Newly Discovered Artifacts May Prove Mayans Had Alien Contact!

Originally posted by NuminousCosmos
reply to post by mrmagic

 

No one here seems to understand what I am getting at...the question is why. Why would aliens come to the Mayans? What purpose would it serve?

Most people who believe in ancient aliens claim that they came here to give man special knowledge or instruction. For example, how to build gigantic funerary monuments, or stone temples, or canal digging, or any other basic necessity for "civilization" to exist. If they were so desirous of teaching us-why not teach us everything? The Mayans had math. The Mayans had written language. They probably could have been taught to build a steam engine at some point in their centuries of existence.

Why not?

Dont get me wrong, I believe you have a valid question and I also dont think anyone can answer it. We can only speculate. I for one dont think they came here to give us mass amounts of information. However they possible came here to give us SOME information which they felt would benefit the people, or give them something to 'worship'?
I mean who wouldnt like to be treated like a god by a species who does not understand fully what they are or where they came from? We all assume they were here with fantastic intentions to help us? Its possible.. that they came here to raise a civilisation to worship them? Who knows..

I just dont think you can really state, that it makes no sence that some information was presented yet other information was not if you see what I mean. It makes sence to me and you obviously, that receiving information on how to make an iphone for example would be beneficial for them, but what good would that be to an alien species if you see what I mean?

Say for example they could not communicate with each other with words, would it be possible to explain those things you mentioned as easily as say showing them an image of a planet?

Originally posted by mrmagic

Really, How do you know this for fact?

I have a Masters of Art History from Michigan State University.

It is my expert opinion that two things are going on here.

1. Reinterpretation of previously interpreted art. (The "UFO" is clearly a temple. Mayans weren't big on foreshortening or 2 point perspective with vanishing points.)

2. Outright fraud.

Most of your post doesn't make a lot of sense. I am not sure what you are trying to get at with your bit about manga. Are you under the impression that the Mayans were into anime?

reply to post by Furbs


Your qualifications only reflect you were 'taught' by someone who told you something. Nothing more. In other words, Iam not of the belief that it credits you more than I simply because you have a piece of paper to say so.

Also, Its not my fault if you arnt reading the entire thread and skim reading. If you decided to read the thread you would see my posts make sence and have been in relation to questions asked. As apposed to just attempting to insult me.

Infact, it was you who brought the topic of Manga into this? Not me..

Also, for the record (non related) Manga, and Anime are two very different things Sir.

Originally posted by Damrod
I'm simply responding to the first post...I have not read the entirety of this thread....I will but I felt a overwhelming need to address this...in my own words and opinions.

You cannot base "proof" on art. Just think...if we had a meltdown of culture and 500 years from now someone dug up "Warhol" paintings, Picasso or Dali....etc...etc...etc. Even Rodin made some pretty serious sculpture...aka...the Gates of Hell....What would they think? In a thousand years will someone think "the gates of Hell" was a real place?

Art is expression...is not generally meant to be literal. I have a hard time following the AA crowd when they start pointing out paintings, glyphs and sculptures as "proof" there was alien intervention. Like the little golden airplanes folks squawk about all the time...they are not airplanes folks...they are representations of flying fish...almost to the "tee"...

art is not proof of anything except imagination.....

Rings of Saturn

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by purplemer

OMG, rings of Saturn, that's amazing! There were no telescopes back then, so how could they know about a planetary ring formation..?!

Originally posted by mrmagic
reply to post by Furbs

 

Your qualifications only reflect you were 'taught' by someone who told you something. Nothing more. In other words, Iam not of the belief that it credits you more than I simply because you have a piece of paper to say so.

Also, Its not my fault if you arnt reading the entire thread and skim reading. If you decided to read the thread you would see my posts make sence and have been in relation to questions asked. As apposed to just attempting to insult me.

Infact, it was you who brought the topic of Manga into this? Not me..

Also, for the record (non related) Manga, and Anime are two very different things Sir.

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You are completely unaware of the original research that goes into a Masters degree, so I will excuse your ignorance. What I will not excuse is the blatant slur about me being the person to bring up something as foul as 'manga'.

Im not sure how I insulted you, but if you feel insulted by what I said, that is something within yourself that you should examine a little more closely.

Ok here's such an interesting question that we should all give alot of focus on

These aliens, both of them, look straight out of hollywood

This could mean one of two things
Hollywood/Pentagon, Let's just call it PentaWood lol, made these
Or
Hollywood decided long long ago knew something and decided to make alien movies that had the genuine "look"

Why do these two aliens look EXACTLY like they do in movies?
If the Mayans had paint would they paint them green too?

Little green men with a massive head and large eyes

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by mrmagic
reply to post by Furbs

 

Your qualifications only reflect you were 'taught' by someone who told you something. Nothing more. In other words, Iam not of the belief that it credits you more than I simply because you have a piece of paper to say so.

Also, Its not my fault if you arnt reading the entire thread and skim reading. If you decided to read the thread you would see my posts make sence and have been in relation to questions asked. As apposed to just attempting to insult me.

Infact, it was you who brought the topic of Manga into this? Not me..

Also, for the record (non related) Manga, and Anime are two very different things Sir.

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You are completely unaware of the original research that goes into a Masters degree, so I will excuse your ignorance. What I will not excuse is the blatant slur about me being the person to bring up something as foul as 'manga'.

Im not sure how I insulted you, but if you feel insulted by what I said, that is something within yourself that you should examine a little more closely.

Iam not insulted. Iam also very uninterested in your masters degree. I do not see that as a valid form of claiming that you know something which happened so long ago as 'fact'. The way I see it, without being there for yourself, no one could claim it as fact. Just because you have read about something in a book or on wikipedia does not mean you know this for fact. Not in THIS regard.

You also sound like an old art teacher I knew of from School; using the term 'foul as 'manga'' - It makes me laugh. What gives you the right to insult another persons form of expression? Just because it does not tick the boxes on your University essays or something? Lets just keep in mind who started up the standardised educational system you run in America shall we. In an attempt to de-rail this thread, or insult me. You have failed more than twice.

Let us continue on with the topic in hand shall we?

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Odds are good that these (the actual artifacts not the frauds) were actually painted. Many of what we consider 'ancient sculptures' took multiple coats of pigment on them. Egyptians were the most lifelike of those using paint. The Greeks and Romans both preferred gaudy colors. The pristine marble sculptures we know today probably resembled modern-day depictions of drag queens (at least as far as makeup and clothing colors go).

I will not say 100% that they were painted, but I am confident that we will eventually find some relics with paint fragments not dissolved by time.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Why are there no credible sources of these discoveries?

Only ancient alien 2012 sites.


Who make money off gullibles

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Who make money off gullibles

Could you provide Prove please on your claims?

reply to post by mrmagic


No, or course not..

I see where you are coming from, I apologize.

Silly me.. thinking that my advanced degree in the history of art would be relevant in a thread about ancient art.

+1 to you for denying ignorance.

Let's see..

Thus far in this thread..

You have claimed that I brought up manga.
* I corrected you, and you do not acknowledge.
You have both claimed that I have and have not insulted you.
* You have not given any actual reasons how I have insulted you.
You have asked how I can say that I am certain of my ideas.
* I tell you my credentials.
** You insult my credentials on multiple occasions.
You tell me I am derailing the thread.
*You continue to talk about manga.
*You continue to insult me for being an American.

One of us is bringing relevant information into this thread, giving expert opinion based on not only years of individual research, but also an equivalent and appropriate degree from an internationally accredited university.

The other is you.

Either bring something to the thread that is worth reading other than, "You know what would be cool?? ALIENS!", or shut up. The signal to noise ratio coming from your posts is far to great for anything you have to say to be at all relevant.

And, you know what gives me the right to my opinion about Manga?

The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Simple enough. Go through my thread history. You will eventually come across one challenging 2012 believers to produce an example of the Long Count ending after the 13th baktun. Not a single person was able to produce an example. If these people aren't gullible why are they buying into these claims when they can't even prove the most basic claim inherent to all of them?

I'd love to know the origin of these pieces.

Between this stuff and father Crespi's collection they raise a lot of questions.

I'm keeping an open mind.

We now know that blue planets like ours are not all that rare, and with our galaxy being as young as it is there could easily be civilizations that are millions of years ahead of us tech wise.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Interesting idea but I didn't live back then....I have no idea what was visible to the naked eye before atmospheric pollution and what was not....

maybe...before we started belching fire and brimstone into the "heavens" (atmosphere...co2) we could see Saturn's rings...hell I have no idea...but I still have a hard time buying there was some great benefactor that gave us rocks to throw at the enemy instead of advanced weaponry....there is no alien intervention...if they did visit and this is all we got...next time...just shoot them in the face...they suck.....they did not help anyone but the few and elite....

if they really wanted to help...they should have given technology to the masses...not a single individual to exploit and profit from...aka...Steve jobs, Microsoft...etc.....

Just kidding...we are some clever critters....we did this ourselves....we did not need "alien" intervention....to think we did is treacherous....teetering on traitorous....we don't need them....we just need to wake up and be what we can be....

giving credit for our cleverness to an outside source is sickness...there is a psycological term for it but I don't recall what it is...it has something to do with feeling unworthy...

"We" made this world and we rule it....we should be better stewards and we should be nicer to each other...BUT...we don't need no stinking aliens....screw them...if they are here, they suck and they have failed....now make it right or go back whence thou has come....fail aliens....

Originally posted by FurbsNo, or course not..

I see where you are coming from, I apologize.

Silly me.. thinking that my advanced degree in the history of art would be relevant in a thread about ancient art.

+1 to you for denying ignorance.

Let's see..

Thus far in this thread..

You have claimed that I brought up manga.
* I corrected you, and you do not acknowledge.
You have both claimed that I have and have not insulted you.
* You have not given any actual reasons how I have insulted you.
You have asked how I can say that I am certain of my ideas.
* I tell you my credentials.
** You insult my credentials on multiple occasions.
You tell me I am derailing the thread.
*You continue to talk about manga.
*You continue to insult me for being an American.

One of us is bringing relevant information into this thread, giving expert opinion based on not only years of individual research, but also an equivalent and appropriate degree from an internationally accredited university.

The other is you.

Either bring something to the thread that is worth reading other than, "You know what would be cool?? ALIENS!", or shut up. The signal to noise ratio coming from your posts is far to great for anything you have to say to be at all relevant.

And, you know what gives me the right to my opinion about Manga?

The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

I have re-read this thread and it appears you are correct, The member 'Indellkoffer' brought the topic of Manga up, Sorry for that.

I did not state you insulted me. I said "attempting to insult me" going by the means of your wording. You were trying to be funny with the "I think mayans like anime" or something along those lines. As apposed to discussing the topic, you said that my posts made no sense, I disagree.

You did not say you were certain of your ideas, or it was to your opinion. I asked how you would know this for a FACT. You said because you have a qualification which to me, does not automatically show me any facts? Iam to take your word for this why exactly? I could tell you Iam a time travellor from the mayan times and I drew those.. without a fact its of no use to the conversation. I was simply stating one should not class every person from said geographical location to a certain art. I have also given several examples on what I mean with that.

You are de-railing this thread as you have continued to reply to this. Hopefully now you will see where Iam coming from and we can continue on? I also did not insult anyone for being American? If I did then Iam sorry. What I said was, Keep in mind where the standardised american education system came from.

Again you have given nothing to this thread with relation to your university. Again your university is not reconised by me, We dont have rights like yours in the country Iam from (Very similar but we dont continue to repeat them every 2 minutes) so again, this means nothing to me. However just because you have the right to insult other methods of art, I dont feel you should? Obviously though we differ on opinions there, which brings my point back, that we are all individual and you cannot group people together and state, "Its not real because it should be drawn in a certain way."

Are you are attempting to upset me? (Note this is a question not a statement) If this is the case it will not work. Iam only here to rational conversations. As apposed to "I have a degree in art so I know for a fact that its not real because they wouldnt draw like that." You are only on passing information on to which you have been told was my point, and the point I ensure to remind every univeristy student who likes to 'chuck' their qualifications in peoples faces.

Originally posted by mrmagic
Your qualifications only reflect you were 'taught' by someone who told you something. Nothing more. In other words, Iam not of the belief that it credits you more than I simply because you have a piece of paper to say so.

You've got to be kidding. A formal education in any field is clearly an indication that someone has a leg up in said field than the average Joe. Would you have me believe that just because I have a degree in architecture and nearly 30 years as a professional in the field that I am no more qualified than you to design a building? Anyone who thinks that would be a fool. This is the problem with ATS, people with absolutely no qualifications of any kind think they can render "expert" opinions on any topic and that their opinion carries as much weight and credibility as a true expert's does. This thread is a classic example, where are the experts coming forward to state that these supposed artifacts are genuine? All we have are a bunch of dreamy-eyed believers wanting them to be real. But that doesn't make it so. Maybe they are, but I'm not buying in until a legitimate expert weighs in that can verify the age of these artifacts and the provenance. Without that they're meaningless because they could have been made yesterday by some UFO nut.

reply to post by Damrod

I agree, and they can all go home and don't belong here to begin with, but, that doesn't alter the evidence that indeed at various times in the distant past, and even more recently, that they've been here. I don't like them or want them either, that has nothing to do with the evidence, and no, they (the Mayans) would not have been able to see saturn's rings even with no pollution.

Originally posted by mrmagic

Are you are attempting to upset me? (Note this is a question not a statement) If this is the case it will not work. Iam only here to rational conversations. As apposed to "I have a degree in art so I know for a fact that its not real because they wouldnt draw like that." You are only on passing information on to which you have been told was my point, and the point I ensure to remind every univeristy student who likes to 'chuck' their qualifications in peoples faces.

Who are you going to be having these rational conversations with? Certainly not someone with an advanced degree in the subject of the thread. That much you have made PAINFULLY obvious.

Keep mucking about in the dirt, even a monkey throwing poop hits the target once in a while.

When you are ready to have your rational conversation, I'll be here.

reply to post by Furbs


Acquainted with an art degree means you are versed in the conventional. Not the unconventional. I think you are as qualified to form an opinion on this thread as anyone else. The more versed you are in a subject the less likely you are to be able to see outside the box..