Son of the Ruach ha Kodesh

reply to post by jmdewey60

You are "straight odd" by acting like you are the Grand Inquisitor, asking off-topic questions only to harass me.

Really now? This is about Jesus, I asked you a simple Q about Jesus. None of your other posts here are about the Ruach? So, I think you can answer a simple Y or N question about Jesus. You see, this entire thread is about Jesus, not sure if you read the OP, but it would only be "off-Topic" to discuss Santa Claus or G.I. Joe and his friends here. This is only "harassment" because you'll neither say Yes or No. It's not hard watch,..


"Yes, Jesus shed His blood for the remission of my sins."

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Really now? This is about Jesus . . .

The thread is on where Jesus came from.
You are deep in your delusional dream world if you think your questions of Blood are on topic.

Obviously the topic of Jesus' blood is a contentious subject as evidenced by the thread,
"the author of Babylon Mystery changed his mind...."
If you want to discuss that, then go to that thread.

reply to post by jmdewey60

You are deep in your delusional dream world if you think your questions of Blood are on topic.

Well, you should probably fulfill your moral obligation to the rest of the ATS community and report all those questions about the blood of Christ to the mods then. Okay:


New question, (on topic this time):

Did Jesus, who could have been or maybe wasn't the Son of the Ruach HaKodesh, shed His blood for the remission of your sins? Yes or No?

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Did Jesus, who could have been or maybe wasn't the Son of the Ruach HaKodesh, shed His blood for the remission of your sins? Yes or No?

My complaint about you is your personal attacks, name calling, and bullying.
You are not advancing Jesus in your posts but only pursuing self satisfaction for beating down people you only see as opponents on your road to victory in coming out on top of your fantasy debating competition.

reply to post by jmdewey60


I'm going to go with either "NO", "Maybe" or "I don't know"...

You're playing games and wasting my time. If you don't want to discuss anything, then don't quote me or reply to me. Because in the process of answering your question demands, I'll be asking my own questions as well.

Go start a blog.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Did Jesus shed His blood for your sins?

Jesus bled when he was crucified.
This was done to him by sinful people.
All the things Jesus did in connection to this were done because
people were under the power of sin, directly or indirectly.

So in other words, you do not believe that this was in God's plan, even though Jesus said "your will be done" when praying in the Garden of Gathsemane when he begged to have that cup removed from him if it were possible.

Not to mention it removes the entire prophecy in Genesis chapter 22 of God providing his own sacrifice.

Genesis 22: 6-8

6 So Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife, and the two of them went together. 7 But Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!”

And he said, “Here I am, my son.”

Then he said, “Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”

8 And Abraham said, “My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” So the two of them went together

If it wasn't in God's plan then he sure made quite a fanfare of foreshadowing of the events where Christ was to carry the wood he was to be sacrificed on, just as Isaac had.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

So in other words, you do not believe that this was in God's plan, even though Jesus said "your will be done" when praying in the Garden of Gathsemane when he begged to have that cup removed from him if it were possible.

Jesus begged God for the "cup to pass from him" because he knew the crucifixion drew near. He felt true fear... Could these be the words of a man who willingly died for your sins?
Do you want a man who begged to be saved....to pay the price for YOUR sins?

You are worse than the Roman executioners who nailed Jesus to the cross....
because even they never imagined an innocent man is dying for their sins.

"Christians" seek to profit from the suffering of Jesus.... by embracing a myth that Jesus died for all sin, by all mankind. You know very well that the Roman execution that Jesus suffered was NOT ritualistic... yet, you turn Jesus' execution into a sacrifice for sin.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

So in other words, you do not believe that this was in God's plan, even though Jesus said "your will be done" when praying in the Garden of Gathsemane when he begged to have that cup removed from him if it were possible.

Jesus begged God for the "cup to pass from him" because he knew the crucifixion drew near. He felt true fear... Could these be the words of a man who willingly died for your sins?
Do you want a man who begged to be saved....to pay the price for YOUR sins?

You are worse than the Roman executioners who nailed Jesus to the cross....
because even they never imagined an innocent man is dying for their sins.

"Christians" seek to profit from the suffering of Jesus.... by embracing a myth that Jesus died for all sin, by all mankind. You know very well that the Roman execution that Jesus suffered was NOT ritualistic... yet, you turn Jesus' execution into a sacrifice for sin.

You obviously missed something in that story. That "cup" wasn't the cross, He was terrified of. It was the cup of His Father's wrath. Countless Christians after that joyfully danced to their own crosses and burning stakes singing hymns, and you want us to believe the Messiah was so TERRIFIED of the cross that He sweat His own blood????? Are you nuts?

Christ drank that cup, exclaimed "It is finished!", turned that cup upsiode down and not a single drop of His Father's wrath was left inside.

"For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me; Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send thee, to drink it." Jeremiah 25:15

"Thus saith thy Lord the LORD, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again:" Isaiah 51:22

Jesus was no sissy boy pansy, that "cup" was His Father's righteous Holy wrath, that He knew He'd soon drink of, till every drop was gone.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

You obviously missed something in that story. That "cup" wasn't the cross, He was terrified of. It was the cup of His Father's wrath......
Jesus was no sissy boy pansy, that "cup" was His Father's righteous Holy wrath, that He knew He'd soon drink of, till every drop was gone.

Shortly after he prayed for the "cup to be taken away", when the men came to arrest him... Jesus told one of his "companions" who drew his sword....

"Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?"


Jesus was not afraid of his Fathers wrath.

It is you who have missed something.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Well, you can venerate sissyboy Issa who cowered in fear for something His men and women followers would soon joyfully endure while singing Him praises of worship.

That "cup' was the cup of wrath of His Father. He endured so none of us have to.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

So in other words, you do not believe that this was in God's plan, even though Jesus said "your will be done" when praying in the Garden of Gathsemane when he begged to have that cup removed from him if it were possible.

I have no idea how you could have come to that conclusion.

If it wasn't in God's plan then he sure made quite a fanfare of foreshadowing of the events where Christ was to carry the wood he was to be sacrificed on, just as Isaac had.

What "fanfare"?

reply to post by jmdewey60

I have no idea how you could have come to that conclusion.

*raises hand*

I do!

"Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want YOUR WILL to be done, not mine."

Luke 22:42


Now, I realize I'm really fuzzy and ignorant to English as you've pointed out every other time I post a scripture verse or two, but it looks like,.. yeah,.. it looks to me like, Jesus says that it's the Father's will.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Well, you can venerate sissyboy Issa who cowered in fear for something His men and women followers would soon joyfully endure while singing Him praises of worship.

That "cup' was the cup of wrath of His Father. He endured so none of us have to.

Except, the text shortly after Jesus praying for the cup to be taken away shows that Jesus was confident about God sending him legions of angels. It doesn't look like Jesus was fearing the wrath of God... thats something YOU are adding in there.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


And no... Isa was no "sissyboy".
I've heard many christians say that Jesus was looking for the cup to be passed because he was human...

In your case, you also believe that Jesus was God was himself....and yet you say that Jesus feared God.
Well, how can God fear God?

The answer is that Jesus prayed for the cup to be taken was for the same reason that any human would fear being nailed to a cross.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Well, you can venerate sissyboy Issa who cowered in fear for something His men and women followers would soon joyfully endure while singing Him praises of worship.

That "cup' was the cup of wrath of His Father. He endured so none of us have to.

Except, the text shortly after Jesus praying for the cup to be taken away shows that Jesus was confident about God sending him legions of angels. It doesn't look like Jesus was fearing the wrath of God... thats something YOU are adding in there.

Okay, well if you believe that, like I said, ignore sentence two and focus on the first one. I really don't know what else to tell you man. My Jesus could whoop your Issa's ass. He sounds like a wussy. Expecting His followers to die horrible murderous deaths and be tortured for His "name sake", yet He begs to be spared from it all Himself?

GOTCHA!

No wonder you guys don't worship Issa as God, your version is not only a raging sissyboy, but a huge hypocritical douchebag too.

Keep your Issa, I've already found the Lord Jesus Christ.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

In your case, you also believe that Jesus was God was himself....and yet you say that Jesus feared God.
Well, how can God fear God?

He was also 100% human. Don't overlook His humanity.

The cross is the only time Jesus called Him "MY GOD" instead of "MY Father." When He was walking through the city, Simon of Sirene (sp?) carried His cross for Him. Why? The purpose of carrying one's cross is to endure the shame and guilt from everyone as they passed through town.

Jesus was innocent, He had no guilt. Barabbas and Jesus is again a picture of redemption. Barabbas was given the freedom and entitlements of Christ who was innocent, and Christ took all the punishment a condemned man deserved. Barabbas was freed without conditions, Christ was put to death for nothing He did.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

The answer is that Jesus prayed for the cup to be taken was for the same reason that any human would fear being nailed to a cross.

I don't think you are paying close attention. His followers sure didn't fear the cross, they nearly fought eachother to be first in line to die in the same manner their Lord did as martyrs, they SANG HYMNS as they carried their crosses or while they were covered in tar and burned as street lights in Rome. Peter requested to be crucified upside down and it was granted to him.

Besides, fear is a sin if you read Revelation, in fact, it's the first sin mentioned on the list.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

Jesus begged God for the "cup to pass from him" because he knew the crucifixion drew near. He felt true fear... Could these be the words of a man who willingly died for your sins?

Yes, actually i do because on my own power i will end up in eternal death. You can't pay for your sins, ever the entire point of the 613 laws in the Torah was to show the hebrew peoples that they couldn't possibly keep everyone of those laws every day and all the time, which is why they needed to offer rams/lambs/goats as a scapegoat sacrifice because a blood debt was owed for sin.

He knew he had to die it was the entire point for his sacrifice.

John 13:21-30

21 When Jesus had said these things, He was troubled in spirit, and testified and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, one of you will betray Me.” 22 Then the disciples looked at one another, perplexed about whom He spoke.

23 Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24 Simon Peter therefore motioned to him to ask who it was of whom He spoke.

25 Then, leaning back on Jesus’ breast, he said to Him, “Lord, who is it?”

26 Jesus answered, “It is he to whom I shall give a piece of bread when I have dipped it.” And having dipped the bread, He gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. 27 Now after the piece of bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, “What you do, do quickly.” 28 But no one at the table knew for what reason He said this to him. 29 For some thought, because Judas had the money box, that Jesus had said to him, “Buy those things we need for the feast,” or that he should give something to the poor.

30 Having received the piece of bread, he then went out immediately. And it was night.

He knew it was coming, if he had wanted to stop it he could have by casting Satan out of Judas, but he didn't because it was already planned. Sure he feared, he was in the flesh of a man, you would fear too if you knew you were going to experience that kind of torture.

John 15:9-17

9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

11 “These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. 12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. 15 No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. 17 These things I command you, that you love one another.

All part of the plan. Notice he said keep HIS commandments, this was part and parcel of his second covenant with man.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

The cross is the only time Jesus called Him "MY GOD" instead of "MY Father."

He was reciting Psalms 22.

When He was walking through the city, Simon of Sirene (sp?) carried His cross for Him. Why? The purpose of carrying one's cross is to endure the shame and guilt from everyone as they passed through town.

There is nothing in the Bible that suggest this is true.

Jesus was innocent, He had no guilt.

Paul says he was accursed, by the fact that he was hung.

Barabbas and Jesus is again a picture of redemption.

Maybe in your own mind but it is never described as such anywhere else in the Bible.

Barabbas was given the freedom and entitlements of Christ who was innocent, and Christ took all the punishment a condemned man deserved. Barabbas was freed without conditions, Christ was put to death for nothing He did.

Barabbas was not given any entitlements. At this point, Jesus had no freedom to transfer to anyone else, already being in custody and condemned. The addition of Barabbas to the story is to point out the evil nature of the crowd and to point out the contrast in character to Jesus. Jesus was found guilty by the Jews for blasphemy for claiming to be equal to God, and was found guilty by the Roman authority for insurrection, for claiming to be the king of the Jews.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

I don't think you are paying close attention. His followers sure didn't fear the cross, they nearly fought eachother to be first in line to die in the same manner their Lord did as martyrs, they SANG HYMNS as they carried their crosses or while they were covered in tar and burned as street lights in Rome. Peter requested to be crucified upside down and it was granted to him.

At this point they were afraid and ran away.
Peter mustered up courage to approach the area where Jesus had been taken, but when confronted, backed down from being associated with Jesus.