God's Way is Love!

Originally posted by paleorchid13
reply to post by mainidh

 

So you want to enact justice with no sense of understanding and no wisdom? So than you have no interest in creating a cure, doing any good , or helping the root of a problem, ...just acting on "biology", emotions and the primate instinct . (and don't forget the bible told you so)

Logic ...use it .

What?

Lol, Okay sure. I'll do that.

I think I said something more like Once more we hear about how god is love, while that love is shown by torture and death.

And I don't go for that. If this is true, then your god is a barbarian. And we are nothing more than ants.

So, it makes more sense to me that it's all a delusion created by prehistoric man in order to explain things, and use threat of eternal damnation in order to persuade the tribes of godless heathens to follow a set of laws, create control over these tribes and make it appear to them that it is their own choice. Get saved indeed.

religion.

Astonishing that it perpetuates still today with such fervent vigor.. Simply astonishing...

Astonishing that a book written by men thousands of years ago still has people so willing to use it to try and control others today. And they think they are saved. Saved from the imaginary afterlife that was created in order to get their obedience.

"Obey me, or suffer eternal damnation"...

Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
God is "love"

And "god" must've somehow left the following verse out of his little "holy" book:

"For god so loved the world, he generously allows overwhelming amounts of pain, suffering, misery, torment, and hunger to millions and millions of innocent children everywhere"./b]

Tell this "god is love" nonsense to the TONS of STARVING children around the world.

edit on 11-3-2012 by HangTheTraitors because: (no reason given)

So if God acts now and remove all the causes of wickedness and badness that plague mankind will that work for you?

If so, who should be saved and who should be destroyed?

Who will determine this?

tc

reply to post by edmc^2


Are you saying that this god would have to choose? I thought he created everything, and therefore could save every soul.

Why would there need to be a choice?

That sounds like a dictator to me, not an all powerful omnipotent creator.

Originally posted by mainidh
reply to post by edmc^2

 

Are you saying that this god would have to choose? I thought he created everything, and therefore could save every soul.

Why would there need to be a choice?

That sounds like a dictator to me, not an all powerful omnipotent creator.

No God gave us the freedom to make our own choice, only thing he's asking is that we choose life:


"I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, 20 loving the LORD your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them." - Deu 30:19-20 ESV

Jesus said:

13 "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. - Mat 7:13-14 ESV

Why do you think only few gets through the narrow gate?

tc

Originally posted by yourmaker

and 'love' is a chemical reaction brought about by external environmental factors, genetics, and what is best for the propagation of the species.

that's all you see? superficial?

So if your kids tell you that they love you - that they don't really mean it because it's just a chemical reaction?

Or your dear love one says to you that he/she dearly loves you - that it has no real meaning but a chemical reaction?

Or how about loving kindness, is this also a chemical reaction? No real meaning?

Is that how you view all the people around you?

If so, sorry to say this but what a lonely sad existence that will be.

tc

reply to post by mainidh


I'm sorry ..oh my ... I spoke in haste ...we are on the same page , that's what a good glass of wine will do .

reply to post by edmc^2


jesus christ has nothing do to with Our Creator God.
jesus christ is a religion's concept, just like moses, buddha and mohammad...

Proof:

You are created by Our Creator;
You are not created by a religion.

You are born with Wisdom;
You are not born with a religion's "holy" book.

Use your Wisdom to establish your relationship with Our Creator and eliminate religion from Your Life(~).

Peace be with You

Originally posted by edmc^2

Originally posted by yourmaker

and 'love' is a chemical reaction brought about by external environmental factors, genetics, and what is best for the propagation of the species.

that's all you see? superficial?

So if your kids tell you that they love you - that they don't really mean it because it's just a chemical reaction?

Or your dear love one says to you that he/she dearly loves you - that it has no real meaning but a chemical reaction?

Or how about loving kindness, is this also a chemical reaction? No real meaning?

Is that how you view all the people around you?

If so, sorry to say this but what a lonely sad existence that will be.

tc

edit on 11-3-2012 by edmc^2 because: tc

I don't have kids, because I don't have someone I dearly love. and I don't think I ever want to be with someone.
it always ends the same. and no matter how pure my intentions are, the outcome is prophetic.
so I purposefully avoid situations where I could possibly meet a mate.
it's a chemical reaction, if you meet the right person at the right time, it can be mutually impossible to shy away from.

love = care,
I care for things and people.
the kindness I show others is uncontrollable.
I am naturally nice and caring to people until they give me a reason not to.
I always try and find a way to give meaning in things no one else can or does.
even amongst a meaningless chemical existance.

If God's way is "love" then why would he create a place like hell and leave many people to suffer through unspeakable agony and starvation?...by the way, the Christian God has a name and it's not "God".

reply to post by edmc^2

Contrary to what many believe God's Way will always be based on love.

Yes..."love". I take it you're not talking about the bible, or the nonsense the current GOP candidates are spewing around



I don't think "love" is an accurate description

Originally posted by cowDrinker
If God's way is "love" then why would he create a place like hell and leave many people to suffer through unspeakable agony and starvation?...by the way, the Christian God has a name and it's not "God".

Scripturally speaking there's no such literal place as a "fiery hell" because "hell" in Hebrew is "Sheol" while in Greek it's "Hades". These two words literally mean the common grave of mankind. Nothing more nothing less.

The other word that was transliterated as "hell" is Gehenna - which is a literal garbage dump in the valley of Hinnom.

Notice:

The New Bible Commentary (page 779): says the following.

“Gehenna was the Hellenized form of the name of the valley of Hinnom at Jerusalem in which fires were kept constantly burning to consume the refuse of the city. This is a powerful picture of final destruction.”

Figuratively and symbolically speaking it's "a powerful picture of final destruction" not torture.

As for "the Christian God"

“. . .You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created.”” (Revelation 4:11)

tc

reply to post by SearchingandWatching

jesus christ has nothing do to with Our Creator God.

where did you get such idea? Your not making sense.


"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. - Jhn 3:16 - NKJV

tc

reply to post by MrXYZ


Coming from an atheist like you MrXYZ what can one expect.

Nothing but twisting of the scriptures.

tc

reply to post by yourmaker


At least you're honest about your existence but is there truth to the statement below?

“There is more happiness in giving than there is in receiving.”—ACTS 20:35.

tc

Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Coming from an atheist like you MrXYZ what can one expect.

Nothing but twisting of the scriptures.

tc

No twisting...go read the bible. The quoted parts say EXACTLY what's on that picture I posted

And just fyi, using "atheist" as an ad hominem attack to start off your post isn't all that clever considering atheists would consider this a compliment

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
reply to post by edmc^2

 

God's Way is Love!

I don't normally partake in these baited threads, but for the sake of boredom and a half a quart of liquid moon, I will.

God isnt about all love as some might lead you to believe. God is about creating, learning, and beating boredom. God is about discovering that which needs to be discovered. God is about creating those things that need to be discovered. God is about sharing, caring, justice, and keeping the world turning.

Your God must be of the flesh to be concerned strictly of love. Love is a balancing act governed by tolerance, vengeance, and a very long memory. Your Gods love is selfish and narrow. The divine Gods love is explosive and never ending. full of surprise's and fulfillment.

Jesus, you were a good guy, but you only brought half the truth.............. Be honest...

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edit on 11-3-2012 by All Seeing Eye because: (no reason given)

Jesus was a seed of his time and should be seen as a reflection of what was needed at that time. There have been multiple seeds before and after that. I kinda feel more at home with Buddha but that religon is also only another peice of the whole painting that makes an increadable painting of logic/love/justice/wisedom/harmony. Evolution/change is the key to everything but you have probably gone way beyond the point of me having to tell you. In any case Namaste soulbrother or soulsister.

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Coming from an atheist like you MrXYZ what can one expect.

Nothing but twisting of the scriptures.

tc

No twisting...go read the bible. The quoted parts say EXACTLY what's on that picture I posted

And just fyi, using "atheist" as an ad hominem attack to start off your post isn't all that clever considering atheists would consider this a compliment

It's not an ad hominem attack but just stating the fact that atheist will always gravitate to things that will prop up their claim.

But since you brought up the subject let's deal with it head on. First off though how much do you know about the Bible and the history of the nation of Israel?

I asked this question because your contradictory evidence to support your claim centers on the OT.

tc

reply to post by edmc^2


Look, the passages I quoted are really clear. If you claim the bible is god's word (which I take it you are), then you can't really claim "love" is the central message...not given all those passages ok'ing rape, slavery, and genocide.

Those passages ARE part of the bible, and claiming otherwise can be considered DENIAL.

Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
God is "love"??

This "god" must've somehow left the following verse out of his little "holy" book:

"For god so loved the world, he generously allows overwhelming amounts of pain, suffering, misery, torment, and hunger to millions and millions of innocent children everywhere".

And the hardship, pain, and struggle of people and children everywhere make the "jesus" suffering story look like a PICNIC. A PICNIC.

C'mon! Lets get real.

Never heard of Satan? Never heard of Sin? Never thought for once that those Children are suffering, not because of God, but because of man? Yes it's true there are starving kids in China, in Africa.. hell, there are starving kids in AMERICA!

But that just proves that this world, who has turned their back on God, decided "we can do things our own way", leaving not just the kids to suffer, but the entire world. Evil is absence of God, and this world is filled with Evil.. God has stepped aside to let man do things their way.. and look what's happening.

Tell this "god is love" nonsense to the TONS of innocent, sin-free, STARVING children around the world.

I guarantee you that missionaries who go to these countries to establish education and technological renovations, and also provide medical, food, and shelter are telling those kids that exact statement, so joke's on you

Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by yourmaker

 

At least you're honest about your existence but is there truth to the statement below?

“There is more happiness in giving than there is in receiving.”—ACTS 20:35.

tc

depends on what is being received
the hedonist in me would like to know lol...

and it also depends on what I am giving.

circumstances would determine the answer to that statement.
someone could use that statement to ultimately find happiness in giving evil.