Sheriff Joe Arpaio to release results of investigation into Obama's citizenship & presidential elig

Originally posted by xuenchen
What if they discover that Obama was really born in 1958 (before HI was a State).
(therefore possibly not a NBC)

Or, that Ann lied about the name of the real Father.
(to conceal the ID of a then famous American activist)

It was easy to fix things in those days.

The Dunham family had plenty of connections.

I was adopted just like Barry. And my birth cert was altered at the time of the adoption to replace my biological father with my new father.

Why does Obama's still list his biological father when he admits in his book he was legally adopted by Mr Soetero?

And you're right about the Dunham connections, his mom worked for one of the elites foundations.

Guess where his grandma worked, the Social Security Administration.

Think it would be hard for her to provide him with good numbers?

Originally posted by NightGypsy

Originally posted by MrSpad

Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by Surfrat

 

Why should anyone pay attention to the Sheriff? Is he a paragon of truth and virtue?

This one is known to be a self aggrandizing idiot who thinks he is above any law and is for some reason soft on underage rape.

As per the norm, you supply us with a thread de-railing, negative, anti-whatever-the-topic-is gem.

Facts can be a terrible weapon when delivered with a bit of panache.

reply to post by curious7

Results will be like this: * Proves he was born in Hawaii - ATS and other fringe site members will cry foul and claim cover up * Proves he was born in Kenya - Birthers will celebrate but guess what? He was still fairly nominated and elected into office anyway so what was the point in this ridiculousness?

Fairly nominated, anything, doesn't grant you the title or say to be President. I'm on the fence,. If Obama is not here legally as per our Constitution.. then he should be gone and anyone involved strung up for treason.
Most people can produce some basic type of a BC..usually raised sealed.

My question is why didn't these individual States authenticate it before he could even run?Who is in charge of verifing it? A simple yes or no.

Originally posted by mugger
Most people can produce some basic type of a BC..usually raised sealed.

just like Obama has, you mean?

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

Guess where his grandma worked, the Social Security Administration.

Think it would be hard for her to provide him with good numbers?

I love how you guys just make stuff up. Obama's grandmother did NOT work for the SSA - she worked for a bank.

The Dunhams then moved to Honolulu, Hawaii, where Stanley found a better furniture store opportunity, and Madelyn started working at the Bank of Hawaii in 1960 and was promoted to be one of the first female bank vice presidents in 1970.[

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by curious7
Results will be like this:

* Proves he was born in Hawaii - ATS and other fringe site members will cry foul and claim cover up

* Proves he was born in Kenya - Birthers will celebrate but guess what? He was still fairly nominated and elected into office anyway so what was the point in this ridiculousness?

And this will open new speculations.

Things like whether or not all the "birther" court cases are/were presented for the reason to actually "prove" the validity.

Many think that Orly and all the others are shills for the "truthers".

It may have merit, it seems all the lawyers involved have made classic "errors" in favor of the Obama cause.

It was all too easy to be thrown out.

Originally posted by xuenchen
It was all too easy to be thrown out.

Bcause the birthers had nothing to go on but made up stories, forged Kenyan birth certificate and some people who refuse to accept that a black man is the legal POTUS.... that is why the court cases were thrown out!

reply to post by kaylaluv


You're right, it was a courthouse.

www.westernjournalism.com...

Where she dealt with death cert's.

Either way she was in a position to provide him with a good SSN.

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by xuenchen
It was all too easy to be thrown out.

Bcause the birthers had nothing to go on but made up stories, forged Kenyan birth certificate and some people who refuse to accept that a black man is the legal POTUS.... that is why the court cases were thrown out!

Yes of course.

But why would they make it so easy and obvious for all that to be nullified ?

I think it's fixed.

Who knows what is really being covered up.

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

You're right, it was a courthouse.

www.westernjournalism.com...

Where she dealt with death cert's.

Either way she was in a position to provide him with a good SSN.

She volunteered at the Oahu Circuit court after she retired from the bank in 1986, but by this time, Obama was over 25 yrs old and already had his SSN assigned to him. I have yet to see valid evidence he had multiple SSNs, but apparently it is not unheard of for people to have multiple SSNs associated with their names, due to data entry errors.

www.cnbc.com...

reply to post by AGWskeptic

I was adopted just like Barry. And my birth cert was altered at the time of the adoption to replace my biological father with my new father.

Why does Obama's still list his biological father when he admits in his book he was legally adopted by Mr Soetero?

Maybe that's the underlying secret that makes them work so hard to cover up.

If Barry was in fact adopted and the BC was changed (even legally and then sealed by a court), that might have allowed Barry to go to college on a foreign scholarship as a foreign student.

Fuel for thought.

Trueamerican already posted another thread on this, but birthers insist on spamming this board with more of the same nonsense.

Originally posted by Surfrat
1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.'
So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is
'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?

The criteria for birth certificates has always been handled by a state by state basis, not through the federal government. In Hawaii, parents had the legal right to call themselves by what they considered themselves, this was clarified by the then Hawaiian director of health, Fukino:
www.politifact.com...

Obama's father was also not an american citizen, he was in Hawaii on a student visa, so racial laws needed not applied to him.

Here's another example of where 'negroe' is not listed under two black parents on a Texas birth certificate (1921). Both parents had their race listed as ‘colored’ at the time. There is no racial group termed ‘colored’, so I suppose this is proof that this birth certificate is fake as well?
www.genealogyintime.com...

Here's another Hawaiian short form birth certificate from a woman slightly older than Obama (she lost her long form birth certificate when she was young). Her mother listed her race as 'Japanese'. While people knew who the Japanese were at the time, Asian American was an official census designation. :
img138.imageshack.us...

If you can demonstrate to us here as to what law required black person(s) to refer to themselves as negroes on birth certificates, please do, otherwise stop lying.

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists
Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein
Obama as his father.

No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father
is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in " Kenya, East Africa ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth,

The Republic of Kenya did not officially exist until December 1963. However, Kenya had been the name of Obama's ancestral land since long before he was born. There were variations, such as the Dominion of Kenya or the protectorate of Kenya:

In the 19th Century, the German explorer, Ludwig Krapf, recorded the name as both Kenia and Kegnia believed by some to be a corruption of the Kamba version. Others however say that this was on the contrary a very precise notation of the correct African pronunciation /ˈkɛnjə/. In any case, the name was for a long time pronounced by colonial-heritage Europeans as /ˈkiːnjə/. The European pronunciation has been abandoned in modern times, in favor of the African version.

www.quora.com...

Here's a National Geographic map of Africa from March 1950, Kenya is just referred to as 'Kenya':
www.maps.com...

Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known then as the
"British East Africa Protectorate".

The British East African protectorate ceased to officially exist from 1920 onwards:
flagspot.net...

3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed
place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".
This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were
called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity
Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani
Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two
hospitals merged.

Then you must believe that the Nordyke twins Hawaiian birth certificate, the one World Net Daily was pimping, is fake as well right?
farm6.static.flickr.com...

I'd bet my bottom dollar that even after reading this and reminding yourself once again that you were wrong, you'll pop up posting this same misinformation in another thread. The facts are not of any concern to you though, this is very apparent for you and birthers in general.

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
I was adopted just like Obama.

How exactly do you know that Obama was adopted?

reply to post by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by Surfrat
1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.'
So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is
'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?

The criteria for birth certificates has always been handled by a state by state basis, not through the federal government. In Hawaii, parents had the legal right to call themselves by what they considered themselves, this was clarified by the then Hawaiian director of health, Fukino:
www.politifact.com...

The link to politifact did not seem to clarify the "Negro" vs "African" question.
Fukino's name is not even in the article.
(unless I missed it)

Perhaps we can find a Hawaiian BC with the "African" reference.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Surfrat

 

Thank you for the information...I cant wait to see this.

I still find it hard to believe that some people dont understand that even though you may be citizen it doesn't mean you are eligible to be president. Citizenship does have limits according to the constitution.

I think it is a case of widespread treason and a fear of racist allegations.

edit on 29-2-2012 by timetothink because: (no reason given)

Not trolling, but what does your avatar reference? I'm curious

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

Originally posted by Surfrat
1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.'
So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is
'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?

The criteria for birth certificates has always been handled by a state by state basis, not through the federal government. In Hawaii, parents had the legal right to call themselves by what they considered themselves, this was clarified by the then Hawaiian director of health, Fukino:
www.politifact.com...

The link to politifact did not seem to clarify the "Negro" vs "African" question.
Fukino's name is not even in the article.
(unless I missed it)

they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama’s father’s race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father’s race and mother’s race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It’s certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.

factcheck.org...

There we go, correction, it wasn't Fukino.

Perhaps we can find a Hawaiian BC with the "African" reference.

Why? Birthers are the ones claiming that blacks had to label themselves as negroes on birth certificates according to some federal law they can't seem to reference. Why don't you find us a source demonstrating that this is fact?

So we've seen a birth certificate with 'african' listed as a race, we've seen a birth certificate with 'colored' listed as a race' and we've seen a birth certificate with 'Japanese' listed as a race.

For one, she said, Obama’s father’s race is listed as "African." At the time, she said, the choices for race would have been "White, Asian or Negro."

www.politifact.com...

Can you back up what this lady is saying?

I can't wait for the first mentioning of the 5 Layers of Photoshop..

"Birthers" are to me a group of desperate rednecks, searching through stuff which people with much more influence (and even more aversion against your president) wouldn't touch with a long grip - did you ever ask yourself "why did no influential person in Washington D.C. anything about these soooo obvious lies in Obamas BC?!".

Thats because there is NOTHING to be found which would bring any judge to his decision on removing your president from the white house.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


I was hoping to set the record straight on the original question before moving up.

A Hawaiian BC from any neutral party from that era would do.

The other States don't matter.

I don't know if Hawaii had any written statutes about that.

Or at least a written guideline for counties to follow.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
I was adopted just like Obama.

How exactly do you know that Obama was adopted?

From his wife,

“African Press International is supposed to support Africans and African-American view,” she reportedly said. “It is strange that API has chosen to support the racists against my husband. There is no shame in being adopted by a stepfather. All dirt has been thrown onto my husband’s face and yet he loves this country. My husband and I know that there is no law that will stop him from becoming the president, just because some American white racists are bringing up the issue of my husband’s adoption by his stepfather. The important thing here is where my husband’s heart is at the moment. I can tell the American people that my husband loves this country and his adoption never changed his love for this country. He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the right to be an American citizen even though he was adopted by a foreigner.”

From his sister,

She wrote, "I did not say my brother was a Muslim. I did say that I was more philosophically Buddhist. I told you that you were upsetting me. You said that you were not trying to upset me but wanted to know the truth about (Raila) Odinga (a Muslim for whom Barack Obama campaigned in the 2007 presidential race in Kenya). I told you I didn't know who that was and had never met him. You mentioned the adoption laws of Indonesia that you saw as related to my brother's legitimacy (you were suggesting that because my father, his stepfather, had adopted him, that my brother was no longer American) and I said that I had no idea about Indonesian adoption law." ...Continued here: www.wnd.com...



If you look up the Soetero divorce papers it clearly shows they have 2 children, one under 18, one over 18 who requires educational assistance.

Why would Soetero have to pay for his education if he wasn't his father?

I've never said he was born in Kenya. I think he used his status as an Indonesian citizen to get free college, just like his real father did at Harvard, before he was run out of town on a rail. He went by Barry Soetero for more of his life than Barak Obama.

I think he never legally changed his name back to Obama, but knew his adoption would raise questions.