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OK, I'm reposting my question here, as I was invited to do so:

How can horrific deicide and ritual consumption lead to salvation?
Obviously, the disgusting ritualistic killing and eating of a God is one of the oldest traditions in the world, but how is a corrupt human being washed clean by the shedding of the blood of a perfect deity?

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"If so, sorry to say this but what a lonely sad existence that will be"

Life is a lonely and sad existence, that's why people tend to make stuff up and believe in the fanatical.

Because reality is just too boring. You believe that there is a superior being who created the Universe as you know it with all of it's glory, and that he actually cares if you've been bad or not. Really? Really?

Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
OK, I'm reposting my question here, as I was invited to do so:

How can horrific deicide and ritual consumption lead to salvation?
Obviously, the disgusting ritualistic killing and eating of a God is one of the oldest traditions in the world, but how is a corrupt human being washed clean by the shedding of the blood of a perfect deity?

Deicide - according to Wiki (sorry but it's the first one that came up when I Googled the word deicide but it'll do), it says:

Deicide is the killing of a god. The term deicide was coined in the 17th century from medieval Latin *deicidium, from de-us "god" and -cidium "cutting, killing."....

en.wikipedia.org...

So deicide has to do with the killing of "a god".

Before I answer your question let me clarify something first.

Notice the small letter "g" - in god as opposed to the uppercase G in God (The Almighty).

This part the writer of Wiki got it right for Jesus IS not God the Almighty as taught in Christendom (ie. trinity doctrine) but "a god" or as J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed (The Bible—An American Translation) puts it "divine" or as Johannes Schneider (Das Evangelium nach - German version) puts it - "godlike".

Thus Jesus is "godlike" not God in the flesh or God-man as taught in the many churches.

In other words Jesus is 100% human but perfect (sinless) since he was born by a virgin through God's holy spirit.

notice:

“. . .But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent forth his Son, who came to be out of a woman. . .” (Galatians 4:4)

“. . .“Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son. . .” (Luke 1:35)

The apostle John says:

“So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth.” (John 1:14)

In fact the scripture says that Jesus is the equivalent of the first perfect man Adam.

Notice:

“It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” (1 Corinthians 15:45)

“For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.” (1 Corinthians 15:22)

So we're clear on this one.

Jesus was a perfect human being having flesh and blood.

Now to your question:

How can horrific deicide and ritual consumption lead to salvation?

When you say "ritual consumption" - I'm assuming your referring to the eating of Jesus "flesh" and "drinking" his blood by means of the "bread" and "wine" as done in Christendom and that by doing this - it will lead to salvation, correct?

Answer is no - it will not lead to salvation because as you correctly said - it's a ritual.

In other words salvation is more than a ritual but a way of life. It's also NOT just believing in Jesus that one is saved. No, it's more than that and there's so many ways to explain it but the best person to explain it is no other than Jesus.

Here's what he said - the famous John 3:16

“. . .“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. . .”

and John 17:3

"This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ"

Two key words that leads to salvation - "exercising faith" in Jesus and "taking in knowledge" of Jesus and God.

This means that we apply what we learn about Jesus and about God. Learn why Jesus died and obedience to God's commands. To put full trust on God no matter what happens and remain faithful to him. By doing these things as well as associating with fellow believers we can stay on the road to life.

Anyone can say I accept Jesus as my savior but doing what is right all the time is hard and it's very easy to give up.

Thus Matthew 24:13 concludes:

“. . .But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. . .”

This means that without endurance (to do God's will) and just believing in Jesus will not be enough to get saved.

But with Jesus' and God's help we can endure!

in addition

“Everyone who practices sin is also practicing lawlessness, and so sin is lawlessness. . .” (1 John 3:4)

“. . .Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.” (1 John 2:17)

But:
“. . . if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one. 2 And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s. . .” (1 John 2:1, 2)

Notice the last part of the verse - "not for ours only but also for the whole world’s".

These answers your last q:

continue in the next post as I ran out of characters here...

reply to post by CodyOutlaw

but how is a corrupt human being washed clean by the shedding of the blood of a perfect deity?

Remember that Jesus is the equivalent of Adam? There's a very important reason for this.

As the scripture say:

“It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” (1 Corinthians 15:45)

It's because of Adam's sin - he sold and condemned his offspring (mankind) to death. In other words ALL of mankind became sinners (imperfect)

And the scripture says:

“. . .For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23)

And the only way to ransom mankind from death is that someone give up his life for God's law states that:

"life for life" - life is lost (by Adam) so life must be paid back. But not just any life but a perfect life is needed to be paid back.

Question is, is there anyone from among mankind that is able fulfill this requirement?

Answer is no because from Adam onward - all became sinners (imperfect) condemned to die.

But thanks to Jehovah God -

“By means of him we have the release by ransom through the blood of that one, yes, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his undeserved kindness.”—Eph. 1:7,

And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s. . .” (1 John 2: 2)

This is why Jesus the "divine" one - the PERFECT human of flesh and blood was able to redeem mankind.

By sacrificing his perfect "body" and shedding his "blood" he can redeem mankind, able to "wash clean" corrupt humans from their sin.

Because of this we're admonished to confess our sins to God:

“. . . if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one. And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s. . .” (1 John 2:1, 2)

The apostle Paul said:

“What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of YOU were. But YOU have been washed clean, but YOU have been sanctified, but YOU have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

So Christ died for you and I to gain salvation.

Proving once again that God's way is Love.

tc.