Charges of Racism for Chanting USA…In America!

reply to post by seabag


Garbage like this makes me sick!! So i take it if the other team chanted for example "Mexico, mexico!" that would've been acceptable? This PC garbage has to stop!

Originally posted by getreadyalready
But, will you intentionally chant it directly at someone, that doesn't look as "american" as you, after defeating that person in some rivalry, and with the intention of drawing attention to their "less american" look or heritage than yours?

Surely it is blatant racism to suggest that Hispanic people look less American than white college kids?

Or is it OK to suggest that Hispanic Americans look less Amercan than white kids as long as it help to 'prove' that white people are racist.

I suspect so...

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by getreadyalready
But, will you intentionally chant it directly at someone, that doesn't look as "american" as you, after defeating that person in some rivalry, and with the intention of drawing attention to their "less american" look or heritage than yours?

Surely it is blatant racism to suggest that Hispanic people look less American than white college kids?

Or is it OK to suggest that Hispanic Americans look less Amercan than white kids as long as it help to 'prove' that white people are racist.

I suspect so...

edit on 8-3-2012 by ollncasino because: clarify

Do you think they meant their chant in a patriotic fashion? Just out of the blue, instead of chanting "warriors" or "bulldogs" or whatever their mascot is, they decided to chant USA-USA. Do you honestly believe it was not intended as a dig at the hispanic school?

That is the only question that needs to be answered.

And yes, I have racist tendencies, when I see an Hispanic person, I first assume they are Mexican or Cuban, then possibly Spanish, and lastly American. If I hear them speak, then my assumptions change depending on their mastery of the English language. If they are dressed in typical "Mexican" attire, as anyone from Texas or Oklahoma is familiar with, then I assume Mexican. When I am in Miami, I assume Cuban, but I do not assume they are illegals, I just assume their heritage is Cuban. Depending on their age, clothing, posture, and speech, I can make a decent guess at whether they are already fully integrated as a US citizen, or if they are fresh off a boat, or if they were probably born here.

Yes, if I see a White college kid, I assume they are probably a US citizen, unless there is a typical Eastern European look about them, and then I'll be a little conflicted on my guess until I hear them talk. If there name ends in -ian, then I know they are Armenian, and so on and so forth. We all make assumptions, it is perfectly natural.

Originally posted by ollncasino
Or is it OK to suggest that Hispanic Americans look less Amercan than white kids as long as it help to 'prove' that white people are racist.

A majority of Hispanic Americans are white, or at least they think of themselves in that category.

Hispanics Accounted for Three-Fourths of White Population Growth

Whites who identified as being of Hispanic origin increased by 56 percent between 2000 and 2010. Of the 231.0 million white alone-or-in-combination population in the 2010 Census, 29.2 million, or 13 percent, reported they were Hispanic, up from 9 percent in 2000.

www.census.gov...

"USA" is not a race, it's a nationality. Therefore, it's NOT racist.

If the Hispanic students were illegally in the country, then they would be citizens of another country, and just like with the Olympics, chanting "USA, USA, USA" isn't racist.

If the Hispanic students were U.S. citizens, then why would they have a problem with anyone chanting about THEIR very own country? Unless, of course, the Hispanics hate white people, and think that "USA" means "white".

It may be natural, but that doesn't make it right. It's still wrong to make assumption, especially when there's very little information to go on, and it's wrong to make generalizations about people too.

Often times, generalizations and assumptions are wrong as well.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy

 

That sounds pretty racist to me, assuming all that.... If you have a gander at my post history, you will see I am no blind patriot type. I just don't see how someone other than a racist, can assume that chanting USA is supposed to be an insult hurled at a team because they happen to be hispanic AMERICANS, as far as I know. Even if they were all illegals, so what? They are here, instead of whatever country they illegally came from, should they not love the USA all the much more?

I didn't mean to offend you, if that is what you took from my post.

Sure, they should love the USA, but when a group of people chants "USA! USA!" against them, it makes them feel unwelcome in our country. This is where the racism lies. It has NOTHING to do with loving America, rather everything to do with displaying contempt for people of a certain race, in this case being Hispanics.

It's really not an issue of whether nationalism is being threatened. These people are in the wrong. Imagine being a Caucasian, having lived in Mexico or China your entire life, losing a competition, and then being singled out and shamed because your race isn't Hispanic or Asian. I hope this makes sense; as has been said already in this thread, it is not the words but the intention behind the words. Chant USA! USA! all you want, but don't do so with the intent of alienating a fellow American based on his or her race.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
It may be natural, but that doesn't make it right. It's still wrong to make assumption, especially when there's very little information to go on, and it's wrong to make generalizations about people too.

Often times, generalizations and assumptions are wrong as well.

Why is it wrong?

It would be wrong if someone only acted upon incomplete generalizations or stereotypes or illogically applied them to every member of a group, but there is nothing wrong with starting from that general base and then proceeding with an open mind.

In my opinion, there is absolutely nothing wrong with making generalizations of people and then proceeding from there with a cautiously open mind and discarding any incorrect assumptions and incorporating your new knowledge as it becomes available.

If I see a squirrel in my yard, I assume it is harmless, but I could be wrong, it could be rabid and aggressive. If I see a Lion in my yard, I assume it is dangerous, but I could be wrong, it could be a wandering pet just looking for a way home. If I see a tatted out black teen in saggy jeans and a red-bandana approaching me swiftly from across the street, I assume danger, but I could be wrong, he may be the one in need of help, not me, and when I see an elderly woman with a walker, I assume she needs assistance, but I could be wrong and it could be a set-up. Still, in each assumption, it was made based on previous experience and we err on the side of statistics and personal knowledge and we hedge our reactions in the manner that provides the most immediate safety, and then we proceed cautiously from there. Assumptions are critical to our daily life and safety, without them, I don't think we would survive long.

I grew up in San Anto, I remember the kids that went to Alamo Heights, mostly students that live a very privileged life, with mostly "white" & mostly wealthy parents...I guarantee the chanting had nothing to do with being nationalistic...Been down that road...I didn't belong there... and I am "white" just not from wealthy parents...Oh well

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy

Sure, they should love the USA, but when a group of people chants "USA! USA!" against them, it makes them feel unwelcome in our country. This is where the racism lies. It has NOTHING to do with loving America, rather everything to do with displaying contempt for people of a certain race, in this case being Hispanics.

As pointed out earlier in the thread, fans on the predominately Hispanic Edison team were chanting Alamo “whites” rather than Alamo Heights. Where is the charge of racism about those comments? Obviously the chants of USA were in response to the “Alamo Whites” chants. Seems like a way to get back at them while not being overtly racist in return, does it not?

Some might say they actually deescalated the situation by not responding with an equally derogatory, racist response.

reply to post by groingrinder

Originally posted by groingrinder

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy

 

We shouldn't lower our standard of living. Most of the illegals that have come here are from communist countries. So there standards of living were extremely low. Thats why they come and they are willing to work their asses off to no fault of their own. But yeah the federal government that favors and allows immigrants from places like El Salvador to live on US soil illegally and with them follows the communist element and the crime, which luckily hasn't spilled over to much other then petty theft and offenses. But those cartels south of here are getting stronger it's only a matter of time now.

MEXICO is not a communist country. Neither is EL SALVADOR. But that does not stop illegals from both countries coming here and committing criminal acts. l am glad you consider murder, kidnapping, and identity theft petty offenses. What do you consider major offenses?

I never said they were communist countries. I said there was a communist element because there is a history of communism. El Salvador is one of the most densely populated country in the Western World and also has some of the worst crime.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Communist Party of El Salvador (in Spanish: Partido Comunista de El Salvador) was the official Communist political party in El Salvador. The Communist Party was founded by Miguel Mármol in the 1930s. In the mid 1960s the U.S. State Department estimated the party membership to be approximately 200.[1] In 1980, it joined with four other leftist parties in the country - the FPL, RN, PRTC and ERP - to form a revolutionary political-military front called the Frente Farabundo Martí para la Liberación Nacional (Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front).
The FMLN waged a guerrilla war against the Salvadoran government, which had been a military dictatorship since the 1930s. The Communist Party of El Salvador and the four other parties continued to exist as separate organizations under the umbrella of the FMLN throughout El Salvador's civil war from 1980 to 1992.
When the Salvadoran civil war ended in 1992, the FMLN became a legal political party and began to compete in elections. After the 1994 elections, the Communist Party and the four other parties that comprised the FMLN dissolved themselves as separate organizations, merging into a singular FMLN with no competing internal organizations. At that point the Communist Party of El Salvador ceased to exist as an independent entity, though many of its leaders and members are still visible in the FMLN. For example, former Communist Party leader Schafik Hándal was the FMLN's presidential candidate in the 2004 elections.
During the Salvadoran civil war from 1980 to 1992, Schafik Hándal was the leader of the Communist Party. Prior to him, Cayetano Carpio was the Communist Party leader in the 1960s, before leaving the CP to form the FPL and launch the armed struggle against the dictatorship in 1970.
On March 27, 2005, a group of Salvadoran communists formed a new PCES, in the tradition of the old party that dissolved into the FMLN.

ETA most of the kidnappings and murders happen south of the Border because Mexico has reached a new height of corruption, I never said it didn't happen here. But the authorities do not turn a blind eye to it here the way they do south of the border.

reply to post by BREWSE

I grew up in San Anto, I remember the kids that went to Alamo Heights, mostly students that live a very privileged life, with mostly "white" & mostly wealthy parents...I guarantee the chanting had nothing to do with being nationalistic...Been down that road...I didn't belong there... and I am "white" just not from wealthy parents...Oh well .

Damn those rich white kids!!

They should be sued for their racially charged chants of “USA USA USA” because the poor, thin skinned Hispanic kids who don’t live privileged lifestyles were offended. You seem to be suggesting that this may have an economic component as well. After all, it was cool when the Hispanics were chanting “Alamo WHITES” but when the tables were turned it was time to cry foul!

Get a grip, people! First Amendment…get a copy for yourself!

HOW DARE THEY!!!!
This is how it starts, first they are shouting USA at an American basketball game next thing you know this type of racist behavior is tolerated at the Olympics and before you know it the high school basketball games are replaced with school sponsored lynchings.

Why is it wrong?

Assumptions are always based on petty bigotries and prejudices.

And often without true knowledge of the person or people in question.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone

Why is it wrong?

Assumptions are always based on petty bigotries and prejudices.

And often without true knowledge of the person or people in question.

I disagree. Assumptions are rarely based on anything "petty." They are usually based upon previous experience and knowledge.

Old ladies are typically less of a threat on a dark Friday night than gang-bangers.

When I'm in a bar, and there are guys standing around the edge, with tight t-shirts on, observing the crowd, and nursing an empty beer bottle, I know they are there to pick up a girl or get in a fight. When there are other clowns getting down on the dance floor and oblivious to their surrounding, I know they are not a threat. When a girl is wearing a tiny mini-skirt, heels, and has attention getting make-up and hair, I know she is looking for attention, but when a girl is dressed in drab earthy colors, has plain hair, and no makeup, I know she is NOT looking for attention. Depending on my own mood, I may choose to dance with the clowns on the dance floor, stand with the trouble-makers on the perimeter, or even instigate the trouble-makers. I may choose to talk to the shy girl, or I may choose to engage the slutty girl.

Whatever I choose will be based upon my intentions, and my previous experiences and knowledge, and I might choose completely wrong or find out my assumptions are completely wrong, and if so, my assumptions will evolve for the next test, but it isn't at all "petty." It is actually quite scientific and informed.

reply to post by Sphota


It has EVERYTHING to do with this country...it's called the 1st AMENDMENT!! See you're too focused on the race card..what is racist about chanting "USA"??? If they had called the hispanic kids "Tacos" or some other stupid name THEN I'd agree with you!!! There are undocumented versions of what triggered this series of events as well and that is the Alamo Heights basketball team (the white kids) were being called Alama Whites by the opposing fans...NOW THAT'S RACIST!

There should be no apology for chanting USA.

IF YOU AREN'T PROUD TO CHANT USE THEN GET OFF MY LAND!

I think this type of racist behavior is taught by professional athletes. I tried to watch the Superbowl once...ONCE. It was all fun until they brought someone out and started singing the national anthem. It really felt like they were just screaming "I am American and i want to kill you" at me. I am 1/4 Indian so naturally i was offended, i was thinking what is this Nazi Germany?
I don't even leave the house on the fourth of July, it just feels like America sets that day aside to hate everyone. The behavior of these racist little monsters is really just a sign of the times.

reply to post by DavidWillts


You find the national anthem offensive?
I find that offensive.
LOL....kidding but why is that offensive?

UK UK UK!!!



Our hot-mouthed patriots are better than your hot-mouthed patriots!

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by DavidWillts

 

You find the national anthem offensive?
I find that offensive.
LOL....kidding but why is that offensive?

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