New Footage 9/11 Second Tower Explosion Incredibly Clear Video From Helicopter - Where Is The Plane?

Keep telling yourself that you are winning the war chief!

New York Times / CBS News pollsThe first 9/11 poll carried out by the New York Times and CBS News was conducted in May 2002. The same 9/11 related question was asked again in April 2004 and October 2006. The 2002 and 2006 polls were apparently published for the first time not by CBS or the NYTimes, but by polling researcher AngusReid.com The 2004 NY/Times CBS poll is available at NYTimes.com (Question 77).

The 2004 poll was conducted by telephone with 1024 adults nationwide in the US, with a 3% margin of error.[8] The 2006 poll was conducted by telephone on 983 randomly-selected citizens of the United States, with a 4% margin of error.[9] One of the questions was the following:

"When it comes to what they knew prior to September 11th, 2001, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?"
May 2002 responses: 21% said "telling the truth", 65% said they are "mostly telling the truth but hiding something", 8% said they are "mostly lying", 6% not sure.
3/30-4/1/04 CBS 24% said "telling the truth", 58% said they are "mostly telling the truth but hiding something", 14% said they are "mostly lying", 4% not sure.
4/8/04 CBS 21% said "telling the truth", 66% said they are "mostly telling the truth but hiding something", 10% said they are "mostly lying", 4% not sure.
4/23-27/04 24% said "telling the truth", 56% said they are "mostly telling the truth but hiding something", 16% said they are "mostly lying", 4% not sure.
Oct 2006 responses: 16% said "telling the truth", 53% said they are "mostly telling the truth but hiding something", 28% said they are "mostly lying", 3% not sure.
New York Times / CBS News have conducted a number of polls on the Iraq War that have included the question:

"Was Saddam personally involved in 9/11?"[10]
April 2003 responses: 53% said Yes, 38% said No.
October 2005 responses: 33% said Yes, 55% said No.
September 2006 responses: 31% said Yes, 57% said No.
September 2007 responses: 33% said Yes, 58% said No.

en.wikipedia.org...

you seem to have a short memory for facts
this will be the third time I have shot down that particular obfuscation
just so you know I'll keep the page in my favourites just for when you use it on the next page again

Originally posted by Danbones

...in point number four like in similarly threatened Cranahan's "crash" the plane goes off course for no explained reason...it just went off course and went boom
so
you have proved nothing again
like in your posts one and two...where you must have known the references were no good before you even posted them...just like you must have read point number 4 above before you posted

Yeah, before putting your foot any farther in your mouth you may want to read the report. 2 1/2 mile visibility, Icing conditions, blown IFR approach...

Yep, you got me. Dick Cheney struck them down, pilot error is unheard of under those conditions.

Democrats twice as likely [as Republicans] to die in plane crashes
(link at site)

Was Wellstone assassinated?

The first question really was, how could anyone be crazy enough NOT to ask the question seriously? It has become quite fashionable to heap instant disdain and superior ridicule on any talk of foul play and conspiracy in high places as a sign of "mania" or "paranoia", but as some have pointed out, the fact that so many people were quick to raise suspicions is nothing but a healthy sign, regardless of what the story turns out to be! Perhaps the public is starting to wake up to reality and understand, "it DOES happen here"? What is undeniable is that politics by airplane crash is an old tradition and has been practiced around the world. Many people quickly recalled other shady "accidents" from the past. Some pointed out by Mike Ruppert:

Rep. Hale Boggs, D-La., was killed in 1972 and had been an outspoken member of the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of JFK. Various sources reported that he had openly expressed doubts about the commission's findings.

Rep. Jerry Litton, D-Mo., was killed while campaigning for a U.S. Senate seat from Missouri nearly two months before the 1976 election. This was exactly the same fate that was to befall Missouri Democratic Gov. Mel Carnahan twenty-four years later.

Rep. Larry McDonald, D-Ga. and the national chairman of the John Birch Society and creator of a private intelligence operation called Western Goals, was killed on KAL 007 after it had mysteriously veered off course on a flight to South Korea and ventured several hundred miles into Soviet territory. The plane was shot down by the Soviet air force. At the time, McDonald's Western Goals was being exposed in an LAPD intelligence scandal linked to massive domestic spying, the CIA and covert operatives like Gen. John Singlaub.

Rep. Larkin Smith, D-Miss. was killed in a private plane crash in 1989. At the time he had been working with veterans of U.S. Army Special Forces looking into the deaths of five Green Beret colonels, all of whom had been connected to a covert CIA drug operation known as Watchtower. [Details of Smith's death are included in the FTW package "The Tyree Papers."]

Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown, a Democrat, was killed in a plane crash in Croatia on April 3, 1996. There are many unresolved mysteries with this incident, not the least of which is a color photograph of a post mortem Brown, which is frequently displayed by comedian/activist Dick Gregory, clearly showing a bullet wound in the back of his skull.

John Tower, a recently retired Republican senator from Texas known for his heavy drinking, was writing a book about the Iran-Contra affair when he was killed in a plane crash in 1991. Tower had reportedly been extremely unhappy when he had been denied an appointment as secretary of defense by President George Herbert Walker Bush. Tower had also been the chairman of a Reagan-appointed independent commission investigating Iran-Contra.

In a recent investigative piece at FTW, Ruppert draws the following conclusions, which are supported by other researchers:

• icing or adverse weather conditions were not to blame.
• pilot error was very unlikely. Two very experienced pilots were on board.
• the King Air 100 is a remarkably reliable and safe aircraft.

Also, Ruppert reports off-the-record Congressional sources who believe Wellstone was murdered.

It should be remembered that Wellstone also was the chairman of the new securities reform committee. And it was Wellstone who was attempting to block the nomination of the notorious William Webster, former CIA and FBI head and the Best Friend of Big Business and the Big Accounting Firms, to be the new chairman of the SEC/ Accounting "Oversight" Commission. If the Republicans wanted to take anybody out, this was THE guy.
-- Al Martin (Iran-Contra whistleblower) www.almartinraw.com/column77.html

Sherman Skolnick - the Secret History of Airplane Sabotage
www.skolnicksreport.com/shistory.html

How Very Convenient... by John Bottoms


It has become standard technique for debunkers of conspiracy theories to counter with the coincidence theory. The coincidence theory assumes that if an act or series of acts seemingly benefits certain individuals and ideologies, it's all explainable as random chance or an act of God.
I'm sure that the unelected President Dubya's Christian base firmly believe that God himself is felling Democrats from the sky with righteous anger. Mel Carnahan, JFK Junior, Paul Wellstone. No doubt, God himself also mailed the anthrax to Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy.
The obvious comparisons to the death of Mel Carnahan, the Missouri Democrate

..etc
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reply to post by Danbones


The "untrue" part is right there, the first sentences in the snippet you posted:

Why are they hiding audiotapes of FAA and NORAD controllers? Why are they hiding videotapes of whatever hit the Pentagon? Why are they hiding the black boxes? Why did they destroy most of the forensic evidence which appears to show that three buildings at the World Trade Center were brought down by thermite demolition charges?

There are no audiotapes being "hidden".

There are no videotapes being "hidden".

There are no "black boxes" being "hidden".

There was no "destruction of forensic evidence".

And it is simply absurd to attempt to beat that dead, dead "thermite"horse.

Originally posted by Danbones
Democrats twice as likely [as Republicans] to die in plane crashes

Maybe Republicans are better pilots?

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by Danbones

 

The "untrue" part is right there, the first sentences in the snippet you posted:

Why are they hiding audiotapes of FAA and NORAD controllers? Why are they hiding videotapes of whatever hit the Pentagon? Why are they hiding the black boxes? Why did they destroy most of the forensic evidence which appears to show that three buildings at the World Trade Center were brought down by thermite demolition charges?

There are no audiotapes being "hidden".

There are no videotapes being "hidden".

well you sure backed your self up again

There are no "black boxes" being "hidden".

There was no "destruction of forensic evidence".

And it is simply absurd to attempt to beat that dead, dead "thermite"horse.

Of all major U.S. airline crashes within the U.S. investigated and published by the National Transportation Safety Board during the past 20 years, the 9/11 'black boxes' are virtually the only ones without listed inventory control serial numbers.

NTSB American Airlines flight 77 flight data recorder report, not noting a device serial number:

www.911myths.com...

NTSB United Airlines flight 93 flight data recorder report, not noting a device serial number:

911blogger.com...

Here’s some of what we know about the video surveillance evidence:

1. The FBI has in its possession 85 video tapes from that day – some not belonging to the military – even though no tapes were initially admitted to.

2. In 2002, five frames of video were released that did nothing to clear up the confusion. The frames showed a blur that appeared too small to be a 757 followed by a large explosion and fireball. The government contended that no other video existed. But that lie didn’t last.

3. There were Freedom of Information Act requests for the surveillance video but they were denied. First, there were no tapes that corresponded to the requests, then there were but they couldn’t be released because of the legal case against Zaccarias Moussaoui, and finally they were deemed “exempt from disclosure” by the Department of Justice.

4. In 2006, more video was released from the same angle as the 2002 frames. This did nothing to prove that a 757 had hit the building, instead just adding to the controversy.

Then there’s the issue of the confiscated tapes. Attendant Jose Velasquez from the Citgo gas station across the street from the Pentagon has stated that the FBI arrived within minutes of the Pentagon event and confiscated footage from the station’s surveillance camera. Velasquez was quoted as saying that the footage should have shown the alleged impact. In 2006, footage taken at the station was released showing nothing conclusive.

Other video footage was confiscated from the nearby Sheraton National Hotel, the Doubletree Hotel in Arlington, Va., and the Virginia Department of Transportation. The Doubletree tape was later released. It showed the explosion but no airliner.

And what about the internal cameras from the Pentagon? We never hear about those. We know there was major damage and loss of life in the A wing, two wings deeper into the building than the C ring hole where the plane allegedly stopped. Wouldn’t this footage explain what happened in the A ring? But they don’t release it – or even acknowledge its existence.

And you believers don’t find this suspicious?

The 9/11 Commission could have subpoenaed any or all of the tapes in the government’s possession to clear up the question, but they didn’t. They clearly did not want to show us anything. And they got away with it.

It just strikes me that any reasonable person would agree that all tapes should be released. The idea that no cameras captured any images of the plane is just not credible. And we all have to stop making excuses for those who are continuing to lie to us.

truthandshadows.wordpress.com...

no serial numbers
no video
it never stops with you does it?

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot

Originally posted by Danbones
Democrats twice as likely [as Republicans] to die in plane crashes

Maybe Republicans are better pilots?

edit on 18-3-2012 by Drunkenparrot because: (no reason given)

well i can see whay you didn't reference that opinion with links

Correct me if I am wrong, but from that point of view, wouldnt the plane be flying torwards the camera and therefore be hidden behind the tower, which is level with the plane?

Originally posted by Petest205
Is the commentator on Ketamine or something?! She just watched as the second tower exploded and didn't even react!! Then after about 10 seconds, gives out a wow, the kind of wow you give when you hear that your neighbour is dead.

I have come to page 5 and the same question keeps coming up over and over so I am answering this. She was on air, but you are only hearing the side of the conversation from the reporter in the helicopter, she most likely had in an ear piece, therefore your not hearing the in studio reporter that she is speaking to. Other videos of this footage have both sides of the conversation. This is WNBC for those who are curious.

She never saw a plane, whether or not vantage point was an issue I do not know, but she never saw a plane. You are able to see a plane which looks more like a mirage throughout the entire video footage from this camera (In studio) but the mirage looking plane seems to disappear into the tower long before the explosion in this footage, which is where it differs from other footage of the event. But again, distance is difficult to tell in this footage.

Which can mean anything.

reply to post by Dustytoad


Its not like there were people in NY who actually saw it.

Originally posted by IamAbeliever
reply to post by ProudBird

 

Let me ask you something. Were you there? I was. That is not what I saw. The landing gear I saw was completely intact. It wasn't one dusty wheel. It was an entire, fully intact, PRISTINE set of four, not one but four, wheels.

Prove you were there.
How far away were you, are you sure you didn't just see one of the military aircraft that were flying around to add confusion to what will later become "eyewitness testimony"?.

Originally posted by ProudBird
There was no "destruction of forensic evidence".

Are you really sure about that ?

"Some 185,101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from Ground Zero. Most of the steel has been recycled as per the city's decision to swiftly send the wreckage to salvage yards in New Jersey. The city's hasty move has outraged many victims' families who believe the steel should have been examined more thoroughly. Last month, fire experts told Congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage.

N.Y. Daily News, 4/16/02

The Chinese firm Baosteel purchased 50,000 tons at a rate of $120 per ton

According to the official FEMA report, only 146 pieces of steel were saved for future study (!)

The Disposal trucks were also equipped with GPS tracking to ensure destinations were reached without deviation, following an incident where 250 tons were stolen. 911research.wtc7.net...

I think it's all too easy to say no "destruction of forensic evidence", I disagree.

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

Yes, they all have the second "impact" removed. Why?

Is that all a coincidence? I think not.

Every single one of them, "impact" removed!

Like we can believe someone that CAN'T even spot a plane in the video he says has no plane

reply to post by digitalf


That was purely a business decision, not a "cover-up".

The scrap steel had value. And, there are still tons and tons of debris from the "Ground Zero" clean-up located on Staten Island, in the Fresh Kills Landfill.

reply to post by Danbones


Sigh.....

Compare the actual NTSB official document (that you linked to, and how can you see the real deal, and still maintain that is is "false"???)

Compare that to any other official NTSB Accident Report. Like this one:

www.ntsb.gov...

Find the FDR "serial number" in the one above.


This is yet another red-herring tactic of the so-called "truth movement", and indicates a complete misunderstanding of reality.

Originally posted by Danbones

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot

Originally posted by Danbones
Democrats twice as likely [as Republicans] to die in plane crashes

Maybe Republicans are better pilots?

edit on 18-3-2012 by Drunkenparrot because: (no reason given)

well i can see whay you didn't reference that opinion with links

I dunno, I've got a father/son team of ex-president's as well as a former United States Navy Fighter Weapons School instructor turned congressman turned federal inmate.

Judging by your own standard of criteria, the Duke Cunningham's NFWS association as an instructor proves without question that republicans are better pilots than democrats.

After all, he's Topgun expert!

George H.W. before...


...And after getting up close and personal with the Imperial Japanese Navy.


LTJG Bush immediately prior to being rescued by the submarine U.S.S. Finback. Both the aircraft's gunner and radio operator were killed. George H.W. ended the war just-short of 60 combat missions as a naval aviator.

Everybody knows who this guy is....

George W. was actually a fighter pilot with the Air National Guard flying supersonic F-102 interceptors in the late 60's/early seventies.

Danbones, this one is all about you...

Randall "Duke" Cunningham was a Vietnam ace, NFWS graduate and later instructor who successfully ran for congress untill he resigned in disgrace and was sentenced to prison.

Get this Danbones, it turns out that he used his clout as a famous naval aviator to gain trust then he lied to a lot of people so he could make some extra money.

Have you ever heard of such crazinous, after all he was a Topgun expert with a perfect record!

Correct me if I am wrong, but from that point of view, wouldnt the plane be flying torwards the camera and therefore be hidden behind the tower, which is level with the plane?

Originally posted by Alfie1
Do you not see the illogicality of citing people who have self-evidently said what they want, indeed have gone public over it, in support of the proposition that there are secret shadow government killers going around threatening death ?

You obviously don't understand what's going on, so let me make it clear to you:

Take a look at this NASA Files TV documentary, Part 2 from about 6:10 into this interview former NASA employee Donna Hare explained that some Shadow Government agent looking dudes came and told her that it was not a good idea for her to talk openly about what she knows, and she also said that her phone was tapped and that she was followed by these Shadow Government agent looking dudes...
Take a look at this TV documentary were Cliff Stone and Bob Dean are interviewed, and there Cliff Stone explained that a Shadow Government agent looking dude came and threatened Cliff Stone by pointing a gun at Cliff Stone's head saying >>Look, we can make it look like a training accident if you don't keep your mouth shut!What are you gonna say in there?>I'M GONNA SAY A LOT!!!Oh, some of these socalled witnesses are dead, while the rest of the witnesses are still alive! What the heck is going on here??? Why the heck are the rest of the witnesses still alive??? It doesn't make sense!!!

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot

Originally posted by Danbones

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot

Originally posted by Danbones
Democrats twice as likely [as Republicans] to die in plane crashes

Maybe Republicans are better pilots?

edit on 18-3-2012 by Drunkenparrot because: (no reason given)

well i can see whay you didn't reference that opinion with links

I dunno, I've got a father/son team of ex-president's as well as a former United States Navy Fighter Weapons School instructor turned congressman turned federal inmate.

Judging by your own standard of criteria, the Duke Cunningham's NFWS association as an instructor proves without question that republicans are better pilots than democrats.

After all, he's Topgun expert!

George H.W. before...

...And after getting up close and personal with the Imperial Japanese Navy.

LTJG Bush immediately prior to being rescued by the submarine U.S.S. Finback. Both the aircraft's gunner and radio operator were killed. George H.W. ended the war just-short of 60 combat missions as a naval aviator.

Everybody knows who this guy is....

George W. was actually a fighter pilot with the Air National Guard flying supersonic F-102 interceptors in the late 60's/early seventies.

Danbones, this one is all about you...

Randall "Duke" Cunningham was a Vietnam ace, NFWS graduate and later instructor who successfully ran for congress untill he resigned in disgrace and was sentenced to prison.

Get this Danbones, it turns out that he used his clout as a famous naval aviator to gain trust then he lied to a lot of people so he could make some extra money.

Have you ever heard of such crazinous, after all he was a Topgun expert with a perfect record!

edit on 18-3-2012 by Drunkenparrot because: Sp

is he one of the top guns on our thread
NO
by that standard after being shot down on your first two posts you and every other OSer should be in jail

next
jeez

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by digitalf

 

That was purely a business decision, not a "cover-up".

The scrap steel had value. And, there are still tons and tons of debris from the "Ground Zero" clean-up located on Staten Island, in the Fresh Kills Landfill.

Tobad they didn't do it right in the first place

rchers found 20 potential human remains from the World Trade Center during a sifting operation at the former Fresh Kills landfill yesterday.
Forensic anthropologists will determine if DNA tests are warranted on the potential remains, discovered among some 844 cubic yards of debris excavated around Ground Zero.

The news was issued in a one-line email from the city's Office of the Medical Examiner, part of a daily report that will mark the efforts to identify more victims of the terrorist attacks over the next three months.

NO REMAINS FOR 979
Dennis McKeon, executive director of the Great Kills-based Where To Turn, said, "It's good news," that the search might yield more remains, but noted the overall process continues to stigmatize the families.

"It's disheartening. It's great that they will sift through it, but it should have been done nine years ago when the process started and it will just tear up families members again. "Why not do it properly the first time instead of dragging it out? They've spent millions of dollars on a company that is supposed to have a new process that would extract DNA and identify all the remains of people since 9/11 and results have been few and far between."

To date, no remains have been found for 979 of the 2,752 victims of the attack

www.silive.com...