HC's Ancient Aliens MINDBLOWING episode "The NASA Connection".

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by nitro67
reply to post by Furbs

 

You sir, are a pretentious prick, by typing your post, proves that you do feel better about yourself by putting down "ignorant" people....i.e, people who believe something other than what you believe... people that research and look at ancient art and archaeology and say that some other beings may have been involved with the construction and or inspiration do not believe these things because it gives order or meaning to their lives. Their research has lead them to believe what they do. When discussing civilizations from thousands of years ago all we can do is speculate as to why they built what they did and interpret what they have left written. That ancient civilizations from the "pyramid" age were HEAVILY influenced by the stars, and by their own account, other beings, is undeniable.

I am an educated pretentious prick. I got my Masters in Art History at Michigan State University, my wife got one of her undergrad degrees in Anthropology and is now working on her PhD. at UO. So between the two of us, we have kicked around the idea of "Ancient Aliens" a few times, and you know what?

It's bull#.

The idiots that go around trying to sell their unsupportable theories are trying to win over the masses, because they know that their colleagues in any respectable devotion will ask for peer reviewable evidence. So they try to sell it to the public, where opinion trumps fact.

You people are being fed garbage by people that want nothing more than fame and money.

If you really want to learn 'the truth', read books by people that have been published in credible journals that are doing peer reviewed and defended research. Anything else is bad-science.

But the majority of you WANT it to be true, so it IS true.


Also, if you feel insulted by my ambiguous statement, it says more about YOU than it does about me.

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edit on 10-3-2012 by Furbs because: (no reason given)

I am not insulted. Congratulations on your degree in art and I respect your opinion that the ancient astronaut theory is bull, at least you admit to being pretentious. Could you offer a few suggestions of books to counter the theories of someone like Childress or Daniken? Who, I assume, you would call "bad scientists" Please enlighten us on "the truth" What would the mainstream/what you are taught in school, people have to say about the ancients belief in the gods? Or the positioning of the pyramids of Egypt? Just superstition and coincedence? Deifying forces of nature.....

Originally posted by miniatus
David introduced the theory after talks with a shaman ( if I remember correctly ) and now many people on here yell OMG reptile whenever they see a glitch on their tv that makes someone's eyes briefly distort..

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It was a South African Zulu Sangoma named Credo Mutwa that Icke got his initial information from on the reptilians. He conducted a six hour interview with Credo Mutwa that can be found on youtube. As a matter of fact, he got a lot of his info from Mutwa.


Credo Mutwa

To those wondering why Aldrin would appear on this episode if he didn't believe in the concept of ancient aliens, it's because he's been trying to clear up the UFO claims attributed to him for years now. He was probably once again promised that his full story would be presented only to have it edited it down in post-production. This has happened ever time he has tried to present his actual story.Actually I take that back. There is one person who actually let him present the true story. Howard Stern. Congratulations Ancient Aliens you have proven that you care more about money and shameless entertainment than Howard Stern.

Maybe they're onto something. Despite whoever is debunking this for whatever reasons, and I've not even watched it yet myself, there's still the chance that they're onto the truth in some way. And no debunker can refute that.

(have just got the impression that it'll be cool, if I watch it and it turns out crap will come back and apologise!)

Am just bored of anything and everything related to NASA being debunked. Honestly it's as if even keeping an open mind about them knowing about Aliens isn't even acceptable around here sometimes. If they do know about Aliens and some of you are shills, that's cool, but you should really chill out, I'm sure there's nothing incriminating in the videos.

Originally posted by 1AnunnakiBastard

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
Mitchell and Musgrave's claims have been around for years. The fact is though that neither saw any indication of intelligent life on their missions. Their claims are based entirely on belief. People have also been trying to put words into Aldrin's mouth for years. While he does say that he saw a UFO on Apollo 11 he has made it quite clear he was not referring to an alien spaceship. What he thinks they saw were the adapter panels from the S-IVB upper stage. As for Morrison, he has made his views clear in a number of articles on NASA's website.

While it would be foolish to discount the existence of extraterrestrials there is absolutely no proof they have visited Earth. Those people who work for NASA that claim aliens are visiting Earth have just as much evidence as the common man. In other words they don't have proof. Their beliefs are faith-based.

9 out of 10 ancient civilizations totally say THEY DID visit Earth. I tell you at least 2 compilation of Hindu scriptures that depict their crafts, fuel, technology, weapon and even war tactics: The Samarangana Sutradhara and the Vaimanika-shastra, these are technical books. The Mahabharata is more poetic-oriented but perfectly depicts nuclear blasts and radioactive fallout.

Who say that aliens don't exist and were never on Earth??

The same "scholars" who believe OR want people believing that they believe it, that the Giza pyramids as well as other megalithic structures, that modern cranes can't handle, were built by malnourished slaves using obsidian blades, bamboo scaffolding, wooden cranes and liana ropes...

Military personnel and secret agencies???

NASA says that has no knowledge of the existence of intelligent alien civilizations, but carries out a Freemason ritual on the Moon to invoke Osiris from Orion???

Seriously, give me a break!!! Don't insult peoples intelligence!

edit on 3/10/2012 by 1AnunnakiBastard because: (no reason given)

I'm a Ancient Aliens show buff as well.They make a lot of great points of how these pyramids were built,ancient writings,pictures carved on the wall and numerous other points made .There is NO way these people/slaves or whatever you want to call them can move and lay these stones precisely without extraterrestrial help.No Way...end of story ! These are 3-10 ton rocks and they were cut with some sort of laser to fit correctly.There are Giant cut rocks that run in rows all over the planet that were landing strips for the Aliens ! Nasa has been hiding info for years and they wont tell you anything now until an alien lands in the Fox news studio and takes over the mic ! Then they would cut to a quick big pharma commercial ,come back and say they were having technical difficulties . Star for you Mr.Anunnaki

I love the show, but to many are taking everything in that show to seriously. The show makes some good points and theories, but take it with a grain of salt and do some research on your own instead of taking everything they say as fact. there really isn't a whole lotta fact in the show. IMO, a lot of it is speculation and theory.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Swills

 

Seriously, give me a break!!! Don't insult peoples intelligence!

It's certainly implied in comments like that. Furthermore, why should I have to email them? If they were actually interested in spreading the truth they would actually include the proof when they make their claims. And the fact that you don't want to see the proof validates everything I just said. You're happy to blindly believe whatever an AAT proponent claims because it corresponds with your worldview. That's pretty much the definition of a sheeple.

It's quite clear that the people that run this show aren't actually interested in any form of truth. All they care about is making money. This is obvious from the fact that once again Aldrin's claims get edited to make it sound like he saw aliens when he was in space. Every time this subject comes up in an interview with Aldrin he explains that when he says UFO he doesn't mean alien. He has even gone on record saying that he is 99.9% certain of what he saw. Yet, every time someone is making a show about aliens and they interview Aldrin they edit out the facts of his statement. And do you know why? Because panels from a stage of the rocket doesn't make good TV. Aliens do. That's all there is to it. People on this site keep touting Ancient Aliens as some paragon of truth but it's clear from instances like this one that it is no different from any other show. It has an agenda and it will lie and alter the truth in order to move their agenda forward.

You appear to be at the conclusion that absolutely everything on TV is a lie or half truth to make money...which might or might not be absolutely true. I don't trust the TV either....

HOWEVER, to conclude that TV = lies is failed logic. I could put the truth on TV in the rawest form possible and if it gets enough attention and brings in enough ratings it will/can be dismissed as all a hoax to rake in ratings??

Here is what I think...The TV networks keep a reallllly good eye on you tube and what types of videos are trending. Then the network picks up show ideas based on the trending you tube videos...Irregardless of whether or not the video is true or fake if its getting attention they will pick it up and run with it to the bank...but this does not mean its all a to get money...it could be the truth to get money...I don't think they particularly care.

Also if it is a truth that they want to keep secret...what better way to keep people like you from it. Just put the truth on TV and you will think its a lie because they made money and because they made money...that means its a lie...right?...RIGHT?

reply to post by Sly1one


It's not that everything on TV is a lie. It's that people need to do their own research. Regardless of the show the main goal for the network is to make money. In order for a show to stay on the air they need to show they can turn a large profit. This generally means the show has to bow to network pressure or get cancelled. Ancient Aliens has clearly bowed to the pressure. Just in this one episode a number of major mistakes have been pointed out. This illustrates that the show isn't being produced to spread the truth. It's being produced to appeal to their fanbase and as a result they keep making money. The problem is that this fanbase generally doesn't do any independent research. As a result they just take the claims at face value and keep believing them and regurgitating them even though they're wrong.

Even though more recent members may not realize it I have actually played the role of the believer and the skeptic. When I first came started posting on ATS I was a staunch believer in alien visitation and I even contributed a number of ideas to undo's Stargate thread. However, since that time I have realized that the alternative media and the fringe authors obfuscate the truth just as much as the MSM. So now whenever possible I do my own independent research. Even though many people on this site may disagree with my conclusions they are what my research has lead me to and they are what I genuinely believe the truth to be.

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by AdamsMurmur

 

....except the part about the landing being in line with Orion's belt and the connections to ancient Egyptian/Masonic rituals. That was pretty interesting.

Except.....it is totally untrue.

Guess you missed my post above.

Oh and....if you want to verify the inaccuracy of the "Orion" thing.....download your free copy of Stellarium:

www.stellarium.org...

Then, set the date to July 20, 1969 and your location and position to the proper place on the Moon. Then, do a search in the sky for the constellation Orion, and see for yourself.

Because, when you do, you will see that Orion wasn't even visible in the sky on that date and time, from that location on the Moon.

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Just checked Stellarium:

Landing coordinates:

0.67408° N: 0° 40' 26.688"
23.47297° E: 23° 28' 22.692"

US Eastern Time:



UTC:



If I missed nothing and made no mistake, Orion WAS visible from the landing place.

www.nasm.si.edu...

reply to post by 1AnunnakiBastard


I put in the wrong longitude, so that was my error.

BUT, pay real close attention to your Stellarium screenshots. Which way are we looking, in them? To the East, correct? Meaning, into the direction of the rising Sun.

Do you know which way the LM was facing when they landed?

Well, I will tell you.....they were facing West. They landed facing West, with the Sun at their backs, in order to not have the Sun blinding them, of course, during the landing. And, to have the benefit of the shadows cast on the alien landscape, for depth perception, to better judge the landing. There are no familiar objects to relate to, as pilots us on Earth, when landing.

The LM has only the two windows.....both facing forward, and in this case, West.

SO, the "Orion" story is bunk.

HOWEVER.....although it can be said that Orion was above the horizon, the other two points (that you didn't address) are also still valid.

The Apollo 11 landing was NOT at 33° latitude, nor longitude.

And, there was no "masonic ritual" performed at 33 minutes after touchdown. My sources clearly show that, and both mine and yours show the former regarding the landing coordinates.

So, someone on the HC program simply MADE UP the "33" references....in order to try and shoe-horn "Orion" into that load of BS that they presented.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Sly1one

 

It's not that everything on TV is a lie. It's that people need to do their own research. Regardless of the show the main goal for the network is to make money. In order for a show to stay on the air they need to show they can turn a large profit. This generally means the show has to bow to network pressure or get cancelled. Ancient Aliens has clearly bowed to the pressure. Just in this one episode a number of major mistakes have been pointed out. This illustrates that the show isn't being produced to spread the truth. It's being produced to appeal to their fanbase and as a result they keep making money. The problem is that this fanbase generally doesn't do any independent research. As a result they just take the claims at face value and keep believing them and regurgitating them even though they're wrong.

Even though more recent members may not realize it I have actually played the role of the believer and the skeptic. When I first came started posting on ATS I was a staunch believer in alien visitation and I even contributed a number of ideas to undo's Stargate thread. However, since that time I have realized that the alternative media and the fringe authors obfuscate the truth just as much as the MSM. So now whenever possible I do my own independent research. Even though many people on this site may disagree with my conclusions they are what my research has lead me to and they are what I genuinely believe the truth to be.

This is fair enough in the truest sense. I don't personally think AA series is the real deal, I have my own theories of the show based on the research I have done. While I do believe they are closer to the true story than traditional mainstream historians are I acknowledge they have an agenda ($$) that can and does muddy the waters with sensationalism and trumped up tales.

For me I get most of my truth from the archaeology that does not lie and is there to stare you in the face every day of the week if you wish...This archaeology from my standpoint alone destroys the traditional, mainstream view of history.

I think George Noory said it best in one of the episodes...its either 1 of 2 things...either mankind is way way way older than previously thought and way more advanced than previously thought....or it has had interactions with those that are more advanced...

Either way you dice it the true ancient world is advanced enough to cut, shape, move, construct on par and in many cases significantly better than we can EVEN TODAY...

As far as I am aware there only a handful of cranes TODAY that could lift the 1000+ tonne stones at Baalbek....and this is thousands of year later that we gained this capability.

Its the simple issues like these that make me think the 1 of 2 things regarding the ancient megalithic world.

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by 1AnunnakiBastard

 

I put in the wrong longitude, so that was my error.

HOWEVER......the other two points (that you didn't address) are still valid.

The Apollo 11 landing was NOT at 33° latitude, nor longitude.

And, there was no "masonic ritual" performed at 33 minutes after touchdown. My sources clearly show that, and both mine and yours show the former regarding the landing coordinates.

So, someone on the HC program simply MADE UP the "33" references....in order to try and shoe-horn "Orion" into that load of BS that they presented.

Unless you or your source were THERE on the Moon, when they landed, I guess it's just silly you hit the hammer saying that they didn't the ritual. Better we wait a couple of days, because if Buzz Aldrin keep quiet and say nothing about this allegation, better you provide another source.

reply to post by Sly1one


The thing I don't understand is why everybody brings up cranes when they mention these structures. If something's heavy it much easier to push it than lift it. This also explains why pyramids are so prevalent throughout the world. If you are pushing large blocks then you will need ramps to get the blocks to a higher level. If you use the ramps the natural shape your structure will take is that of a pyramid. To me this seems like the most rational explanation to these mysteries and it doesn't involve the use of high-technology or aliens.

The astronauts did perform a ritual on the moon. They opened masonic lodge. Such a ritual has its origins from the ancient egyptians. The interesting fact from this video is the fact that this was performed in alignment with Orion's belt. The ancient egyptians were careful to align their pyramids to Orion's belt.

Orion's belt is the origin of the human existence. Whoever is at Orion's belt is what spawned the human race.

And rightfully so, the least we can do is pay homage in the ancient traditional rite as our ancestors demonstrated long before in the presence of their heavenly father.

Now the fact that this must be done when Orion comes in to alignment is most intriguing. This must be done in perfect alignment to Orion so that the supreme architect can view the homage directly. Keep in mind that our telescopic technology as it is known to the masses is a mere centuries old. Imagine the telescopic technology of a civilization with millenia of development under its belt. If you watched Thor, you will get the idea/concept with the All Seer and the telescopic launcher (allegory for telescope technology). Of course, it is clear to see that Thor arrives to Earth from a distant galaxy (Orion's Belt). He is also of course Aryan.

I would rather have 33rd degree freemasons paying homage on the moon to the GAOTU than some human space gerbils with the mentality of a hipster being drowned in the glory of walking on a moon completely forgetting the heavenly father which made such a moment possible.

The TV show Ancient Aliens can be summed up with one picture.




Really no need to 'analyze' things anymore than they do. BTW most of their guest hosts are fiction writers, that should be the first clue.

reply to post by DanteAltair


NO, sorry. Wherever you are getting this, they are lying:

The astronauts did perform a ritual on the moon. They opened masonic lodge. Such a ritual has its origins from the ancient egyptians. The interesting fact from this video is the fact that this was performed in alignment with Orion's belt. The ancient egyptians were careful to align their pyramids to Orion's belt.

Scroll up a bit. Look......to reiterate, Orion was in the Eastern Lunar sky. The Astronauts' windows were facing West.

Scroll up even more....I posted the transcripts of the activity after the landing. There was only one "ritual", and it was Buzz Aldrin performing some sort of Catholic thing, I think it was communion (**). (Small sip of "wine", and a cracker).


(**) Yes, here is the story:

First Communion on the Moon

"This is the (lunar module) pilot," Aldrin said on July 20, 1969. "I'd like to take this opportunity to ask every person listening in, whoever and wherever they may be, to pause for a moment and contemplate the events of the past few hours and to give thanks in his or her own way." Aldrin's way was to serve himself communion, using a kit provided by the pastor of Houston's Webster Presbyterian Church.

That simple, and personal thing that Aldrin wanted to do has been blown up into this nonsense of "masonic" this and that. Total rubbish.

ProudBird.

Thats nice and all but the lodge was opened and recorded in AF&AM record books. Only morans cite amplifiers as trusted sources.

reply to post by 1AnunnakiBastard


Thank you for posting this...I fell asleep

and my darn dvr was full!!

Why isn't it on demand like decoded??

so frustrating.

Originally posted by 1AnunnakiBastard

3,000 years before David Icke or any other reptilian-conspiracist have ever existed, ancient civilizations saw something that look like humanoid-reptile beings. It marked their lives so deeply and it was important enough to make them depict their images in carved reliefs, statues and even entire edifices... But waaait.....

They were all "hallucinating over fairy tales and anthropomorphizing elements of nature."

Why don't we hear about the humanoid-bovine beings? The Egyptians had statutes of them too.

Oh!

I completely forgot to mention the human origin allegory from Men in Black.

The galaxy from Orion's belt is HERE.