sort of national service. This is all I'll say. If you disagree cool but I'm calling it a night. This post is just a rehash about the same two bills that have been around for a while. Thy using the search next time.

Originally posted by moxyone
Anyone w/ half a brain knows that Rangel introduced this bill for political posturing.

It has zero chance of passing.

Rangel is a democrat. Go figure why he did it.

Anyone who says President Bush is for reinstating the draft is a LIAR.

And thats that.

Bush 57%.....Kerry 42%...Nader 1%.

wanna bet?...

So tell me....is the fact that GEORGE WAS A CHEERLEADER IN AN ALL-BOY HIGH SCHOOL impressive to you? Or is his daughter's lack of fashion sense
appealing?

The involuntary recall occurred because of Bush's War.
In case you haven't noticed....he's REFUSING to admit it's a disaster.
(That means he'll be needing lots more soldiers to "whoop" insurgents butts).

Don't believe the polls. One minute Bush is leading the next he and Kerry are tied; they change daily. Young people will vote The Nerd out of office.



[edit on 21-9-2004 by bushblows]

Originally posted by Bleys

Originally posted by dgtempe
Know anyone who could be drafted? THEN DONT VOTE BUSH.

This will go into effect immediately if he's re-elected

How do you figure they will go into effect immediately upon Bush's re-election? You know you should really try reading the bills before commenting on them. Both bills were introduced by Democrats! One of them Charlie Rangel and let me assure you Rangel is no friend of Bush.

You keep working that spin.

Sweet! I just love it! isnt it ironic?

We will not need a draft if we increase thier pay, folks we ahve some of the most professional soldiers in the WORLD! As a volenteer force, it is much more effective...


We do not NEED a draft.....if we did, you better hope BUSH wins...

Then again....

This draft is still in the house.....Bush would be able to introduce it in his second term, because then it's a lame duck presidency. The question then remains....do they need a draft if they want to fight Iran and Syria?

Originally posted by bushblows

Haven't read the above bill so I'm not qualified to comment on it
but the involuntary recall of 5600 retired servicemembers which occurred
this summer is no spin.

Q) What's an "involuntary recall"?
A) It's a backdoor draft.

That means extra servicemembers are needed to fill a big gap in our current
military. Now gee, why would we have a gap? Umm....cuz our soldiers are getting destroyed in huge numbers, that's why.

Q) You mean the casuality/fatality stats we see in the mainstream press may be fudged?
A) Highly likely, yes!

Wake up. No one is claiming Democrats are Gods. The Cheerleader, however, has created an neverending mess abroad, disrupted thousands of retired servicemembers lives by recalling them to active duty and is too dumb/delusional to admit the situation is a horror.

A draft already occurred. Just because it didn't effect you personally doesn't mean it won't somewhere down the road.

The big gap in our military has been there for sometime. I was in the military under the Clinton administration, and we were understaffed, very understaffed. Actually the word "understaffed" does not cover the problems we were having...

I am not sure if you ever were in the military, but my opinion is that if you were, you would know this.

The draft will be necessary to bolster occupation forces if we decide to continue our "liberation" of despotic countries. Our all volunteer forces as they stand right now, are of very high moral. I am speaking of the combat arms units.

But once the combat arms units have done their job (destory the enemy), then the occupation must take place. That effort will take outlandish numbers of troops, which could only be filled by a draft.

I served in a combat arms unit with all volunteers. We would not have wanted to have people around us who did not want to be there.

The Spider

This is all i have to say. Kerry and bush are on the same teams they both work for the world goverment. If you dont believe then just watch what happen in 2005.The anti-christ is here and getting ready to reveal himself. in the bible he will overthrow three countrys in the middle east. Afgan,Iraqjust wait people one more. soon syria will be hit with a nuke and completly destoried. All we have to do is sit back and watch. There is no longer two parties only one and it is in control

I agree with the fact that these 2 men are part of something much bigger, and are actually on the same agenda.

That's one way to put an end to partisan sniping and spinning!

The Spider

If that's the case, then we can do everybody a favor and send Clinton over there. He can make up for lost time in Vietnam and keep his promise to fight for Israel.

Originally posted by edsinger

Originally posted by Bleys

Originally posted by dgtempe
Know anyone who could be drafted? THEN DONT VOTE BUSH.

This will go into effect immediately if he's re-elected

How do you figure they will go into effect immediately upon Bush's re-election? You know you should really try reading the bills before commenting on them. Both bills were introduced by Democrats! One of them Charlie Rangel and let me assure you Rangel is no friend of Bush.

You keep working that spin.

Sweet! I just love it! isnt it ironic?

We will not need a draft if we increase thier pay, folks we ahve some of the most professional soldiers in the WORLD! As a volenteer force, it is much more effective...


We do not NEED a draft.....if we did, you better hope BUSH wins...

We're going to need a draft if Kerry gets elected (which he won't) and sends all our troops into the Balkans and Sudan with no end in sight just so he can say he "did something" and feel good.


"Once you know by which process laws and sausages are made, you cannot sleep peacefully at night." - Otto von Bismark

I will turn 27 this December. Part of me is a little sad that I wouldn't be eligable for a draft next year. I would never join up (now that I'm married with a newborn son), but would serve proudly if I were drafted. I know it sounds kinda ignorrant of me, especially since I don't fully agree with this war, but I guess the partiot in side of me desires the chance to put words to action. Anyone else feel this way?

[edit on 22-9-2004 by mpeake]

The concept of fighting terrifies me, I have problems going so far as to kill a spider on my wall. I do not believe I am here to fight, but to spread life... it sounds cheesy but I would love to serve my country in other ways.

My biggest issue with the ideas in this bill is that it doesn't account for people who planned their life without an obligation like that in place... shouldn't there be grandfather clauses for people with serious obligations?
Suddenly I am called into the military and now my 2 year old essentially has no parents for 2 years?!?
Somehow they are going to compensate me for those 2 years of my daughter they just took away?

It isn't right to come in and just uproot people with prior obligations.
It would be different if I grew up knowing I had to go, but then if I just do community service, at what time do they expect me to work that in between my job and raising/homeschooling a toddler?

mpeake, could you imagine if they walked into your living room in November and commanded you to pack up because you're getting shipped off for at least 2 years. Right now, nothing you can do to stop it.
Say goodbye to seeing first steps or hearing first words, hope your little boy sees you again and possibly isn't estranged from you for the rest of his life, but it's okay because otherwise we wouldn't be able to occupy someone else's country... small sacrifice to destroy your life so that you can destroy somebody else's- er, I mean "spread freedom" yeah, that's it.

Originally posted by mpeake
I will turn 27 this December. Part of me is a little sad that I wouldn't be eligable for a draft next year. I would never join up (now that I'm married with a newborn son), but would serve proudly if I were drafted. I know it sounds kinda ignorrant of me, especially since I don't fully agree with this war, but I guess the partiot in side of me desires the chance to put words to action. Anyone else feel this way?

[edit on 22-9-2004 by mpeake]

Here's the funny part. Most of you are screaming bloody murder, that President Bush is going to use this to draft all your children, that it's all a Republican conspiracy...

Well, let�s just take a look at who wrote and is sponsoring this bill...

Author: Casey Rangel - Democrat

For sponsors:
Jim McDermott - Democrat

John Conyers Jr. - Democrat

John Lewis - Democrat

Fortney Pete Stark - Democrat

Neil Abercrombie - Democrat

Hmmmm....ALL democrats, not just one!!! I guess the Democrats are trying to set up the draft, not the republicans, eh????


Besides, the only thing this bill would do is change the existing law that is already on the books to include "public service" in lieu of actual military service, plus a few other minor points.

Don't get your panties in a bunch. The draft will only be used in a national emergency situation where normal recruiting falls short of governmental need.

Is Chicken Little around here some place???


[edit on 22-9-2004 by Affirmative Reaction]

Originally posted by mpeake
I will turn 27 this December. Part of me is a little sad that I wouldn't be eligable for a draft next year. I would never join up (now that I'm married with a newborn son), but would serve proudly if I were drafted. I know it sounds kinda ignorrant of me, especially since I don't fully agree with this war, but I guess the partiot in side of me desires the chance to put words to action. Anyone else feel this way?

[edit on 22-9-2004 by mpeake]

Yup! I tried to join the marines a few years ago, but because of a sugically repaired knee I couldn't pass the physical. Maybe if they had a draft they would let me in.

For those of you out there saying that Bush is behind this, keep in mind that his twins would be eligible for the draft if this goes through. Also, isn't Chelsea Clinton young enough that she too would become eligible?

I really don't understand how it is that in one sentence people say how stupid Bush is and in the next they say that Bush has manipulated people to do his dirty work so that he doesn't look like the bad guy. You can't have it both ways. A dumb person is not capable of being able to pull off the type of things that Bush is being accused of.

Jemison

Blanketgirl - Women would not be used in a GI role - so you wouldn't be fighting on the ground. At most you would be flying a plane dropping bombs on people, so it wouldn't be very personal

As far as your son goes, I believe they do have some sort of clause that prevents a mother and it's child from being seperated (i could be wrong though). Also, if I remember corectly, it said that civil service was required, so perhaps you would be able to work on a base here, or in a factory producing weapons.

Originally posted by Jemison

I really don't understand how it is that in one sentence people say how stupid Bush is and in the next they say that Bush has manipulated people to do his dirty work so that he doesn't look like the bad guy. You can't have it both ways. A dumb person is not capable of being able to pull off the type of things that Bush is being accused of.

Jemison

It's the "John Kerry Syndrome". Some libs think President Bush is an imbecile, other libs think he is a genius. Therefore, the libs here push both sides of the ridiculous argument, contradiction themselves on a regular basis. It's exactly what Kerry does on a DAILY basis by trying to be all things to all people, take both sides of every argument, and flip flop between his many sides as the audience requires. I think the AMA is going to classify it as a mental disorder soon. The only known cure is hysterical laughter by coherent persons who live in the REAL world...

My husband (retaired Marine) with a military mentality belief in the draft but not me for obvious reasons, he said to me that after 9/11 the turn around for voluntary service was high due to the patriotism but then things started to slow down during the Iraqi occupation.

He said that the military does not have enough space to do a draft as soon as next year and like the link said it takes about two years to get the new recruit ready for combat, in his view he sees the military pulling soldiers from schools like west point and making hasty officers with not experience at all.

Is just his opinion.

Now in the military if you have a four year degree you are officer candidate now can we trust somebody just because it has a degree to make decisions that has to do with the lives of others in the field?

Just a question.


[edit on 22-9-2004 by marg6043]