Newly Discovered Artifacts May Prove Mayans Had Alien Contact!

Originally posted by Furbs
I have a Masters of Art History from Michigan State University.
It is my expert opinion that two things are going on here.

Fantastic!

So your expertise can tell us where these are from based on the style of art.

Right?

1. Reinterpretation of previously interpreted art
2. Outright fraud.

Oh wait... so you don't actually know either... just guessing... Pity that I would have thought an expert in ancient art could identify the style and give us a period at least

For it to be a "Reinterpretation of previously interpreted art" they would have to be real first... and that hasn't been established yet

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Furbs

 

Acquainted with an art degree means you are versed in the conventional. Not the unconventional. I think you are as qualified to form an opinion on this thread as anyone else. The more versed you are in a subject the less likely you are to be able to see outside the box..

I got my masters in AH with research in Mesoamerican rendering of genocidal conflict. I plan to couple it into a Anthropological doctorate as soon as my wife finishes her PhD at University of Oregon. (Two more years.)

It isn't about seeing 'outside of the box'; it is about being able to recognize that box for what it is. How can you even recognize what is outside of the box, if you first don't have a strong understanding of what is inside of the box?

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Actually most people don't believe this. The most cited reasoning was to have them mine gold for them. What purpose is beyond our knowledge even today. Anything we come up with would be pure speculation.

Jaden

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Furbs
I have a Masters of Art History from Michigan State University.
It is my expert opinion that two things are going on here.

Fantastic!

So your expertise can tell us where these are from based on the style of art.

Right?

I've already done so.

Most of them are more than likely complete fabrication.

The one that looks the most authentic (to Mayan culture) is the one that looks like a UFO floating away, though it is a classic depiction of a temple. Mayan art didn't evolve dynamic perspectives like european artists did because of the genocide. Genocide is more than just the death of people, it is the death of culture.

If I had the pieces in my hand, I could certainly give you dates. However, from looking at the pictures.. it is hard to tell. The only one that looks real is probably Late Preclassic.. though an artifact of that age in such good shape would most assuredly be worth more of a look than to simply be put on in5d.com.. so on reflection..

..it is probably fake as well. Just a better one.

reply to post by Furbs

How do you explain the depiction of the rings of saturn in one of those images, is it, the artifact, a forgery, and if not, how could they know about the planetary rings..?

reply to post by Masterjaden


Why do highly advanced aliens from the far depths of space need Mayans to mine gold for them? Wouldn't they, what with their vastly superior technology and advanced science, just use robots or lasers, or finely tuned harmonic gold extractors+tractor beam/warp field generators (obviously if they can cross the vast distances to get here, they have something like that).

What does an alien do with gold anyway? I doubt that the god-king emperor of the alien home world sent them out to collect this shiny metal to fill his coffers for the next galactic war. They probably wouldn't need it for wiring either-I'm sure a civilization that could cross the stars also figured out quantum computing and wireless energy transfer.

I find this thread interesting, yet there is some prejudice within the other community, and that is the paranormal/supernatural. although (talking about angels and demons) there has been plenty of proof of angels as well tribes.tribe.net...

I can do the same thing exactly such as the OP, the only thing is, is that ats can accept little green martins but not inter dimensional entites

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Furbs

 

How do you explain the depiction of the rings of saturn in one of those images, is it, the artifact, a forgery, and if not, how could they know about the planetary rings..?

It is my opinion that it is a forgery.

However, just for the sake of argument, I will entertain the idea that the Mayans knew about Saturn's rings.

As I have stated before in the thread, the Mayans weren't big on foreshortening and perceptive in their art. That is to say, They had a hard time rendering 3D objects in 2D. If the Mayans were to draw Saturn, it would probably have been an overhead view, or perhaps a circle with a single line drawn through it.

The detail in the rings is contemporary. Not only in knowledge, but also in style.

We know about Saturn's rings.
We know how to render Saturn's rings in a way that conveys three dimensions on a two dimensional plane.

The Mayans did not. If they did, they would have made more use of it than in that single image.

Originally posted by Gazrok

Why is there no credible links of these discoveries? Only ancient alien 2012 sites.

Because most likely, they are forgeries.

I agree that these are most likely forgeries like the Ica Stones, however if artifacts that did not fit rational explanation are found, quite often they are stuck in some basement or warehouse like the one in Indian Jones. I think that one was the Smithsonian

A good example is the Baghdad Batteries. They were stuffed in some museum basement until a new curator did house cleaning and found them. That discovery sent shock waves through the Museums because of the possibility of gold artifacts being electroplated. Then we have war in Iraq... and looters... and guess what? Those batteries have been stolen. Now all we have is the story and models made from the original

Ooparts don't usually come with documentation. In this case however, their are too many of them with shady dealings and money making scams involved, just like the Ica Stones

Even if they weren't, there are numerous explanations instead of aliens. For example, many African masks have similar characteristics, so how do we know these images aren't indicative of similar motifs in South America? Without seeing these pieces in other sources though, I'd think them to be highly suspect.

That might be true of some of them... I have seen the same 'mask' in China... but then maybe those are actually representations of Aliens Not sure how you can interpret these any other way;





But the artifacts are TOTALLY USELESS without knowing if they are even real. There is no point debating what the content represents if they are fakes. So they are interesting curiosities until we can get hold of one and send it to a lab.

And I am a little short to meet that $75M price tag

Some of the artifacts do kind of look forge. i am no expert and honestly i hope these are real, but i am h onestly comparing them to other artwork such as the man in the space shuttle..www.forbiddenhistory.info...

Originally posted by Pauligirl
UNAM was then emailed and this was the reply:
“The information on that webpage is FALSE. We have never heard of them before.

We have already sent an email asking to IMEDIATELY REMOVE that text from
that webpage, as we have never done such analysis in our Radiocarbon
laboratory. We are a serious research laboratory.

Tank you for the information”

Pretty sad spelling for an academic group

I guess the question is now, did blossomrivergroup ever have actual possession of the “artifacts” or were they just hoping to find a gullible sucker on the internet with more money than sense?

The Nigerian Email Scam... catches thousands of people annually to the tune of millions of dollars scammed.
"There's a sucker born every minute" - P. T. Barnum

I think I will go with Bonco's idea... and get into the artifact business. All ya need to do is bribe a few academic groups in need of funding

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Their English is much better than my Spanish.

Originally posted by mrmagic

Originally posted by VDJ10
Although an interesting find, i'm leading towards fakes, otherwise these things would be all over the news.

The people who own the majority of what we know as the main stream media, would dismiss this instantly regardless of proof. It happens all the time.
People who believe in Aliens / UFO's are laughed at by our society. Its the way people have been engineered to react due to those in power. Is this not obvious to you?

That statement is not reflective of what really happens in the world. A number of things have been reported by MSM news and later found out to be fakes, hoaxes or errors in scientific discovery.

The reason MSM outlets are weary about touching topics that don't fit in with current models, is because they have been duped in the past and it makes them look outright stupid. No matter the control from vested interest in MSM outlets, journalists and others are looking to break the biggest story possible. That includes anything to do with aliens.

You remember Roswell right? After all, it started in a friggen newspaper. Pheonix lights? On the news.


Missle - UFO off the coast of California? Oh right, on CNN....



NASA Scientist thinks there's evidence of life on a meteor? oh.... FOX News

Noway UFO? Covered by the media www.youtube.com...

People that believe in Aliens are laughed at because they do so from shady, fabricated evidence. Others who look at the topic with a modicum of rationality are not laughed at at all.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

Simple enough. Go through my thread history. You will eventually come across one challenging 2012 believers to produce an example of the Long Count ending after the 13th baktun. Not a single person was able to produce an example. If these people aren't gullible why are they buying into these claims when they can't even prove the most basic claim inherent to all of them?

Well at least the 12 planet or the second sun is real.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by NuminousCosmos
reply to post by Mkoll

 

Perhaps, but why would these 'galactic' travelers come to visit the Mayans? Why would they not have visited the Roman Empire at it's height? Because the Romans documented how they built their mega-structures, or organized their empire, or how they created their sculptures...so there isn't any sport in claiming that Aliens Did It. I just can't see why advanced civilizations from the depths of space would come here to mess with South and Central American primitives, but ignore the rest of the planet.

I just googled "Roman Empire UFO reports" and there were 1.5 million results roughly.

And many stories from the Roman era of what we would call modern UFO reports.

And you were saying?

And did you read any of those to see if they were suppositions and assumptions made on what was said and are you able to a) find the comments in the original language and b) work out if they are hyperbole, misunderstanding of known cosmic events or c) conclude they must be evidence of ET visitation?

Originally posted by NuminousCosmos
I believe these are modern day forgeries. The Mayans could not have known that there were planets with ring systems...and even if 'galactic' visitors came down from the deep depths of the Cosmos just to tell them that Saturn had rings, they also would probably have taught them how to draw better.

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I recently watched a show on TV that told about a tribe in Africa. They have handed down knowledge about a planet that orbits Sirius for generations. It was not discovered by modern astronomers until sometime in the '50s. They say the Star People told them about it and they hold a celebration every time it would pass in front of Sirius (something like every 70 years). How does a primitive tribe have knowledge for over a thousand years of a planet that cannot even be seen with modern telescopes? Modern equipment can only detect it's shadow (by a decrease in the brightness of the star) when it passes by.

(That is the Dogon Tribe of Mali)

Originally posted by RealSpoke
This thread is missing the proof part.

People make art, that isn't proof of anything but creativity.

they just thought up people with space suits, alien eyes, ringed planets and space ships? Could it be a coincidence those things are common themes from cultures around the world? The context is proof they were exposed to those things, I don't know how else you can rationally explain that.

reply to post by DataDoc


The Dogon did not have that (now disproven) 'knowledge' until a european gave it to them in the 1920s. Also, The festival and the orbit do not line up with each other. The festival happens every 60 years (and lasts many years), the orbit is 50 years.

Originally posted by DataDoc

Originally posted by NuminousCosmos
I believe these are modern day forgeries. The Mayans could not have known that there were planets with ring systems...and even if 'galactic' visitors came down from the deep depths of the Cosmos just to tell them that Saturn had rings, they also would probably have taught them how to draw better.

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I recently watched a show on TV that told about a tribe in Africa. They have handed down knowledge about a planet that orbits Sirius for generations. It was not discovered by modern astronomers until sometime in the '50s. They say the Star People told them about it and they hold a celebration every time it would pass in front of Sirius (something like every 70 years). How does a primitive tribe have knowledge for over a thousand years of a planet that cannot even be seen with modern telescopes? Modern equipment can only detect it's shadow (by a decrease in the brightness of the star) when it passes by.

That's very interesting. Can you provide some links and cites for this, I've heard of this before. If true, then it's amazing and clear evidence of ancient aliens visiting our planet.

Originally posted by boncho
Missle - UFO off the coast of California? Oh right, on CNN....

CNN called that chemtrail a missile?

Crap... now we are doomed... no one will ever take them seriously if they show a real alien