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Originally posted by Lulzaroonie
The Bible was written by a group of men who sought to keep the masses in line. And why not? There is a man who promises eternal life in the kingdom of heaven if you follow set rules. If you don't, Satan is tempting you, and you will suffer damnation.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.- Ephesians 2:8-9
Protestant Reformation
The Protestant Reformation was a 16th-century split within Western Christianity initiated by Martin Luther, John Calvin and other early Protestants. The efforts of the self-described "reformers", who objected to ("protested") the doctrines, rituals and ecclesiastical structure of the Roman Catholic Church, led to the creation of new national Protestant churches.
Start of the Reformation
In 1516, Johann Tetzel, a Dominican friar and papal commissioner for indulgences, was sent to Germany by the Roman Catholic Church to sell indulgences to raise money to rebuild St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. Roman Catholic theology stated that faith alone, whether fiduciary or dogmatic, cannot justify man; justification rather depends only on such faith as is active in charity and good works (fides caritate formata) can justify man. The benefits of good works could be obtained by donating money to the church.
Luther: Justification by Faith
The first and chief article is this: Jesus Christ, our God and Lord, died for our sins and was raised again for our justification (Romans 3:24–25). He alone is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29), and God has laid on Him the iniquity of us all (Isaiah 53:6). All have sinned and are justified freely, without their own works and merits, by His grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, in His blood (Romans 3:23–25). This is necessary to believe. This cannot be otherwise acquired or grasped by any work, law or merit. Therefore, it is clear and certain that this faith alone justifies us ... Nothing of this article can be yielded or surrendered, even though heaven and earth and everything else falls (Mark 13:31).
Originally posted by Vsc1981
I know whats been said about Jesus. But its like being in a relationship with somebody your in love with. If they cheat on you and you separate and maybe 6 months down the road you decide your still in love and want to be with them then you start dating again obviously you forgave them. And you basically have to forget about what happened to have a relationship again. So what Jesus did He answered for. And just like He answered for His we will ours. Its not about what He did before He was crucified its about He died for our sins and He will be back for those that believe before we're destroyed with the earth.
Originally posted by Vsc1981
No i love care about every human and every creature upon this earth. No matter religion or race or gender. Its not about that. And if you haven't felt Jesus then maybe you could try to find Him. I'm not trying to push nothing on you its just a suggestion. And if you choose not to then I'm sure He'll come tugging on you one day. I don't want anybody to be against me here I'm just looking to have people thinking of the what could be. You know how would this make me feel if i did this? For example: what if i got on my knees and prayed how would i feel? Would it make me different towards Jesus? What if i tried to read the bible? Would i start reading it on a daily basis? What if i went to church this Sunday? Would i go next Sunday? Just the what if's. It can't hurt to try so why not thats why i started this thread. And I'm calling peoples beliefs or religion ignorant. I'm calling the name calling and down talking on me ignorant. Thats just not fair in so many ways.
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I am an AGNOSTIC...but I know my History. There was once a Spring Solstace Holiday and Festival of fertility...Pagan in nature called the The Holiday of ESTER. The Christians changed it to EASTER.
Ever wonder what Baskets filled with grass and eggs and chicks and bunnies has to do with Jesus Christ?....ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
Originally posted by Vsc1981
SNIP
But if i can get one person to think just think about Jesus then i feel better. Not change your beliefs or religion but just think aboutHim and what he went through for our sins. I'm sorry if I've offended anybody.
Originally posted by Lulzaroonie
It is a well known fact that the biblical canon was put together by the Council of Trent, they decided on which books went into the testaments, they decided that the books that are more in following with the others would be kept in, and the Apocryphal books would be removed (because they contained the notion that Jesus had a wife, and children, among other things)
Biblical Canon: early Church Fathers
A four-gospel canon (the Tetramorph) was asserted by Irenaeus in the following quote: "It is not possible that the gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For, since there are four quarters of the earth in which we live, and four universal winds, while the church is scattered throughout all the world, and the 'pillar and ground' of the church is the gospel and the spirit of life, it is fitting that she should have four pillars breathing out immortality on every side, and vivifying men afresh… Therefore the gospels are in accord with these things… For the living creatures are quadriform and the gospel is quadriform… These things being so, all who destroy the form of the gospel are vain, unlearned, and also audacious; those [I mean] who represent the aspects of the gospel as being either more in number than as aforesaid, or, on the other hand, fewer."
Originally posted by outwired
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edit on 13-3-2012 by outwired because: cookies.
Originally posted by Vsc1981
Everybody has different interpretations of the bible. Its extremely common. However you can't take from the bible meaning take words out of it or add to the bible meaning add more words to it. There is to many things mentioned in the bible that point to the times we're living in now. So I'm sticking to my guns. And i believe in our lifetime we will see the wrath of God. Its in my bones i can feel it. I'm not i know the is going to end just that something big is coming and i want to be right when it does. I'm an educated person and I'm fairly smart. I've got more than enough common sense. I didn't start this thread for no reason. I wanted to make a difference and try to do my part. And i honestly don't care what people think about me and my efforts. It all comes with the territory and i more than accept that. So if you want to bash me your not the first obviously. This isn't for fun I'm not sitting here giggling. Otherwise wouldn't waste my time if i didn't think it to be important.
Originally posted by WhoKnows100
Originally posted by Vaehne
However, before I do sign off I just wanted to state that I have not read The DaVinci Code, nor have I seen the film, so this is not where I received this notion.
Originally posted by Vaehne
You are indeed correct in saying that the Council did not actually sit down and write out exactly which books were to be accepted into the canon of the New Testament, but they did decide which principles upon Christianity would be based. I do not think that it can really be questioned that, at the very least, Constantine changed Christianity as it was known at the time. While Constantine may not have chosen every book in the New Testament, he did make it clear which of the Gospels he deemed acceptable for inclusion in the Biblical canon: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. He did so by commissioning fifty (I believe it was) copies of a Christian Bible to be printed including only those four.
Biblical Canon: early Church Fathers
A four-gospel canon (the Tetramorph) was asserted by Irenaeus in the following quote: "It is not possible that the gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For, since there are four quarters of the earth in which we live, and four universal winds, while the church is scattered throughout all the world, and the 'pillar and ground' of the church is the gospel and the spirit of life, it is fitting that she should have four pillars breathing out immortality on every side, and vivifying men afresh… Therefore the gospels are in accord with these things… For the living creatures are quadriform and the gospel is quadriform… These things being so, all who destroy the form of the gospel are vain, unlearned, and also audacious; those [I mean] who represent the aspects of the gospel as being either more in number than as aforesaid, or, on the other hand, fewer."