US soldier kills Afghan civilians in Kandahar

reply to post by torsion


WOW 16 murdered including children for no reason. This guy should be put to death.

an Army staff sergeant shot dead sixteen Afghan civilians including three women and nine children in their homes

I know that if something like this happened to my people or my loved ones here in the U.S., I'd have to consider retaliation against the invaders.

So, this is how this is how we get caught up in never ending conflicts as there will surely be a survivor or one with nothing to lose that will retaliate in some manner against some or something that represents America for what this bad guy in a uniform did, even though he does not represent the majority American peoples mores, nor that of most his fellow soldiers (I assume).

Nope, I never will understand what he went through to make him do this and I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon and throw crap at all of our soldiers even though I have the wisdom to realize they're naive knuckleheads for putting themselves in those positions of stress and the madness of a war zone.

How many of our soldiers will be sacrificed or put in weak positions to help satisfy and quell the need for getting even? It will happen - don't you know.

Takes a real BADASS to murder 9 children in cold blood...yeah your bad man ooooh so scary I hope your proud of yourself. I take back the death penalty I suggested he should be tortured beyond recognition to where he begs to be killed. Then when he begs to be killed we let him heal and start the process all over again. I would say that right there is the right thing to do.

Originally posted by beezzer
We are at war. People die. People lose it.

People are, well, people.

Here's real neat idea!

Surrender. Have all the people who are trying to kill us, stop. Raise the white flag.
Quit.

Once you do that, we leave, have a parade, give a few speeches, and it's done.

Sorry, remind me who's trying to kill you in your cosy home?

Last time I checked the Afghans were in Afghanistan.

reply to post by torsion

US soldier kills Afghan civilians in Kandahar

I dont get it.. US forces have killed a lot of civilians in Kandahar why is this any different...

Originally posted by blackcube
The soldier go mental because multiply tour in Afghanistan. He suppose was trained for that...
Now imagine what afghan civilians are enduring in their no-stop 10 year long tour...

YOu can train someone, to endure the horrors of war......

As im sure anyone who has served can tell you, no one knows how they will react to that sort of thing until they are actually in the suck....

You can do all the tentative training you want, but until you are confronted with it time after time, you cant know what its going to do to you....

Some people come out fine, others dont.........this isnt an excuse for his actions by any means.......they are horrible and he should be held accountable.....

Let the rule of law take place in Afghanistan.

At least the suspect had been apprehend quickly, and most certain to face trial and sentence.

BUT what about the other CIVILIANS murdered by terrorists? Had those animals been investigated seriously, let alone apprehended? Is rule of law dead in Afghanistan today?

Why is only USA upholding justice in Afghanistan by apprehending that suspect so quickly while the Afghanistan gov and People still have not done anything concrete about the murders of civilians by terrorists??

According to the villagers there were multiple shooters and they were drunk. Could be a case of good ol' cowboy fun. So recently we've had a few of these outrageous cases; Quran burning, pissing on dead Afghans and now this. Lots of bad press for the Americans, is it intentional?

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by beezzer
We are at war. People die. People lose it.

People are, well, people.

Here's real neat idea!

Surrender. Have all the people who are trying to kill us, stop. Raise the white flag.
Quit.

Once you do that, we leave, have a parade, give a few speeches, and it's done.

Sorry, remind me who's trying to kill you in your cosy home?

Last time I checked the Afghans were in Afghanistan.

Want to debate why we're there?
Start a thread.

That fact is, we are there. Our political leaders have hamstrung us in terms of combat, rules, alliances theychange every day.
Surrender and it all goes away. We all go away.

The Afghan gov and the People cannot have it both ways. The RULE OF LAW must take place.

The US gov had shown and proven good faith in apprehending the suspect murderer. EQUALLY the Afghan gov and People must show good faith to apprehend the animals that had not only terrorised and murdered non-combatants, both muslims and non-muslims, or only chaos will reign.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by beezzer
We are at war. People die. People lose it.

People are, well, people.

Here's real neat idea!

Surrender. Have all the people who are trying to kill us, stop. Raise the white flag.
Quit.

Once you do that, we leave, have a parade, give a few speeches, and it's done.

Sorry, remind me who's trying to kill you in your cosy home?

Last time I checked the Afghans were in Afghanistan.

Want to debate why we're there?
Start a thread.

That fact is, we are there. Our political leaders have hamstrung us in terms of combat, rules, alliances theychange every day.
Surrender and it all goes away. We all go away.

edit on 11-3-2012 by beezzer because: (no reason given)

Let's put this in perspective.

One day you're at home, recovering from the last invasion of your ancient homes. You lost a dozen friends and relatives and you still witness the scars of people who fought for your lands, missing limbs, burns and such.

A few years later, the people who once sold you weapons to fight off the occupiers, suddenly do a U-turn, and invade you - anyone who fights back is labelled a terrorist - your neighbour, your best friends - shipped away and tortured.

Whole villages are flattened - children arrested, old people shot dead at the side of the roads. Your own government gets bribed to accept these things, and suddenly some guy on the internet suggests the best course of action is just to surrender and take it.

Perspective.

reply to post by mr-lizard


Save the BS for history and fiction books.

Afghanistan today has an elected gov. It MUST now do the job - restoring LAW and ORDER. Let the Rule of Law take place now.

Cut the history baggage, or it will never end, as we may have to dig back thousands of years to lay blame on.

WHERE ARE THE TERRORISTS WHO HAD MURDERED NON-COMBATANTS - both muslims and non muslims???? Why are they NOT Allowed to be brought to justice?!!!!

It's unfortunate that the soldier's mind snapped, but this crap does happen! I feel bad for any innocents who were killed, especially children, but there's no way I'm going to bash a member of the military who lives from one day to the next just trying to survive in a hell he has no business being in, but for the fat asses in Washington whose interests happen to lie with the big oil and gas companies, as well as others who have made millions (even billions) out of weapons production.
I have a feeling that most of those who are calling for the poor guy to be crucified, have never come close to seeing what this soldier has, especially in a war where enemy combatants and civilians all look alike.
My heart goes out to this soldier's family, for not only have they now lost a son, they are the ones who will have to bear the brunt of any fallout that is sure to come from a public all too willing to side with the enemy! It is war, and Afghanistanis are the enemy! What that soldier did when his mind snapped, is nothing compared to the normal mindset of these Islamists and what they would do to us if given the chance!

reply to post by Bkrmn


There can be no words to express the condelences felt for the soldiers and civilians on both sides whom were caught in between, thanks to the animals that had terrorised Afghanistan for years - first by russians for their resources then by animals hell bent on exterminating mankind enmass hiding there that called US to engage with them.

A murder had been committed by the US soldier. As much sympathy we have for him, for he is flawed just like the rest of us mankind, he must face justice and the US gov will not shirked from it.

BUT MORE CRITICALLY, what had the elected afghan gov and People done to the terrorists that had gone scott free murdering non combatants - both muslims and non-muslims, freely without any justice been served to them????!!!

Originally posted by strato
I'd be proud to kill US soldiers too if I was an Afghan.

Proud and killing should never be used in the same sentence.

Originally posted by Evanzsayz
reply to post by torsion

 

WOW 16 murdered including children for no reason. This guy should be put to death.

Actually they gave a medal to the last guy who did the same thing. It is all about timing. You end up called a nutcase or a hero depending on when you pull the trigger.

reply to post by Xcathdra


As if there is a moral equivalency.. lol

Whats the difference between "us" and "them"?.. just before dispatching a soviet troop to his just occupier deserts, great American patriot of Red Dawn fame, "Jed", eloquently stated: "WE LIVE HERE"

Break into a mans home, or homeland, he can defend himself.. with deadly force... the invader claims zero moral high ground.

Originally posted by SGTSECRET

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
I wonder how many of these psychos will be going berserk once they head back home.
What goes around comes around.

...those 'psychos' are the same ones that you would be praising and begging for if our own nation was ever invaded. so easy to talk trash now, but if these 'psychos' didn't fight for our country while it was being invaded you would be calling them cowards and wondering what to do to save your a**. now they are psychos, when you need them they are heroes. support the troops is a joke...

Right. And when our country gets invaded I will call on you.

You know what, Im real sick of "WE ARE HEROES!/NOBODY LOVES US!" crap about the troops. No one held a gun to your head and forced you to sign up and kill people. We have a volunteer force. To me, anyone that signed up after '04 when we KNEW what was going on over there just deserves what they got.

And when you are off supporting "pre-emptive" attacks on other countries, you will not get my support. Actually, you know what, you will get my support, because I will pay your medical bills from my taxes. And I paid for your gun and your hummvee. But I will not give you my permission to go somewhere else and kill innocent people. That does indeed make you a "psycho".

reply to post by Xcathdra

Who knows.. Maybe he will get the same as the Afghan soldiers who murdered American military personnel over the idiotic over reaction to the Quran burning? Or maybe they will suffer the same fate as the Muslims who desecrated the Quran by writing in them?

The guy is in custody, which is more than we can say for the Afghan / Taliban murderers. He, like the people involved in Haditha, will face an article 32 and possible court martial based on the rule of law and not the whim of 9th century sharia jurisprudence.

i can not believe you would go on record and try and defend the inhuman scumbag who killed children in cold blood...

anyone who can even try to justify or compare what the afghans have done are sick beyond belief ..the solider responsible should be put in front of a wall and shot

woman and children ... you really can't go much lower than this ..

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

Save the BS for history and fiction books.

Afghanistan today has an elected gov. !

Wow, how can you put those two sentences next to each other with a straight face??

Afghanistan's "elected" government is about as real as our "elected" government. You call someone else's info "BS for history and fiction books" and then go on and spout the gov't propaganda line about Karzai?? Yknow, the BS that is going to go in a history book??