The Conspiracy about Muslims

If you ask any Muslim what is your religion or what do you believe that Islam is about? They would say Peace.

Here are some quotes from the peace loving book of islam. Spoken by muhammad himself no less......

- Truly, god loves those who fight

- Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them,
and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for
them in every stratagem.

- Chop off their hands and chop off their fingertips

- When you meet the unbelievers, chop off their
heads

- Fight and slay those who don't convert wherever
you find them

- Believers, take neither Jew nor Christians for your
friends

- Those who follow Muhammad are ruthless to
unbelievers

- Those who reject Islam are "the vilest of creatures"
and thus deserve no mercy

- Fight them until Islam reigns supreme (throughout
the world)

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

If this isn't motivation for muslims to be violent, I don't know what is. At least there's no mystery where they're getting it from.

Im no scholar so i dont have the right to say what exactly every word means and the hadiths are stories hundreds of them, so i can not answer every question, but i will try and if i do not know i will say it. One thing i do know is that the rules on "murder" resides in mortal combat.
please watch this itll answer more questions than i can

please and thank you seriously though watch it it will take less than ten min out of your day

reply to post by Atzil321


Not until Islam is supreme but until there is no horrendous actions being played
the guy in the video used terrorism to explain that quote

i really do hate when people snip out the pieces they want people to hear

About that video, there is zero evidence to support Jesus was Muslim. There is more than enough evidence to support Jesus was Jewish and Christian, he built his church, called forth 12 Apostles to preach Christianity, not Islam, Christianity.

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did he call upon people to worship him?

Originally posted by DuecesxGeneral
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Not until Islam is supreme but until there is no horrendous actions being played

You described the first part of this quote, but not the second part:

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

So it's ironic that you also said this:

"i really do hate when people snip out the pieces they want people to hear"

Originally posted by DuecesxGeneral
reply to post by Atzil321

 

Not until Islam is supreme but until there is no horrendous actions being played
the guy in the video used terrorism to explain that quote

edit on 2-3-2012 by DuecesxGeneral because: add

i really do hate when people snip out the pieces they want people to hear

edit on 2-3-2012 by DuecesxGeneral because: (no reason given)

for goodness sake op
where are you going
you sound like musilini
you say one thing and another
as your a relative noob
id hate to say troll
but i will think it

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im trying to explain it, just hold on i will get back to you on it.

Originally posted by DuecesxGeneral
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im trying to explain it, just hold on i will get back to you on it.

ok
i will bite my tongue lol

reply to post by bl4ke360


sorry.
im giving you a translation not a quote lol
it says stop when they stop
*please hold on i will be back shortly.* i have class to attend
to learn something even a quote you have to understand the history behind it. like everything you hear will not apply to. like thats basic understanding. lol
when this was said he told this to the people who were being attacked that were going on their Pilgrimage.

*please hold on i will be back shortly.* i have class to attend

Originally posted by DuecesxGeneral
If you ask any Muslim what is your religion or what do you believe that Islam is about? They would say Peace. So if Islam was divided, lets say 1 percent is the extremist and that is giving way too much. So why do they represent the 2.2 billion people, the whole 100?

First of all, the majority of muslims themselves unanimously say islam is about submission, not peace. Secondly, your logic is off. You ask why the 1 percent extremists of islam represent 2.2 billion people, but that is not the case. The koran represents those 2.2 billion people, and if you've studied the koran you'd see that the "extremists" are actually the good muslims according to the teachings in the koran, and the so-called 99% "moderate" muslims are not being good muslims. The fact is, based on the koran, you cannot be a moderate muslim at the same time you follow the koran. That's a contradiction.
Here's a nice quote from the koran which supports this.
Verse 5:51 - "Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another."
Obviously we know plenty of muslims have non-muslim friends. Even I myself have some.

This can only mean two things. 1- 99% of all muslims are not true muslims according to the koran.
2- 99% of all muslims are lying or downplaying their own beliefs publicly, while privately showing their true form.

Either way, quotes like those prove that "extremists" are actually the good and faithful muslims, and the koran itself supports this.

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by DuecesxGeneral
If you ask any Muslim what is your religion or what do you believe that Islam is about? They would say Peace. So if Islam was divided, lets say 1 percent is the extremist and that is giving way too much. So why do they represent the 2.2 billion people, the whole 100?

First of all, the majority of muslims themselves unanimously say islam is about submission, not peace. Secondly, your logic is off. You ask why the 1 percent extremists of islam represent 2.2 billion people, but that is not the case. The koran represents those 2.2 billion people, and if you've studied the koran you'd see that the "extremists" are actually the good muslims according to the teachings in the koran, and the so-called 99% "moderate" muslims are not being good muslims. The fact is, based on the koran, you cannot be a moderate muslim at the same time you follow the koran. That's a contradiction.
Here's a nice quote from the koran which supports this.
Verse 5:51 - "Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another."
Obviously we know plenty of muslims have non-muslim friends. Even I myself have some.

This can only mean two things. 1- 99% of all muslims are not true muslims according to the koran.
2- 99% of all muslims are lying or downplaying their own beliefs publicly, while privately showing their true form.

Either way, quotes like those prove that "extremists" are actually the good and faithful muslims, and the koran itself supports this.

edit on 3/2/2012 by bl4ke360 because: (no reason given)

in a way you are right but it s twisted im telling you but i cant prove it lol.

To understand the issue of befriending the Jews, Christians or people of any other faith, we have to study all the concerned verses from the Quran collectively. Let us look at some other verses about this issue. The following two verses regulate relations with any people, regardless of faith: As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably. (Quran 60:8) God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship; it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers! (Quran 60:9) From the above verses, we learn that we are only discouraged from befriending those who fight Muslims because of their religion. Now let's go back to the verse immediately after 5:51, to see if it sheds some further light on the issue. And yet you can not see how those in whose hearts there is disease vie with one another for their good will (the hostile Jews and Christians), saying [to themselves], "We do fear lest a change of fortune bring us disaster." But God may well bring about good fortune [for the believers] or any [other] event of His own devising, whereupon those [waverers] will be smitten with remorse for the thoughts which they had secretly harboured within themselves- (Quran 5:52) During the time of the Prophet when the Jews and Christians were in open conflict with the Muslims, there were some Muslims who were more concerned about maintaining there alliances with the Jews and Christians at the expense of the Muslim community. The above verse is referring to such situations where Muslims with doubts in their hearts will ally themselves with the enemy.

Chapter 5 Verse 57 of the Quran makes it clear again, who are not to be taken as friends; O you who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but remain conscious of God, if you are (truly) believers. (Quran 5:57) God teaches us throughout the Quran that there are righteous Jews and Christians. As such there is no prohibition for Muslims to be friends with Jews, Christians or people of any other faith who are of good character.

and by submitting you are submitting to peace

reply to post by DuecesxGeneral




you want to try living in the UK, the media goes out of their way to paint Islam in a positive light, always saying things like

"vast majority of Muslims are peaceful/abhor violence etc "

reply to post by blueorder


i never knew that over here the fbi goes outta there way to watch every muslim student in the north east.
It was hilarious when i found out, because he was like " thats crazy they were probably watching me and my boy when we were smoking weed behind some building" he goes to rutgers


even if they believed they were being good muslims, how as a human being can you live with yourself after killing innocent people

I'm going to bed now so this is the last thing I have to say about the subject. Let me make an analogy. When you leave food out and and you find an ant infestation afterward, how do you get rid of the problem? Do you kill the ants and assume the problem is dealt with? No, because the problem lies at the source. Where those ants came from. Similarly, the violent muslim extremists can be seen as the ants in the analogy, and the only method about preventing their violence is to destroy the source. Otherwise they will keep coming back like the ants would. The source of course is the koran. If the koran was invalidated, violent muslims would cease to exist. That's why the "war on terror" is pointless because there will be a never-ending supply of muslim combatants. For the record I am not against muslims, but the teachings of islam. Indoctrination (especially at an early age) can make people do illogical things. In any case, islam has shown itself to produce more harm than good, and until we realize this, the problems will not go away. While all of the above can be applied to all religions where people have committed violence in the name of their religion, I'm directing this at islam specifically because it has the highest amount of violence/terrorism attributed to it, and I don't see the world benefiting from it. Too much violence resulting from islam, and I have yet to see peace. Muslims even attack muslims all the time, mostly because of having different interpretations of aspects of their religion, so even if the entire human population converts to islam, there would still be wars. Surely if Islam was a religion of so-called peace, I would be seeing some of it by now.

op

your on your fone at school
are you actualy learning or posting mindless crap on here
stick to your schooling
thats way more lucrative than anything you can experience

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I just fin getting ready im about to go to class in like 5 to 10 min

Originally posted by bl4ke360
I'm going to bed now so this is the last thing I have to say about the subject. Let me make an analogy. When you leave food out and and you find an ant infestation afterward, how do you get rid of the problem? Do you kill the ants and assume the problem is dealt with? No, because the problem lies at the source. Where those ants came from. Similarly, the violent muslim extremists can be seen as the ants in the analogy, and the only method about preventing their violence is to destroy the source. Otherwise they will keep coming back like the ants would. The source of course is the koran. If the koran was invalidated, violent muslims would cease to exist. That's why the "war on terror" is pointless because there will be a never-ending supply of muslim combatants. For the record I am not against muslims, but the teachings of islam. Indoctrination (especially at an early age) can make people do illogical things. In any case, islam has shown itself to produce more harm than good, and until we realize this, the problems will not go away. While all of the above can be applied to all religions where people have committed violence in the name of their religion, I'm directing this at islam specifically because it has the highest amount of violence/terrorism attributed to it, and I don't see the world benefiting from it. Too much violence resulting from islam, and I have yet to see peace. Muslims even attack muslims all the time, mostly because of having different interpretations of aspects of their religion, so even if the entire human population converts to islam, there would still be wars. Surely if Islam was a religion of so-called peace, I would be seeing some of it by now.

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These combatants would still be violent because unlike ants they think for themselvs like every human being does.
They searched for a violent answer. The Quran is perfect. Man is not.

reply to post by DuecesxGeneral



I agree with your post that most Muslims are peace loving but the fact they remain silent when these evils are committed in the name of Islam makes them beholden to this evil doctrine.

This could not be more evident than in the case of Israel. They are surrounded by Islamic countries and since their inseption in 1948 have been attacke by every country around them several times . There are calls ringing out from the Friday prayers at mosques throughout the Islamic world calling for their destruction and the retaking of Jerusalam.

Most Muslims are very well read in their Quran and know their own holy book teaches that God gave Israel this land in verses 5:20 and 5:21 amongst other places. Yet it is ignored and the so called peaceful Muslims who know this truth never point it out to the world .

Hypocrisy is rife in all religions and governments , maybe the people are peaceful but remaining silent is as powerful as any warrior.