Occupy Teams Up With Nation of Islam?

reply to post by Snoopy1978

LOL @ your america. America, as you love it, is a cesspool of fascism and corporate mega welfare while the fearful, disinformed, gradually impoverished masses turn against each other for crumbs. Your america is crap. A change is needed, maybe not for you, if you're part of the elite, but for the rest of the people it is critical that things radically turn for the better. Hell, any turn would be better than the road your ideology is taking us to. Before you spout defensive "you don't know me" garbage, go re read your previous posts and the vile posters you support.

You seem to have very strong beliefs about America.

If I may ask, in what country do you live?

I see that someone else has asked this too. I hope that you return to answer because I’m curious how you formed your opinion about my country.

Regards!

Originally posted by Azadok

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
reply to post by rebellender

 

LOL @ your america. America, as you love it, is a cesspool of fascism and corporate mega welfare while the fearful, disinformed, gradually impoverished masses turn against each other for crumbs. Your america is crap. A change is needed, maybe not for you, if you're part of the elite, but for the rest of the people it is critical that things radically turn for the better. Hell, any turn would be better than the road your ideology is taking us to. Before you spout defensive "you don't know me" garbage, go re read your previous posts and the vile posters you support.

Our government is out of control as of the last ten years or so but that being said most of those sandbox mid east lands can't grow enough food to feed their rats. Your piss poor ignorant attitude deserves a finger in the eye. America has given more aid food and comfort to the world than all other countries combined . If it was not for America and her NATO allies you would be under communist rule . Don't even cite Afganistan because we armed them and kept Russia on a shorter leash than normal . The world could have remained silent and Afganistan would have been not and a dominos effect from there.

Our Government has some patching up to do yes but America is a Beautiful land. Our government is not our Nation. Our great nation is defined by its borders and its people. Our Mountains will stand forever.So should we stand. not fall for any whim that passes

reply to post by Kaploink

According to Glenn Beck, what doesn't lead to Marxism or Communism?

I’m not calling you a liberal but a common tactic of liberals is to attack the character of people who disagree. Aside from the fact that GB is a ‘fearmonger’ to many (I know he’s got a lot of doom and gloom), what has he come forward with that is inaccurate?

Info from GB is dismissed on ATS instantly. I ask again, what has he said or proclaimed that you find inaccurate?

I got tired of watching him because NOBODY can listen to doom and gloom every day and not go nuts. But I must admit, GB is damn right on his analysis.

Prove me wrong…I’d like to know how I’ve been misled by GB.

Occupy cohorting with islamic terrorists to bring aout socialism in America? Wow...doesnt even warrant a response.

But i will throw this in....

For the latest available data, 2005, corporations paid an effective tax rats of just 3%, while individuals effectively paid 9% (effective tax rat is how much is ACTUALLY paid in taxes, not what the tax is for your income bracket, which is your marginal tax rate and essentially meaningless when it comes down to the tax debate.). THAT is why people are peeved off at corporations.




Eta: forgot source: www.cbo.gov...

reply to post by nunya13

Occupy cohorting with islamic terrorists to bring aout socialism in America? Wow...doesnt even warrant a response.

But i will throw this in....

Obviously it does!

For the latest available data, 2005, corporations paid an effective tax rats of just 3%, while individuals effectively paid 9% (effective tax rat is how much is ACTUALLY paid in taxes, not what the tax is for your income bracket, which is your marginal tax rate and essentially meaningless when it comes down to the tax debate.). THAT is why people are peeved off at corporations.

Your “latest data” is 7 years old!

Anyway, so there is no connection between Nation of Islam and OWS?

Originally posted by nunya13
Occupy cohorting with islamic terrorists to bring aout socialism in America? Wow...doesnt even warrant a response.

But i will throw this in....

For the latest available data, 2005, corporations paid an effective tax rats of just 3%, while individuals effectively paid 9% (effective tax rat is how much is ACTUALLY paid in taxes, not what the tax is for your income bracket, which is your marginal tax rate and essentially meaningless when it comes down to the tax debate.). THAT is why people are peeved off at corporations.

edit on 1-3-2012 by nunya13 because: (no reason given)

Eta: forgot source: www.cbo.gov...

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so you justify Occupy with with Rich Corp Tax rates...

here is one better that will get you from 9% to zero its called OUT SOURCING. No more big business and no more Jobs...stop Outsourcing with Corp Tax cuts and keep Jobs in America

I'm dropping back into the thread because I had a thought after reading this thread and watching the debate. There have been a few gatherings now between Occupy and The Tea Party and what is coming to light (as some of us here already knew) is that the two have more in common than not or, at least enough in common that I can see the two coming together for.

Now maybe this is my own paranoia but, I think it's clear there has been disinformation and infiltration with both movements. Maybe this is such because after two days I can't find anything on the Occupy side linking with either Occupy4Jobs or the NOI. Here's the key part, I think the majority of people involved in The Tea Party have a strong dislike for the NOI. Could this be a deterrent for Tea Partiers?

It's more likely that other activist groups are beginning to cling to the Occupy name and tactics, but something about it nudged my inner conspiracy theorist.

reply to post by Kali74


I think it is a deterrent. 

I am active locally with the Tea Party but I cannot speak for them. Personally, I believe most of the organizations who support OWS are antithetical to Tea Party goals. 

I'd like to see the two unite to achieve some limited goals, specifically with regard to the cronyism and corruption, but the more radical groups fall in line with OWS the more those chances diminish. 

As I stated a few months ago in another thread, if OWS continues to associate itself with radicals they will continue to lose support of moderates, independents and (quite frankly) the majority of the country IMO.

I'd like to think the Tea Party and OWS could work together at least to end the corruption in government and get back on track economically but I don't see it happening. Much like you and me, the two groups recognize some of the same problems in the country but have strikingly different ideas about what should be done to address them. OWS aligning with communists, Marxists and other radicals doesn't sit well with Americans who want to return to our constitutional roots. 

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Kaploink

 

According to Glenn Beck, what doesn't lead to Marxism or Communism?

I’m not calling you a liberal but a common tactic of liberals is to attack the character of people who disagree. Aside from the fact that GB is a ‘fearmonger’ to many (I know he’s got a lot of doom and gloom), what has he come forward with that is inaccurate?

Info from GB is dismissed on ATS instantly. I ask again, what has he said or proclaimed that you find inaccurate?

I got tired of watching him because NOBODY can listen to doom and gloom every day and not go nuts. But I must admit, GB is damn right on his analysis.

Prove me wrong…I’d like to know how I’ve been misled by GB.

I echo this actually. I must admit being from the UK I didn't know masses about him, other than he cried on cue and had a reputation as a doom monger and was generally not held in high regard.

Last few days I've been checking out some of his stuff via GBTV. And then checking all his claims that he predicted current events as that post earlier intrigued me.

Damned if he didn't call it. And a lot more besides.

Maybe he's not such a blind squirrel finding an acorn after all?

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by seabag

 

Are we seeing the true face of Occupy?

Did the mask slip?

Will I make all my posts questions tonight?

The one thing that can be said about a leaderless movement is that many people claiming affiliation can/will be attributed legitimacy and as well will not necessarily conduct their rhetoric in line with accuracy. Nothing is decided outside of GA (General Assembly), which is essentially the presentation of ideas for future 'actions' which are then voted on and discussed in any way controversial.

As well, there are many people who are taking advantage of the Occupy name to associate their ideals/rhetoric with the larger movement for media access. There was a group in Philly recently that called for action that wasn't affiliated with Occupy but used the reference - www.rawstory.com...

Occupy4Jobs, as far as I know (following Occupy in any city is fairly easy; the major ones keep each other updated/connected. Each city has their own website and facebook group) is not affiliated with OWS and any subsequent declarations are similarly not affiliated with OWS.

True Story, Bro...

Originally posted by seabag
So let me get this straight…These Occupy folks team up with Nation of Islam to rally against the closing of some US Post Office locations in a predominantly African American community and they spin right in to talk of a “global revolution against capitalism”? I thought Occupy wasn’t against capitalism but only against corporate greed? At least that’s what I’ve been hearing from OWS’ers from the start.

Occupy has been almost completely hijacked by the radical Left at this point. They started out bipartisan, but that didn't last until the end of Zucotti Park. The same thing is happening to Anonymous as well, unfortunately. I don't know who is behind it exactly; but whoever it is, they're not pushing the same message that they used to.

OWS was originally composed of a bunch of angry, but deeply naive, corporate-reared Millenials for the most part, who were angry about the fact that corporate greed meant that an increasing number of them are now having to sleep in tents. The naivete of said group has allowed them to be infiltrated by Soros and his ilk, and the damage is even more visible within Anonymous, than it is with Occupy. Part of the reason for that is that Anon have always been more openly anarchic, while Occupy at least try to remain nonviolent and relatively passive.

So whereas they were originally angry about the corporate bailouts, and didn't really know what they wanted aside from that, they've now been completely hijacked by groups like the Socialist Alliance, among others, and are being used as footsoldiers in the ongoing attempt at a global Communist revolution. Anon are being increasingly subverted in that direction, as well.

Also, isn’t it strange that it’s the same Occupy Boston group that organized a rally against the Israeli consulate? Does occupy support Islam but reject Jews? I thought Occupy stood for all people?

The Left generally isn't friendly towards the Israeli government; but the more intelligent among them, do not confuse Israel's government with its' ordinary people. Arabs are usually viewed as victims of the Israeli government's desire to conquer the planet, and there is particular anger towards the treatment of the Palestinians. Support for Israel manifests a lot more commonly among conservatives, these days. The Left tend to view the Israeli government as murdering psychopaths, for the most part; which is a view that I agree with.

reply to post by seabag


I think you may have missed the point in my post.
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Why is it that whenever there is protests like this the Socialists and other left wing nuts tend to infiltrate and dominate these kinds of protests?

The initial movement had the right ideals, to protest the immoral and wrongful practices of Wallstreet and the corporation.

But then the Socialists come out of the wood work and start dominating these kinds of movements and the OWS people allowed it.

There is a lot of corporate wrong doing in America, but when the socialists come put to play these protests tend to wrongfully get associated with them. In this association, the good messages, end corporate corruption and greed, get discredited.

Damn it Socialists, go start your own movement and your own protests and stop clamping on to real protests.

But you guys can't do it because you're exceptionally unpopular in America.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Why is it that whenever there is protests like this the Socialists and other left wing nuts tend to infiltrate and dominate these kinds of protests?

Because they know that mainstream society doesn't want them. Their only chance of being accepted by said mainstream society, is to do so via deception; i.e., hijack a more legitimate movement that has seen some acceptance, and use that as a cover. The people keep thinking that they're still getting Occupy in more legitimate terms, when what they're really getting is hard core socialism.

But you guys can't do it because you're exceptionally unpopular in America.

I personally feel that American society in particular, does focus on individualism to an extent which is unhealthy. If there's something I've learned in the last six months, it's the degree to which I need other people. The Socialists, on the other hand, take collectivism to another, equally unhealthy extreme.

The single main thing which Americans don't like about socialism, if they were going to be honest with themselves, is the degree to which it advocates caring about other people. Americans have largely been indoctrinated to view compassion as wrong. That is a serious problem.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters

Occupy4jobs. So anyone who throws occupy into a name is now part of a massive cohesive group? Come on pal, you and I both know exactly what's going on here. And it's been happening since the very first protest.

Yes...that is the problem with having an unorganized and leaderless movement.

You have given up your right to say who is and who isn't part of it...deal with it.


All along, this is why I said I would never support "occupy"....they are set up to fail. I also said it doesn't matter that they fail...as long as the energy of the movement if available for other groups that are organized and smarter to take a hold of...it will still contribute something.

Occupy will help Obama get re-elected wheter they ever intended to or not.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


I strongly disagree, it just takes being able to see through BS. Maybe even a little effort to fact check. I'm not so sure Occupy will help Obama get re-elected, the GOP is doing a fine job of that.

Occupy (the real Occupy) is very vocal in our dislike of Obama, for example.... Lucky for him he doesn't need our help. The GOP for whatever reason has decided to tank this election and are doing nothing more than putting on a circus and using the time to re-declare war on women and Muslims. Just makes me laugh harder when I see idio...posters claiming Occupy is a democratic front to re-elect Obama.

reply to post by Kali74

Occupy (the real Occupy)

The fact that you have to put that qualifier in there should tell you that Occupy is finished and has been co-opted.

Sure..there will be a group of you who will claime to be the "true occupy"...but you won't be what is defining the message going out anymore. Just like there are a group of Ron Paul supporters that claim they are the "true tea party"...but the Tea Party we all know doesn't support Ron Paul at all.

And how can an unorganized and leaderless movement that accepts all people even claim that some group is not the "true" occupy??? Seems a bit contradictory.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Kali74

 

Occupy (the real Occupy)

The fact that you have to put that qualifier in there should tell you that Occupy is finished and has been co-opted.

In terms of what Kali linked to, even the "real Occupy," are telling people that "labour unions' fight is our fight."

Occupy is Communist. Case closed. There really isn't any other way of saying it. We're not talking about a bipartisan or politically agnostic movement here. We're talking about a movement which at this point (even if this wasn't the case originally) has either been dedicated or dedicated itself, to Trotsky's revolution.

Does that mean I identify as conservative myself? Far from it. I want the end of intellectual property, among other things. However, wanting certain specific practices which are identified as left wing, does not mean that I want Marxists telling me how I should think.

Originally posted by petrus4Americans have largely been indoctrinated to view compassion as wrong. That is a serious problem.

I must disagree, America is NUMBER 1 (not only militarily)
Also in charity donations NUMBER 1 that is showing their compasion and love for the world.
The serious problem Americans have with socialism is
that the GOVERNMENT gets to decide where all the money goes.
YAY FOR THE GOVERNMENT!
Yes lets just protest them by
giving them MORE power and money.
If America was not #1 in giving
from the heart to charities and donations I could maybe see your point.
I digress AMERICA IS #1 not by a little either.
The only indoctrination going on is where people support
giving away other peoples money. Number 1 in charity donations

Occupy was never a good benign grassroots* movement.
It was started to make a *crisis (from the Greek κρίσις - krisis; plural: "crises"; adjectival form: "critical") is any event that is, or expected to lead to, an unstable and dangerous situation.)
Invoking class war fare with rhetoric of the rich not paying their share
in a time when the economy is down.
When the administration currently in the whitehouse
helped fuel with all the bank bailouts.
This admin gave money to corporations and banks through bailouts. QE1, 2, 3
A rich is evil witch hunt created by those in power to get you to forget they created the problem
in the first place.. No doubt they are orginizing with the nation of islam as the NOI already shares the same
*ideas* and principles birds of a feather flock together.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Wrong. It means I have to clarify the difference for people that see boogeymen every time they turn around.

reply to post by petrus4

In terms of what Kali linked to, even the "real Occupy," are telling people that "labour unions' fight is our fight."

Labor Unions fight should absolutely be all of our fight. That is how we don't end with slave labor like other countries such as China. This does not mean that we ignore the corruption at the top of these Unions or pretend that they are not as toxic to us by manipulating our government as corporations and banks have become.