US soldier kills Afghan civilians in Kandahar

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by torsion

 

Great, now all of Afghanistan is gonna be mad at us.
This guy went and killed innocents without authorization.
I hope he at least screamed, "put down the gun" first before he killed the innocents.

Dude, they already hate your guts and beg God to burn your homes to the ground and bomb your families as you've done to them. This isn't the only " Soldier " Who has killed civilians, most of your soldiers have and many of them gloat about it. Man, this isn't even a difficult fact to miss, even the severely tainted MSM is honest about the fact Afghanistan hates you, as well as you have killed many innocent civilians over the last decade. They just blurt it out quickly and say the loss of civilian life was catastrophic, and leave out that you did it.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


And I accept it's not you ( infact it wasn't even you I was referring too lol )

And no - kill team were psychos - too much hollywood ? Universal soldier anyone? Ear necklace ? It's still commented on and joked about today
I accept that there are many undesirables currently serving , and I accept they do seem predominatly American ( and I have a few theories as to why but that's another subject )
But you cannot comprehend what may have happened
I'm not saying he deserves pity or leniency but certainly an attempt to understand
Now I know what I've seen, done and experienced most of which I cannot talk about
Most of which I choose not to talk about
But suffice to say many of you wouldn't agree with them
But you wernt there man, you wouldn't know lol
Just accept it .........you don't know

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by torsion

 

Great, now all of Afghanistan is gonna be mad at us.
This guy went and killed innocents without authorization.
I hope he at least screamed, "put down the gun" first before he killed the innocents.

So killing innocents is perfectly okay if there was authorization? Lol. Sums up US foreign policy quite well.

Will be interesting to see what punishment is handed down, I am already going to predict an extreme lack of discipline being passed off as "justice".

If someone was to go on a killing spree that totalled 11 deaths, he would be a mass murderer and would serve consecutive life sentences without the option for parole, I guarantee that the soldiers involved will serve no more than 10 - 15 years in a military correctional facility and then be giving life long counselling to help him cope with the event.

Has an american soldier actually been arrested for this? There seems to be conflicting reports.

I know many of you drool at the opportunity to bash american soldiers, but let's at least ensure it was a soldier first.

If it is ever proven that it was in fact not a soldier, I fully expect each and every one of you to say "all afghannies are bad and are mental and deserve to be in prison".

Originally posted by 200Plus
Has an american soldier actually been arrested for this? There seems to be conflicting reports.

I know many of you drool at the opportunity to bash american soldiers, but let's at least ensure it was a soldier first.

If it is ever proven that it was in fact not a soldier, I fully expect each and every one of you to say "all afghannies are bad and are mental and deserve to be in prison".

You have clearly not read the article at all.

reply to post by TheGreatest


Actually I have read several, from multiple sources. Hence I said "conflicting reports"

Ok wait... so this killing (and yes, horrendous) is called an assassination by Karzai, yet the suicide bomber that killed 15 and wounding 37 Sunday, at a funeral, gets no air time... Interesting.

The soldier go mental because multiply tour in Afghanistan. He suppose was trained for that...
Now imagine what afghan civilians are enduring in their no-stop 10 year long tour...

Originally posted by beezzer
We are at war. People die. People lose it.

People are, well, people.

Here's real neat idea!

Surrender. Have all the people who are trying to kill us, stop. Raise the white flag.
Quit.

Once you do that, we leave, have a parade, give a few speeches, and it's done.

Um last time I checked, there was no Taliban threat in N. America. Why are we over there again? I forget. Oh, to catch OBL. Did we get him yet?

Originally posted by FlySolo

Originally posted by beezzer
We are at war. People die. People lose it.

People are, well, people.

Here's real neat idea!

Surrender. Have all the people who are trying to kill us, stop. Raise the white flag.
Quit.

Once you do that, we leave, have a parade, give a few speeches, and it's done.

Um last time I checked, there was no Taliban threat in N. America. Why are we over there again? I forget. Oh, to catch OBL. Did we get him yet?

Fine. Have them wave the white flag and we'e gone.

How hard is it?

Just surrender and we leave.

reply to post by beezzer


Surrender to what exactly?

Originally posted by Neocrusader
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Agreed
Personally I'm fragged
As stated my operations in Afghanistan alone equates to 6 different years
This isn't including all the other places I go / have been in those and other years
I keep going for a number of reasons not all of which many can understand
But one of the main ones as I've stated before
Is to make sure its done as right as possible
ME applying My morals and humanity to any given situation and advising from experience
not some zombie product of the killbot factory blindly following the blind
My knowlege my skills my understanding my ethics
So that I and mine can make a positive difference
But troops breaking is going to happen more frequently - hell it's happened to me and I'm still dealing with my ghosts
My 'event' was not aimed at any native or enemy - but at the people who we are meant to trust to lead us
Very VERY few of whom I do

Neocrusader, I appreciate your candidness.......I hope others do, too.

I'm very sorry but there should be NO EXCUSE for the killing of children or any civillians in their own homes. In my opinion the soldier should be court marshalled right now, stripped of his rank and handed over to the Afghan Police and made to face the local penal system there. If it means that the soldier ends up being hung or whatever form of capital punishment they employ then so be it. The only request that should be requested that if it does turn out to be an execution, then do it inside prison in a proper way and not shown publically. The trial and court marshall however should be televised and thus show justice has been done.

And bring the troops home. All of them. Enough is enough.

Personally I think most of you are missing the point.

The fact that this particular soldier snapped and went on a killing spree is more of a sign of the whole military system rather than the individual.

Imagine a scenario where you were in the army in afghanistan and you saw your fellow recruits getting shot / killed / blown up etc by the afghans. Mix that in with military red tape and protocol, specifically orders from higher up the chain that contradict what boots on the ground know needs to be done to fix the problems and you have a recipe for disaster.

How many times would you have to see freinds and comrades dying horrifically with your own eyes before you snapped and wanted to lash out ?

The problem is that no civilised army can win a guerilla war. To beat the Taliban, you'd have to be more despicable than them. I know its only fiction, but Colonel Kurtz in Apocolypse Now seems relevant.

In Summary: Blame the system.

reply to post by pot8er

Imagine a scenario where you were in the army in afghanistan and you saw your fellow recruits getting shot / killed / blown up etc by the afghans.

Now, imagine a scenario where you are an afghan villager and suddenly your home is bombed and your loved ones are shot and killled by Americans.

Another small point I would quickly make

Either rightly or wrongly - I'm going with wrongly
WE apply OUR values to other nations and societies - nations and societies THAT DON'T SHARE OUR VALUES
This event asside so totally off topic

You see children
They see soldiers, messengers, couriers, suicide bombers, look outs, spy's and so on
WE think of them as children - that's our society
However in their OWN society they are manpower
Just because WE DON'T use soldiers under 18 doesn't mean they hold the same values and ethics
I have SEEN children shoot on soldiers and civilians
I have SEEN children lead a patrol onto an IED
I have SEEN children USED as suicide bombers
I have SEEN children as lookouts and centuries
I have SEEN children in IED factories
I have SEEN children used as messengers and delivery boys
Go to the bloody jungle ( lol keeping it vague ) it's sh*t loads worse
Platoons of child soldiers - messed up on coke sent to attack villages ( or anything else for that matter )
Now I mean waves of em
From 7/8 upwards
Coked up with an ak
Edit- removed line-
Perhaps if we all thought as we do in our so called developed countries with regards to this we could agree
but I'm afraid we don't

reply to post by Jay-morris


Spot on Jay! Troops are not in Afghanistan or anywhere else fighting for national security. They're essentially fighting for resources in other countries and dying for a bunch of spineless rich guys. Rue the day that most troops wake up and realize they were being used as cannon fodder...Rue the day TPTB.

Horrible, horrible act, hope he gets suitably punished- we shouldn't be fighting these liberal wars in the first place.


On a sort of "associated" point- many people are murdered in the UK at the hands of illegal immigrants, aka invaders, do we riot and attack all non British? no

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Exactly. I'm 100% with you. This sort of war can only be perpetuated or stopped, it can't be won