Mandatory Draft in House & Senate for 2005 (ages 18-26)

thomas.loc.gov...

Just enter in "HR 163" and click search and will bring up the bill for you to read. It is less than two pages long.


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Mandatory draft for boys and girls (ages 18-26)

Mandatory draft for boys and girls (ages 18-26) starting June 15, 2005, is something that everyone should know about. This will affect everyone since we all have or know children that will have to go if this bill passes.

There is pending legislation in the house and senate (twinbills: S89 and HR163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin as early as spring, 2005, just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. Details and links follow.

If this bill passes, it will include all men and ALL WOMEN from ages 18-26 in a draft for military action. In addition, college will no longer be an option for avoiding the draft and they will be signing an agreement with the Canada which will no longer permit anyone attempting to dodge the draft to stay within it's borders. This bill also includes the extention of military service for all those that are currently active. If you go to the selcet service web site and read their 2004 FYI Goals you will see that the reasoning for this is to increase the size of the military in case of terrorism. This is a critical piece of legislation, this will effect our undergradates, our children and our grandchildren. Please take the time to write your congressman and let them know how you feel about this legislation.



www.house.gov

www.senate.gov

Please also write to your representatives and ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.

The draft $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation.

This legislation is called HR 163 and can be found in detail at this website:

thomas.loc.gov...

Just enter in "HR 163" and click search and will bring up the bill for you to read. It is less than two pages long.



Please see www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the Selective

Service System annual performance plan, fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan (and permanent state of war on terrorism) proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp entitled the

Universal National service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons (age 18-26) in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services. Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December, 2001, Canada and the U.S.signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30 point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country.

Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

What to do:

Tell your friends.

Contact your legislators and voice your opinion.

Just type "congress" into the aol search engine and input your zip code. A list of your reps will pop up with a way to email them directly. We can't just sit and pretend that by ignoring it, it will go away. We must voice our concerns and create the world we want to live in for our children and grandchildren.

Shondalyn L. Moore-Thompson, Auditor
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Know anyone who could be drafted? THEN DONT VOTE BUSH.

This will go into effect immediately if he's re-elected

Our enemies draft their armies. How about we don't have a draft then our enemies will become much stronger and bigger then us. Don't expect all of our enemies to forgive us If Keryy wins.

Originally posted by dgtempe
Know anyone who could be drafted? THEN DONT VOTE BUSH.

This will go into effect immediately if he's re-elected

How do you figure they will go into effect immediately upon Bush's re-election? You know you should really try reading the bills before commenting on them. Both bills were introduced by Democrats! One of them Charlie Rangel and let me assure you Rangel is no friend of Bush.

You keep working that spin.

Im not so dumb as to think our enemies will forgive us if Kerry wins, but i am smart enough to know that a change in government and a shot at perhaps getting rid of the evil government in the u.s. will just maybe give us a little more chance at trying some effective TACTICS, which is unheard of by this government now.
Not to mention the fact there wouldnt be any draft.
War breeds more wars, and evil breeds evil, so getting rid of Bush & Co would only help the USA.
Really, do you need to hear this from me? im sick of posting just to see my fingers type

Originally posted by Bleys

Originally posted by dgtempe
Know anyone who could be drafted? THEN DONT VOTE BUSH.

This will go into effect immediately if he's re-elected

How do you figure they will go into effect immediately upon Bush's re-election? You know you should really try reading the bills before commenting on them. Both bills were introduced by Democrats! One of them Charlie Rangel and let me assure you Rangel is no friend of Bush.

You keep working that spin.

Haven't read the above bill so I'm not qualified to comment on it
but the involuntary recall of 5600 retired servicemembers which occurred
this summer is no spin.

Q) What's an "involuntary recall"?
A) It's a backdoor draft.

That means extra servicemembers are needed to fill a big gap in our current
military. Now gee, why would we have a gap? Umm....cuz our soldiers are getting destroyed in huge numbers, that's why.

Q) You mean the casuality/fatality stats we see in the mainstream press may be fudged?
A) Highly likely, yes!

Wake up. No one is claiming Democrats are Gods. The Cheerleader, however, has created an neverending mess abroad, disrupted thousands of retired servicemembers lives by recalling them to active duty and is too dumb/delusional to admit the situation is a horror.

A draft already occurred. Just because it didn't effect you personally doesn't mean it won't somewhere down the road.




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All I know is that both my children are in draft age, and I wonder how many out there are of draft age here in ATS.

Originally posted by Bleys

Originally posted by dgtempe
Know anyone who could be drafted? THEN DONT VOTE BUSH.

This will go into effect immediately if he's re-elected

How do you figure they will go into effect immediately upon Bush's re-election? You know you should really try reading the bills before commenting on them. Both bills were introduced by Democrats! One of them Charlie Rangel and let me assure you Rangel is no friend of Bush.

You keep working that spin.

No, you're the spinster here. This is Bush's war, this is Bush's doing, this is Bush's fault.
Tell it to someone else.

Originally posted by bushblows
Wake up. No one is claiming Democrats are Gods. The Cheerleader, however, has created an neverending mess abroad, disrupted thousands of retired servicemembers lives by recalling them to active duty and is too dumb/delusional to admit the situation is a horror.

A draft already occurred. Just because it didn't effect you personally doesn't mean it won't somewhere down the road.
[edit on 21-9-2004 by bushblows]

There are some on this Board who believe that the Dems will save them from whatever perceived or actual threat there is from the Repubs. That is why I pointed out the fact that the involuntary service bills in committee at this time were put forth by Dems. The Big Two parties in this country are playing politics with the lives of their constituents, yet no one calls BS when it is the Dems that are pulling this crap - look at the responses to this thread so far to a Dem bill. They just have to believe that Bush is responsible somehow.

As to your second point - I am effected personally regardless of whether these Democratic bills pass or not. I have friends serving right now who are being retained and they accept this as part of their enlistment agreement.

Dgtemp: Ignore it all you want - the Dems put forth these bills and all the wishing in the world won't change that fact.

Originally posted by Bleys

Originally posted by bushblows


Dgtemp: Ignore it all you want - the Dems put forth these bills and all the wishing in the world won't change that fact.

I will ignore it.
This will only go into effect immediately IF Bush is re-elected.
Kerry may be no prize, but he sure is against the draft.

Regarless of how this bill is pass and how is the one that wants it is up to us the citizens of this country to make our politicians to stop the madness in Iraq and give that country to the people they have enough oil to pay for fixing that country themself.

Just for you dgtemp:

How a bill becomes a law

Or if you desire a simplified version (its got music and everything):

School House Rock - I'm just a bill

Thank you Marge - you expressed my point much better than I could. Politicians need to be held accountable to the people they represent and we all need to take a much more active role.

Originally posted by Bleys

Originally posted by bushblows
Wake up. No one is claiming Democrats are Gods. The Cheerleader, however, has created an neverending mess abroad, disrupted thousands of retired servicemembers lives by recalling them to active duty and is too dumb/delusional to admit the situation is a horror.

A draft already occurred. Just because it didn't effect you personally doesn't mean it won't somewhere down the road.
[edit on 21-9-2004 by bushblows]

There are some on this Board who believe that the Dems will save them from whatever perceived or actual threat there is from the Repubs. That is why I pointed out the fact that the involuntary service bills in committee at this time were put forth by Dems. The Big Two parties in this country are playing politics with the lives of their constituents, yet no one calls BS when it is the Dems that are pulling this crap - look at the responses to this thread so far to a Dem bill. They just have to believe that Bush is responsible somehow.

As to your second point - I am effected personally regardless of whether these Democratic bills pass or not. I have friends serving right now who are being retained and they accept this as part of their enlistment agreement.

The involuntary recall which occurred over the summer took place because of the Fake Cowboy's war. He has the oil ties. Agree with you - the Dems aren't a cure-all. However - unless Kerry is like, a closet raging madman things can't get any worse. Bear in mind, too, Kerry has military experience.
Like him or not you can't say that about George Bush.

The involuntary recall "effecting you personally" has nothing to do with your friends serving in Iraq. Rather, that's not what I was alluding to.

It will effect you (if you're of age) because it's a precursor to a *bigger* draft of non-military personnel, should The Cheerleader continue his deluded quest abroad. (Which seems highly likely since he's still claiming everythings going according to plan.)

Bush-fanatics refuse to accept this; they spin and dodge and flake-out like dutiful little robots & continually shun this question: how is GB going to get soldiers in the future?


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I am so afraid that taking our young to war to take care of the safety of the population while he Mr. bush already made public that he is allocating money for the safety of the oil fields. Why he seems so eagle into keeping those oil fields safe but the population suffers in the hands of their own people unhappy with the US.

That worries me very much.

If you do a google search on this some pretty interesting things come up. I thought I would post what snopes.com says. Though possible that it could pass it is unlikely:

www.snopes.com...


Draft Fear

Claim: The U.S. military will be reinstating the draft by Spring 2005.

Status: Probably not.


Also, for those of you that insist that this is all Bush's doing here is a site that gives you additional information regarding who started the bill:

homepage.mac.com...

From homepage:


"despite all the abrupt panicked clamor, in blogs from the democratic underground all the way to warren ellis and halfway back, there is not going to be a draft. please to observe at population one . . .

First off, the two bills in question are H.R. 163 and S. 89. The record shows that S. 89 was introduced on 1/7/2003 and was referred to the Committee on Armed Services the same day. H.R. 163 was also introduced on 1/7/2003 and was referred to the Subcommittee on Total Force on 2/3/2003. There has been absolutely no action on either bill since they were referred to committee. "


This is something I will definitly keep up with. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Jemison


Sorry for the edits and the quotes that aren't in quotes. I'm still trying to figure this out!

[edit on 21-9-2004 by Jemison]

Anyone w/ half a brain knows that Rangel introduced this bill for political posturing.

It has zero chance of passing.

Rangel is a democrat. Go figure why he did it.

Anyone who says President Bush is for reinstating the draft is a LIAR.

And thats that.

Bush 57%.....Kerry 42%...Nader 1%.

wanna bet?...

www.truthorfiction.com...

Look at how old this bill is. It's nothing new.

The bills, S.89 and H.R.163 are real.
But they are not new.
An eRumor started circulating in June, 2004 warning that the draft was only a year away.
In reality, these twin bills have existed since 2003 and have never gotten out of committees.
In other words, they are stagnant.
Nobody in Washington seriously expects a draft and certainly not by 2005.
It's known as the "reinstate draft" bill or the "Universal National Service Act of 2003."
The wording of the bill says it is "To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes."
It would require U.S. citizens and other residents, both male and female, between the ages of 18 and 26 to serve two years of "national service."

The reason the bills have gotten attention in 2004 is the military actions in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the war on terrorism.
There has been debate about troop strength in Iraq and the status of all the U.S. Armed Forces.
The U.S. Selective Service, however, says that despite the Internet stories, the agency is not getting ready to conduct a draft.
It says it is ready to do so should the President and Congress decide, but "that responsibility has been ongoing since 1980 and is nothing new."
The Selective Service further says that "...both the President and the Secretary of Defense have stated on more than one occasion that there is no need for a draft for the War on Terrorism or any likely contingency, such as Iraq. Additionally, the Congress has not acted on any proposed legislation to reinstate a draft."

Jemison,

I did the reading and its very interesting, I see why bush is not pushing the draft he does not have too, already he has somebody that has done it for him and on top of that they are democrat so he is not going to be the fall guy.

Also it's funny that from all the members in the senate only one has a child in the military, hummmm funny.

This is a classic garbage bill - nothing more.

dgtempe - you need to leave your liberal bias at the door on this one. As it has been pointed out, the bill was from a DEMOCRAT , NOT a Republican, and certainly not Bush.

...and one of the Senators voting to increase funding for the Selective Service in 2005 is none other than Hilary Clinton.

Tell me now, if there is NOT to be a draft, why increase Selective Service funding