CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 trillion over 10 yrs(double Obama's esitmate)

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Just sounds like "Screw you jack Iam alright"

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It keeps increasing.

This is from March 13 2012
cbo.gov...

We'll be at $2.5 trillion in no time!!! and Obama can't print money fast enough. Hence the big hatchet that he is taking to our military. That money will not be saved, it will just be reallocated...to minimize the shock of Obamacare. The rest will be stripped from our paychecks!!

Originally posted by boymonkey74
I really don't understand so what if it costs alot? (Iam sure the defense budget will cost more) free healthcare is a good thing and also the moral thing for any society to have.
I don't mind paying higher taxes in the UK for the NHS, I care for my fellow human being when they are sick.
If you have a workforce which is not worried about healthcare you will have a workforce that is happy and also not sick.
I read somewhere it can cost upto $15k to give birth to your kids in the US...guess what it costs nothing in the UK.

edit on 13-3-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

WOW. Did you just say that free healthcare is a good thing? And you do realize this post is about the "free" healthcare costing 1.76 trillion dollars for just 10 years?

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What if all of a sudden you get really sick...then you lose your job..you can't get a job because you are sick...your insurance refuses a treatment because unknown to you your insurance didn't cover it?.
If this happened you would be glad of obamacare.
Stop being so selfish and think of others...money is not everything but helping someone who is ill is the right thing to do.

reply to post by jjkenobi


Yes it is a good thing even if it costs twice that, helping the sick is what a decent society should do.
Yes make it as cost effective as possible but isnt it better to spend taxpayers money on medicine or bombs?

Wouldn't you pay 0.02cents more tax in every buck you earn to know you will be taken care off when sick and likewise for everyone else.
Also like I have said we call it free healthcare in the UK because when we goto a doctors we don't get charged, if we have a life saving operation we don't get a bill at the end.
No matter who you are or how much you earn you can get treated without worrying about how to pay the bill or if your insurance will cover the cost of your med's.

(this thread has inspired me to watch Sicko again and Iam as shocked now as the first time I saw it)

Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by METACOMET

 

Not at all, I'm just simply pointing out to the OP that there are more outrageous things to complain about like the War in Afghanistan and "terrorism" which cost U.S tax payers $200 billion dollars in 2009 alone

unless he had an agenda.......

Defense has been part of the budget since America was born. While it's overblown and needs to be cut drastically, defense costs only rise by a couple of billion every year.

But Obamacare is a brand new cost. It's a whole new $110 billion per year expense. It costs something we don't have: money.

/TOA

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by jjkenobi

 

Yes it is a good thing even if it costs twice that, helping the sick is what a decent society should do.
Yes make it as cost effective as possible but isnt it better to spend taxpayers money on medicine or bombs?

Wouldn't you pay 0.02cents more tax in every buck you earn to know you will be taken care off when sick and likewise for everyone else.
Also like I have said we call it free healthcare in the UK because when we goto a doctors we don't get charged, if we have a life saving operation we don't get a bill at the end.
No matter who you are or how much you earn you can get treated without worrying about how to pay the bill or if your insurance will cover the cost of your med's.

(this thread has inspired me to watch Sicko again and Iam as shocked now as the first time I saw it)

edit on 14-3-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

Zero. Clue. Obamacare is not government run healthcare. It is subsidizing insurance companies. It has ZERO to do with the health of U.S. citizens and everything to do with lining the pockets of health insurers.

Free healthcare. Talk about indoctrinated.

/TOA

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Ok my bad then get rid of the insurance companies, put that money (and the money you pay for the insurance) into a National health system.
Heck Iam sure if us Brit's and the Canadians can do it you lot could.

Some little vids for you







Come on Americans sort it out

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by jibeho

 

What if all of a sudden you get really sick...then you lose your job..you can't get a job because you are sick...your insurance refuses a treatment because unknown to you your insurance didn't cover it?.
If this happened you would be glad of obamacare.
Stop being so selfish and think of others...money is not everything but helping someone who is ill is the right thing to do.

I would just go to my county designated Hospital for treatment. Happens all the time. Currently our nation/states offer medicaid. A system that is highly flawed and full of fraud and waste(billions a year). If they can't fix it they will not be able to run Obamacare. Period.

Medicaid is a joint federal-state program that provides health coverage or nursing home coverage to certain categories of low-asset people, including children, pregnant women, parents of eligible children, people with disabilities and elderly needing nursing home care. Medicaid was created to help low-asset people who fall into one of these eligibility categories "pay for some or all of their medical bills."[17]

There are two general types of Medicaid coverage. "Community Medicaid" helps people who have little or no medical insurance. Medicaid nursing home coverage pays all of the costs of nursing homes for those who are eligible except that the recipient pays most of his/her income toward the nursing home costs, usually keeping only $66.00 a month for expenses other than the nursing home.

While Congress and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) set out the general rules under which Medicaid operates, each state runs its own program. Under certain circumstances, an applicant may be denied coverage. As a result, the eligibility rules differ significantly from state to state, although all states must follow the same basic framework.

en.wikipedia.org...

So instead of working and fixing what is currently in place, Obama wanted to reinvent the wheel, disrupt the private markets, introduce Federal Mandates etc. Somehow we are supposed to believe that Obamacare will be absent of of the ills of our other programs. He's created nothing but yet another massive bureaucracy over ridden with red tape and regulation.

Tha Panacea approach is a FAIL. They should have implemented incremental changes and overhaul to our current structure. I already pay enough in taxes and now I'm paying $3000 more a year for my company sponsored healthcare insurance. All because of the uncertainty of how much Obamacare will end up costing everyone.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by jjkenobi

 

Yes it is a good thing even if it costs twice that, helping the sick is what a decent society should do.
Yes make it as cost effective as possible but isnt it better to spend taxpayers money on medicine or bombs?

Wouldn't you pay 0.02cents more tax in every buck you earn to know you will be taken care off when sick and likewise for everyone else.
Also like I have said we call it free healthcare in the UK because when we goto a doctors we don't get charged, if we have a life saving operation we don't get a bill at the end.
No matter who you are or how much you earn you can get treated without worrying about how to pay the bill or if your insurance will cover the cost of your med's.

(this thread has inspired me to watch Sicko again and Iam as shocked now as the first time I saw it)

edit on 14-3-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

Well your belief is fine but calling it FREE is an outright lie. Call it what it is, socialized medicine paid for by the working class.

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That's the problem when you start bringing the insurance companies into it. Not only do they care little for peoples health and well being, they are motivated by creating profit. Profit from the sick. At least in the UK we have managed to keep that middle man out of the equation, for now at least, but who knows what will happen to the NHS after the new reforms are made.

America still spends more of it's GDP on healthcare than most nations and they pay more for their meds than most if not all western countries. But this is what happens when you open up your nations health to private for profit institutions. Only concerned with their bottom line.

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I think the fact it's free at the point of delivery, that is sometimes confusing to others. We all know we pay through tax, but you will never be charged for any service you use, from the ambulance to the GP visit. It's not an ideal system, but seeing as the majority of people will use a hospital for themselves, their families and friends, on more than point in their lives, it seems to make pretty good sense.

Now America in my opinion is a different story as your country is so big, the implementation of something as vast as a national health care system would not be as easy. We are different countries with different histories and these are reflected in our cultural attitudes towards health care.

Originally posted by xuenchen
But we .....

have to ....

pass the bill ...

[arms waving like a maniac]

[cheap street smile while talking]

(youtube caption

Nancy Pelosi said, "But we have to pass the [health care ] bill so that you can find out what is in it."

Do YOU Know Whats in it NOW !!!

I think the SCOTUS will find ObamaCare to be unconstitutional in June 2012.

That will be one less thing to worry about.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by roaland

 

Look no system is perfect but we have to try and make them as cost effective as possible. I can only talk as a person from the UK so we have no state laws our laws cover the whole UK.

edit on 13-3-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

UK is a very small country compared to US both geographically and population. The spreadout of the population is vast due to the size of the country. To be able to Administer a Government Health program would be nothing short of a nightmare with government hospitals/clinics. Not to say that technology can be used to make things easier but it is the corruption at mid-level service providers (private vs government funded service providers) & insurance companies operating within the individual State Laws that will cause the nightmare.

How can you possibly compare UK system vs US? And what about Sarah Palin? You can't even vote for her how do you justify if she is right or wrong for US?

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She is wrong for humanity not just the UK or the US the same for one of our ex MP's Lembit Opik (although he did marry one of the cheeky girls)

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by roaland

 

Look no system is perfect but we have to try and make them as cost effective as possible. I can only talk as a person from the UK so we have no state laws our laws cover the whole UK.

edit on 13-3-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

UK is a very small country compared to US both geographical size and population. How can you possibly compare UK system vs US? And what about Sarah Palin? You can't even vote for her how do you justify if she is right or wrong for US?

Gov. Sarah Palin will show up during the brokered convention.

She looked great during her movie The Undefeated.

Elected twice as major of Wasilla.

Elected Governor of Alaska. Succeeded in forcing the oil companies to drill

and create jobs in Point Thompson, Alaska.

Then she got the natural gas deal done also.

She also threw out the CBC.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by jibeho

 

What if all of a sudden you get really sick...then you lose your job..you can't get a job because you are sick...your insurance refuses a treatment because unknown to you your insurance didn't cover it?.
If this happened you would be glad of obamacare.
Stop being so selfish and think of others...money is not everything but helping someone who is ill is the right thing to do.

It is all good IF the government can balance their budget and spend the money for the so called 'Free Healthcare' instead of not balancing the budget and passing the cost to the middleclass taxpayers. Nothing is for free.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by jjkenobi

 

Yes it is a good thing even if it costs twice that, helping the sick is what a decent society should do.
Yes make it as cost effective as possible but isnt it better to spend taxpayers money on medicine or bombs?

Wouldn't you pay 0.02cents more tax in every buck you earn to know you will be taken care off when sick and likewise for everyone else.

edit on 14-3-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

Ideally it all makes sense. However reality is not as such. War and Defense are necessities in modern times regardless if the services are used for Offense or Defense. Just imagine if UK hadn't invested in Military during WWII.

Didn't UK just passed a law indicating if Immigrants who earn below certain amount will not be allowed in UK?

LINK

Why not keep the immigrants and support their healthcare, unemployment and schooling if they are legal ? After all the UK Government decided to grant them Visa in the first place. Why the hypocricy towards Immigrants?

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by jibeho

 

What if all of a sudden you get really sick...then you lose your job..you can't get a job because you are sick...your insurance refuses a treatment because unknown to you your insurance didn't cover it?.
If this happened you would be glad of obamacare.
Stop being so selfish and think of others...money is not everything but helping someone who is ill is the right thing to do.

It is all good IF the government can balance their budget and spend the money for the so called 'Free Healthcare' instead of not balancing the budget and passing the cost to the middleclass taxpayers. Nothing is for free.

It sure sounds great. Hey Canada, want some free health care?

Um.......okay.......sure.......what could go wrong?

Take a number. Don't like that? Call the Medical Tourism phone number.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by jibeho

 

What if all of a sudden you get really sick...then you lose your job..you can't get a job because you are sick...your insurance refuses a treatment because unknown to you your insurance didn't cover it?.
If this happened you would be glad of obamacare.
Stop being so selfish and think of others...money is not everything but helping someone who is ill is the right thing to do.

It is all good IF the government can balance their budget and spend the money for the so called 'Free Healthcare' instead of not balancing the budget and passing the cost to the middleclass taxpayers. Nothing is for free.

It sure sounds great. Hey Canada, want some free health care?

Um.......okay.......sure.......what could go wrong?

Take a number. Don't like that? Call the Medical Tourism phone number.

I know many who go use the 'Health Tourism'