port workers of the world unite or face part time call to work type job security

reply to post by XPLodER


No, I am saying you DON"T have a right to work. You have to work as a necessity to survive and provide for you and your family. Work is not to be guaranteed and if you don't like that, then start your own business and choose your own policies and hours.

reply to post by Kali74

Personally I could care less about your avatar, it's silliness based lies and propaganda. Your lack of debate from SUPPORTERS probably has more to do with the fact that you have yet to make a valid point.

My avatar illustrates how NAZI Germany started. It seems that we are just following in their footsteps.

reply to post by XPLodER


utter twaddle

there is no rational reason for a port to employ workers as " day labourers " - on call

modern vessels have AIS - allowing everyone to know what shipps are due where and when

the schedules USUALLY go like clockwork , yes weather does cause delays -

but the ports know what vessels are due and when

there is no way a ship can appear " unexpectedly " requiring a " on call " staff

This thread does, however, offer an example of why I don't consider collective leftism to be any better than what we are usually given as an alternative.

Given my own experience with the proletariat, I will state here honestly that if I have to choose between the likes of Gordon Gekko running society, or some violent, mindlessly unintelligent, racist, alcohol and/or methamphetamine abusing, blue collar animal, I will choose Gekko in a heartbeat.

That, of course, is the Left's entire problem. The majority of the human population simply do not like them; and there are reasons for that.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Maybe you are, maybe our government in whole is, but I'm not nor is Occupy.

reply to post by Kali74


Well maybe you need to look at history more objectively.

The result of what happened then, achieved 10's of millions of innocent deaths of men women and children. It has also happened time and time again throughout recorded history.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Or maybe you do.

reply to post by Kali74

Actually it is you who is wrong, the Big Bosses of ILWU were not working on behalf of their employees.

You know this how? Who are the "Big Bosses" and "their employees"? Did you mean union officials and union members?

they were doing nothing to straighten out the mess with EGT.

Again, you know this...HOW? Have you ever been to Longview, WA? Ever talked with a member from local 21 or stood in a picket line with them? Ever go to an ILWU union meeting? Ever even talk with a ILWU union official, i.e. "Big Boss"? I am not wrong on the points I made.

The big bosses were against Occupy, not the workers.

The local and international presidents from the ILWU were against the OWS for many reasons that are quite valid. The whole issue was very tricky as it was an attack on union labor. The occupiers, however good intentioned they may have been, did not understand the complexity of this situation and could have caused much damage.

Originally posted by Devino
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Hi XPLodER,
I understand your concern but is there any more information you can bring to this thread. I empethize with my dock working brothers world wide as I am pro-labor and I would like to learn more about what is going on here.

i will give you the information as i understand it, then link to articles from the MSM here in NZ,

the largest milk products co-op in the world works out of NZ fontera,
they would like lower shipping costs to increase thier monopoly hold on the worlds milk products prices,
to pressure for lower shipping costs fontera has threatened to take their shipping to a privately owned port in a place called the port of tauronga.

this provided the auckland port authority with "ammo" to attempt to part time and on call workers at the auckland port, on the grounds that fontera would, "boycott" the auckland port unless costs were reduced.

the auckland port authority is owned by the auckland city council,
the port of tauronga is privatly owned by a large multi national company.

when fontera made its demands on the port of auckland, the port and the unions decided to negotiate to come to an agreement, BUT the auckland port had already advertised for part time on call workers to replace the UNION workers before entering into talks with union reps.

ie they had no intention of negotiating with the workers,
the majority of port workers are family people with kids and morgages ect,
so they were unable to compete with people who can effectively be "on call" and work without knowing "how many hours a week they will work"

this pits a family person against someone with less responsibilities and posably favours workers who are single or who live VERY CLOSE to the port.

using the threat of fontera moving its port operations to another port the port is saying they must do this to compete, which means IMHO that if one port is made "on call"

the others will HAVE to follow suit to COMPETE with aucklands new work structure,
then other ports will HAVE to do the same to stay competitive,

this starts with port workers, EASY TARGET because there is a miss-conception that port workers are over payed and lazy (they are not) but once the port has done it other industries will do the same sighting the port as a sucessful model,

end result will be no wage security, no job secuirity and only people who CAN jump will be employed.

this attacks family men and woman and people who require 40+ hours a week to support thier families.

Mr Parsloe says Ports of Auckland outlined their plan to outsource labour at this morning’s meeting, in contrast to ACIL chief executive Gary Swift’s comments yesterday that ACIL saw outsourcing the workforce as a last resort, and would work towards a negotiated collective agreement.

Read more: www.3news.co.nz...

3 news story

BUT the port was advertising for replacement workers BEFORE the negotiations started,
and fontera COULDNT move their operations at a moments notice, so this was "staged" in the media to give the port the mandate to attack workers.

so this was a pre planned union busting exercise using fontera as justification to change workers conditioins under threat from fontera with back up workers already in place.

it has been spun in the media that this is the workers fault,
but if this is allowed to pass, all ports will be black mailed to follow suit as fontera "picks" which port is "cheepest" and demands that other ports follows suit.

remember this,
ports world wide compete with one another,
they will sight the NZPA as a reason to destroy workers rights in the name of competition in a free market,
WHICH IS NOT THE CASE WHEN FONTERA CAN CALL THE SHOTS

THIS METHOD OF ATTACK ON WORKERS IF SUCCESSFUL WILL BE EXPORTED to other industries

they picked the ports first because of the public missconceptions like the ones shown clearly in this thread

if we stand together all will stay competitive, if one port falls it will be used as a justifycation to make ALL ports more competitive in an open market.

xploder

reply to post by Devino


hellaoccupyoakland.org

reply to post by Kali74


I know you are but what am I?

www.bytwerk.com...

This poster advertises the Nazi charity, the NSV. The text translates: “Health, child protection, fighting poverty, aiding travellers, community, helping mothers: These are the tasks of the National Socialist People’s Charity. Become a member!”

/ off topic

reply to post by thehoneycomb

As for the avatar thing, I will consider changing it.

thank you very much for considering changing your avatar, i understand they can be hard to make and are a personal thing

thanks bud

xploder

reply to post by thehoneycomb


So your problem is with people using signs and posters because the nazis did it?

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by XPLodER

 

As for the avatar thing, I will consider changing it.

I wouldn't, unless a moderator or admin says that they have a problem with it. Xploder might want to remember that supposedly, the entire point of Occupy is meant to be freedom; which should certainly include the freedom to both dislike them, and admit it openly.

If supporters of Occupy try and tell you to cease and desist when you accuse them of authoritarianism, then ultimately all they are doing is proving your point.

hence the reason i asked the owner to CONSIDER changing it,
i would not approach a mod and DEMAND someones art is removed,
even if i find it offensive

ie
i rely on people to be reasonable


xp

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by Kali74

 

Well maybe you need to look at history more objectively.

The result of what happened then, achieved 10's of millions of innocent deaths of men women and children. It has also happened time and time again throughout recorded history.

i will try to explain why i find this offensive,
its hard to be objective when your former people were the ones being gased,
my family WAS jewish..............
i am OCCUPY supporter,

can you see where i am coming from?

xploder

Originally posted by XPLodER
hence the reason i asked the owner to CONSIDER changing it,
i would not approach a mod and DEMAND someones art is removed,
even if i find it offensive

ie
i rely on people to be reasonable

xp

Except you are not being reasonable. I've already said that. He should be able to use that avatar.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by XPLodER

 

No, I am saying you DON"T have a right to work. You have to work as a necessity to survive and provide for you and your family. Work is not to be guaranteed and if you don't like that, then start your own business and choose your own policies and hours.

if policies favour people without families,
only people without families will be hired,

then how de we have families?
xploder

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by XPLodER
hence the reason i asked the owner to CONSIDER changing it,
i would not approach a mod and DEMAND someones art is removed,
even if i find it offensive

ie
i rely on people to be reasonable

xp

Except you are not being reasonable. I've already said that. He should be able to use that avatar.

he IS allowed to use that avatar,
i asked HIM if HE would CONSIDER changing it,
i have not made ANY demands of HIM
i have NOT made a compalint to the MODS
i APROACHED him and asked PLEASE

are WE CLEAR?

ps
this is off topic,
the topic is the auckland port aurthority being used to push a WORKERS loss of rights
they attack the port because of PUBLIC MISS-CONCEPTIONS
ie EASY TARGEt

xp

reply to post by Kali74

So your problem is with people using signs and posters because the nazis did it?

Hardly. The point is that the National Socialist Party of Germany and the Labor Union or Workers Party of Germany framed NAZI Germany to become what it did.

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by XPLodER

 

utter twaddle

there is no rational reason for a port to employ workers as " day labourers " - on call

modern vessels have AIS - allowing everyone to know what shipps are due where and when

the schedules USUALLY go like clockwork , yes weather does cause delays -

but the ports know what vessels are due and when

there is no way a ship can appear " unexpectedly " requiring a " on call " staff

the port authority KNEW the workers would not change from CURRENT conditions to NEW conditions,
this is an excuse to throw 300 plus workers out and hire people who will work under ANY conditon because they are desperate.

what you are saying is the workers must "change conditions" from what has worked for forty years so the port can make MORE money?

with out negotiations?
and already hiring replacements BEFORE entering into negotiations?

look at how this could be used to "replace" hard working family people with DESPERATE non family workers.

its not just the port this could effect, it can be used against all sorts of workers rights.

xploder