Son of the Ruach ha Kodesh

Jesus is the Son of the Holy Spirit. Being the Son of the Holy Spirit he was able to resist temptation, because he knew the truth. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, so naturally Jesus would know the truth. Jesus said he had all the power his Father has and could do everything his Father can do because his Father showed him how. Jesus also said his Father could only be worshipped in spirit because he is a spirit.

Now ask yourself. Who is God? Jesus is the Word, but in the beginning there was only one God and the Word was with him and the Word was him. So before Christ's physical manifestation into this realm he was Yahovah Yireh/Yahweh the Holy Spirit. Jesus also said that he and his Father were one and he told Philip that he who has seen the Son has seen the Father, that the Father (Holy Spirit) was in him and he was in the Father (Holy Spirit) and that if Philip couldn't believe what he was told then to believe on the works of Jesus for proof.

The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it.

John’s Witness: The True Light
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own,[c] and His own[d] did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The Word Becomes Flesh
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”

16 And[e] of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,[f] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

A Voice in the Wilderness
19 Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?”

20 He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.”

21 And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?”

He said, “I am not.”

“Are you the Prophet?”

And he answered, “No.”

22 Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?”

23 He said: “I am

‘The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
“Make straight the way of the Lord,”’[g]

as the prophet Isaiah said.”

24 Now those who were sent were from the Pharisees. 25 And they asked him, saying, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?”

26 John answered them, saying, “I baptize with water, but there stands One among you whom you do not know. 27 It is He who, coming after me, is preferred before me, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose.”

28 These things were done in Bethabara[h] beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.

The Lamb of God
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is He of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ 31 I did not know Him; but that He should be revealed to Israel, therefore I came baptizing with water.”

32 And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. 33 I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.”

What's the point of this thread? If I wanted to read the Bible, I would buy one.

Is there some hidden message? All I see here is you spreading the so-called "word".

Originally posted by Starchild23
What's the point of this thread?

Now ask yourself. Who is God?

This is to get some people to think about who Jesus really is. Albeit when he returns he will have a new name, we will still know him.

Originally posted by Starchild23
What's the point of this thread? If I wanted to read the Bible, I would buy one.

Is there some hidden message? All I see here is you spreading the so-called "word".

The hidden message is for the sleepers. Those chosen to bear witness. You were not chosen to bear witness, so you will not understand.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Starchild23
What's the point of this thread? If I wanted to read the Bible, I would buy one.

Is there some hidden message? All I see here is you spreading the so-called "word".

The hidden message is for the sleepers. Those chosen to bear witness. You were not chosen to bear witness, so you will not understand.

And you were chosen to bear witness?

Please specify exactly what this hidden message is. This site was not made for anyone to be treated with deference, nor favoritism. If there is a message hidden, or a secret buried, among these quotes that you have posted, please make it known.

You asked who god is...if you have an answer, please share it.

Thanks op for this post ..Yes, it is true that without the belief that there is a God one cannot hear His voice or understand what He is saying in His word of truth.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

This is to get some people to think about who Jesus really is. Albeit when he returns he will have a new name, we will still know him.

"The message of God to humanity dwelt among us" is what the Gospel of John, chapter one is saying.
It is not saying that Jesus is The Word.
John 1 can not be used to prove either that Jesus is the Word, or that Jesus is the son of anyone.
There really is nothing explicit in John 1 about the Holy Spirit.
The idea of someone being a son of the Holy Spirit is simply heretical from a Christian standpoint.
Jesus was an actual person, and of the god variety, before he became a human.
Jesus was still the same person as he was but had divested himself of those god qualities that differentiated himself from other humans, in order to become one of us.
The scene being described in John 1 is the appearance of "The message of God to humanity".
First was the appearance of the Baptist, and then the word, through the intermediary of introduction by the spokesman of who came after him. What came next was the filling of Jesus, as he arose from the baptismal water, by the spirit sent directly from God Himself, reaching down from Heaven. Then the word dwelt among man as this prophetic spirit that was connected directly to God, where the words Jesus spoke were chosen by God.

Jesus returned, as promised, after being received in Heaven, and being given power by God, to confer a portion of that power onto his disciples to go out and preach the Gospel, and to found the Church of Jesus.
Jesus is not going to go by another name.
Anyone who shows up claiming to be Jesus, and having another name other than Jesus, is the antichrist to decieve those who are damned.

THE WORD OF GOD. 37. www.mun.ca...

We now come to the most sublime number of all, 37, but as this number verifies fundamental truths concerning the. Godhead, a brief exploration of what the Bible teaches about God is essential for the help of those who have no knowledge of this vital subject.

Firstly remember, God is Spirit. John 4:24.

The New Testament clearly teaches that the Godhead consists of the LORD God, the Almighty, His only begotten Son, (John 3:16. Colossians 1:15), and the Spirit of God.

Now, in due time, the Son of God, The Word, (Greek LOGOS), John 1:1, came to this word, was clothed in human flesh, and suffered and died in the flesh. His blood shed as the price of our Redemption, 1 Peter 1:18-19. 'Redeemed with the precious blood of Christ as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. His soul delivered from hell, Acts 2:31, and His resurrection the surety of our own, Romans 6:4-5 and 1 Peter 1:3-4, which is 'An inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you.'

Anyone who denies the Deity of Christ has never even begun to realise the sacrifice of the Saviour, and can have no understanding of John 3:16-17.

As briefly recorded before the number 3 signifies Divine Perfection, or Godhead, and 7 His Seal, and the combination of the two is, that most sublime of numbers 37.

It signifies THE WORD OF GOD sealing vital truths of the written Word, and revealing Him who is the LIVING WORD.

You will have noticed how God, when expressing key truths, carries the number to the third place, such as 888, 666, and 999.

This number 37 itself has a deep significance in that it unifies the product when multiplied by three, or a multiple of three. Thus 37x3 is 111, 37x6 is 222, 37x9 is 333.

This is the only number which so unifies the product, a perfect pointer to Christ, the Son of God who alone can unify men of every nation and tongue, and thus bring peace on earth, and goodwill among men.

In John 1:1 we read, 'In the beginning was the Word.'

And here we have the KEY to this sublime combination of the three and the seven, and in this word LOGOS we have the numbers expressed in their highest form 373 as follows, L=30, O=70, G=3, O=70, S=200.

A further verification of this clue to the Godhead number of Christ is found in Colossians 1:15.

He is expressed as the 'Image of God'.

Now the Greek here for IMAGE and GOD, has the numerical value of 1,369 or 37x37.

We read in John 1:1-3. 'And the Word was God, the same was in the beginning with God, All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made.' And in Colossians 2:9. 'For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.', and Colossians 1:16, following the verse above, 'For by Him were all things created.'

Let someone explain how this fact was numerically sealed in Genesis 1 some thousands of years before 'the WORD was made flesh' John 1:14, by marvellously weaving His Godhead number 37 into the very words of the Hebrew text, 'In the beginning God'.

We saw the hidden significance of that text whose. Gematria was 999, but now hidden within the number itself we find the first verification of the truth of John 1:3. 'All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made,' because 999 is 3x9x37, or 27x37.

The whole thing is significant whichever factors you look at.

If you add the three nines you get 27 again, and 27 is the cube of three, or three taken to its highest place. And so the WORD 37, is revealed, in the highest place, 27, 3x3x3, as stated in John.

Now take 777, the gematria of the three nouns of Genesis 1:1, 'God', 'Heaven', and 'Earth'. What does this further reveal?

Why. The WORD in the midst of the creative acts, again verifying John 1:3, for 777 is 37x3x7.

Remember I said there were exactly seven Hebrew words in the whole verse Genesis 1:1 and the astounding fact is revealed that God has sealed it with over 30 combinations of 7's and 37's. And that is not all, for if we add the gematria of those seven words, they total exactly 2,701, which is 73x37, the significant result being that they can be turned upside down, as it were, and still present the same truth.

Note also that the gematria of LOGOS, 373, has exactly the same and however we twist them the figures 37 confront us. It seems the Holy Spirit is impressing in these numerics the fact that 'THE WORD' is the very centre of the whole plan of God. Colossians 1:16. 'All things were made BY HIM, and FOR HIM.' Now for the benefit of those who will not acknowledge the fact that Jesus Christ is the very Word, (LOGOS), and so the actual Creator as clearly stated in Colossians 1:15-16, let us see further what the Spirit has hidden in His Name.

In Matthew 1:21, the passage we examined in the section The Birth of Christ, we noted how the angel declared His name was to be Jesus, and in the section Resurrection, we have seen how the gematria of that name Jesus, 888, seals Him as the Resurrection and the Life, but He was more than this as the Scriptures very plainly, and definitely teach.

Now see how God has marvellously placed these vital truths within the very numbers of His name. Not only are the facts here in figures, but only a miracle on the part of God could put them there.

Remember, 888 is 24x37.

Take first the 24. In the opening words of the New Testament we see that Jesus was called the Son of David, as prophecy had declared He would be and incredible though it may seem, 24 is one Hebrew value of David, (spelt two ways).

'The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.' John 1:14. He became the man Christ Jesus in the world, this is also contained in the 24 as 6 and 4, six representing man, and four the world.

And the stupendous truth is that man could have no part in this incarnation for He was still the very WORD of GOD, clothed in human flesh, as shown in the name Jesus which still retains His Godhead number 37.

Further, what of the second Name given to our Lord, that of Christ, meaning Anointed?

We saw, in that chapter Resurrection, how the gematria of Christ was 1,480 and that it contained The Resurrection number 8, but as we examine it further we see that it also has 37 revealing Him as The WORD, and the number 5 representing Grace, the free gift of God, 1,480, is 8x37x5.

Now combine these two precious names.

First Jesus Christ. The gematria is 2,368 or 37x8x8 and these figures have further wonder for us. 37 the Word. 8 The Resurrection, and 8 The Life.

Second, His own special Title the Son of Man whose gematria is 2,960 or 37x2x5x8, and shows Him as The Word 37, the Witness 2, of the Grace of God 5, by the Resurrection 8.

Marvellous beyond words is this revelation, as it were, of the Holy Spirit.

In Colossians 2:9 we read these stupendous words, 'For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.'

This word, 'Theotes', Godhead does not occur in any other place in the Bible. The reason for the Holy Spirit using it is obvious. for its gematria is 592 or 37x2x8. The WORD was God 37, 'the faithful Witness' 2, and 'the first begotten from the dead' 8. Revelation 1:5, 'from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten from the dead.'

What I am especially emphasising is the fact that the retention of this 37 with the number 8 amounts to a miracle as I shall show later when we examine some figures which have both these factors. And I want the person who wants facts, (and facts which amount to a miracle), to carefully grasp what I am showing. The fact that these numbers are there in the titles of our Lord.

On the surface this may not strike the reader as anything wonderful, but if we had no other evidence that Jesus was the Son of God, and that these names were God-breathed, as are all the Scriptures, we have it here.

The Word of God says, Luke 16:31. 'If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.' How true this is. Is it true of you?

If you want evidence. If you must have proof, that Christ was the Son of God, that He is the Resurrection and the Life, here is proof.

In John 11:25 Jesus declares, 'I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.'

If Jesus then is the Resurrection, here is His guarantee that you also will be raised to life eternal if you simply believe and accept Him as your Saviour, who died in your stead.

Let me now show how what we have seen concealed in the titles of our Lord constitute a miracle. Remember no one can alter the numeric value of a name, or word, that is, every letter in the Greek has its fixed value. Let me further elaborate by listing the values in the name of Jesus in Greek, they are I-10, E-8, S-200, 0-70, U-400, S-200, Total 888 or 37x8x3.

I think I have given ample evidence that 8 is the Resurrection number, and that 37 is the Godhead number of Jesus, but here is where the miraculous begins.

Only ONE number in 296 can have both factors of 8 and 37. In other words the first number that will divide equally by 8 and 37 is 296, and before you would find another number that would equally divide you would have to carry on for another 296 numbers, and so on.

So, that to find a name of which the numeric value would be such as to divide by 8 and 37 equally, you would have only one chance in 296. But to find one person, with two names that would divide thus, would be very, very rare indeed. Actually the chances are 1 in 87,616, according to the Law of chance, or averages.

Now then. Here is a Person not only with seven names or titles all bearing the factor of 8, (1 in 2,970,152), but also with at least four titles, (not including the twin title of Jesus Christ), which have the two factors of 8 and 37, (1 in 7,656,563,456)!

Further the chances of one Person bearing four titles with factors of 8 and 37, and also of having three titles bearing factors of 8 is, 1 in 1,498,400,489,472!

Someone will say I do not understand all these numbers!

Well, you do not need to understand, just look at the immensity of it all and grasp that It is a MIRACLE!

Let me give you a brief illustration.

If the earth's population were about two billion one would need to have about 750 earths each with that number of people on it, to have a reasonable chance of finding even ONE SINGLE PERSON whose names would reveal what I have demonstrated are present in the names and titles of our Lord, assuming of course that each had a similar number of titles!

This is but ONE of the numerous designs found in the Bible and any one can check these figures, and if one has a little knowledge of Greek, the title values, but God does not leave it just there either, for like many of the designs in seven's, there are again patterns within the pattern.

Now let me give you those figures between 1 and 3,000 which have those factors of 8 and 37. There are only TEN of them.

296
592 . . . . . Theotes
888 . . . . . Jesus
1184
1480 . . . . . Christ
1776
2072
2368 . . . . . Jesus Christ
2664
2960 . . . . . Son of Man

Five of these are actually the numeric value of His titles and the numbers which apply to Him are worthy of note. Again the casual reading of this may not reveal anything unusual, yet here is seen the finger of God, not only in design, but verifying vital truths.

Theotes 592 37x8x2 Very God
Jesus 888 37x8x3 Very Man
Christ 1480 37x8x5 Our Passover
Son of Man 2960 37x8x10 Son of Man
Total 5920 37x8x4x5 The Climax

This last number 5,920 being the exact total of the phrase in Matthew 25:B, 'Behold THE BRIDEGROOM cometh go Ye out to meet HIM.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

Now ask yourself. Who is God?

God is the Alpha, the Omega, All.

Alpha is God.
Omega is God.
All is God.

You can not attribute form to the formless. You can not categorize that which is timeless.

Now ask yourself. Who is not God?

Originally posted by Starchild23
What's the point of this thread? If I wanted to read the Bible, I would buy one.

Is there some hidden message? All I see here is you spreading the so-called "word".

The Word never returns void. The same one spoken of here is the same Savior speaking to us from the words in the verses of the OP:

Isaiah 55

1 “Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.
2 Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and you will delight in the richest of fare.
3 Give ear and come to me;
listen, that you may live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
my faithful love promised to David.
4 See, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
a ruler and commander of the peoples.

And here in Isaiah 53 as well. Much better if you listen to it.

1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

Thanks for the OP.
Now, by way of some clarificaiton, can you produce a single verse in Scripture where Jesus Christ is referred to as the Son of the Holy Spirit?

...no, didn't think so.

Originally posted by Sahabi
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Now ask yourself. Who is God?

God is the Alpha, the Omega, All.

Alpha is God.
Omega is God.
All is God.

You can not attribute form to the formless. You can not categorize that which is timeless.

Now ask yourself. Who is not God?

edit on 3/3/12 by Sahabi because: (no reason given)

That's flawed logic.
That's like saying "God is love; therefore, love is God".
One does not follow from the other.

Likewise you could say "Ronald McDonald has red hair, therefore red haired people are all Ronald McDonald".
It doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by Awen24
Thanks for the OP.
Now, by way of some clarificaiton, can you produce a single verse in Scripture where Jesus Christ is referred to as the Son of the Holy Spirit?

...no, didn't think so.

You mean like this?

Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

I just proved he's the Son of the Holy Spirit straight from Mattiyahu. He didn't say God the Father, he said Ruach ha Kodesh, so whenever Jesus references his Father he is talking about the Holy Spirit. Now you know why he refused to teach in anything other than parables after the pharisees and Sanhedrin insulted the Holy Spirit by calling Him an unclean spirit.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


So where does Mary figure in all of this??

Jesus was created by God, directly inside Mary's womb. And he grew biologically like any other child. Mary performed her biological role... carrying Jesus for 9 months and giving birth to him, like any other woman.

So if the biological Jesus is "divine", then logically, Mary has to be the "mother" of divinity, even if she herself isn't divine...which is absurd.

The truth is that Mary was simply chosen by God to perform a task...carry and gjve birth to Jesus, who was a very special creation.... but still another human. Jesus had a divine essence in him... but he was still a created biological being.

"In The Three Steles of Seth the heavenly Seth is credited with three steles inscribed with praises offered up by Seth to the heavenly triad of Father, Mother, and Son." (Gnosticism, Judaism, and Egyptian Christianity, by Birger A. Pearson)

The author is describing an example of Jewish Gnosticism.

reply to post by Awen24


In the beginning was Jesus (a.k.a. The Word), and Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God. Jesus was with God in the beginning. (John 1:1-2)
There are Three who were present in the beginning: The Father, Jesus The Son, and The Holy Spirit; and These Three are One God. (1 John 5:7)

Jesus, being born of a virgin, became human and lived among us. God was with us in human flesh. (Matthew 1:23; John 1:14)
As a child Jesus was obedient to His mother Mary and His adoptive father Joseph. (Luke 2:51)

Jesus was in the world, and the world was made by Jesus, but people did not know Jesus as God. (John 1:10)

God The Father raised Jesus from the dead (Romans 10:9), Jesus raised Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21; John 10:17-18), and The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (Romans 8:11)
Jesus did many other miracles, which are not written here. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is The Christ, The Son of God, and that by believing in Him, you may have everlasting life. (John 20:30-31)



I could go on with more. Is this good enough for you?

reply to post by Iason321

In the beginning was Jesus . . .

That's funny, my Bible reads,

. . . and the Word was God.

John 1:1
It looks to me like you have words switched around.
You might want to check to make sure you don't have a defective Bible.

reply to post by jmdewey60


All I did was replace the word, Word, with Jesus. As the Logos referernced in this verse, is Jesus.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

Jesus was created by God, directly inside Mary's womb.

Not exactly, Jesus added humanity to His divinity and took the form of a man inside Mary's womb. Jesus was not created, He's God who came as a man.