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Originally posted by windsorblue
2 days later and still nothing....any takers here up for a polite discussion on the subject?
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by windsorblue
2 days later and still nothing....any takers here up for a polite discussion on the subject?
In the rare case that these conspiracy proponents ever attempted to give me a reasonable answer to this,
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
-HOW did they get all these explosives into the building without being seen? The boogeyman sent sinister secret agents to infiltrate WTC security
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
-WHY doesn't a single piece of video show any explosives going off?
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
-WHY didn't anyone find even a microbe of any evidence of sabotage during the cleanup of ground zero? The boogeyman made sure all the workmen cleaning up ground zero were their own secret agents.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
-WHY do photos of WTC steel show massive bending and snapping like twigs, rather than melted? The boogeyman manufactured the steel and/or the photographs, and everyone who physically saw the steel is a secret agent.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
-WHY isn't there a single whistleblower coming forward to name names, reveal timetables, etc the way every OTHER conspiracy was exposed? They send secret agents to hunt down the other secret agents.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
...then they turn around and complain the reason why it sounds convoluted is becuase the boogeyman is releasing disinformation to make them look bad! I said it before and I'll say it again- if these conspiracy people were to every hold their own conspiracy theories up to the same stringent level of critical analysis they do with the 9/11 Commission report, they wouldn't be conspiracy theorists, for very long.
Originally posted by micpsi
If you were more informed about the events of 9/11, you would have been familiar with the fact reported by Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc., that the weekend before the 9/11 WTC demolition, all power was shut down to install "computer cables." No one was allowed inside and all security cameras and alarms had no power for 30 hours. Engineers were coming and going all the time, Forbes said, and there was no security in the towers.
Now, computer cables don't connect with building electricity, so the need to turn off and close both towers to do so is indicative of another motive, like planting charges without alarms and video surveillance. Marvin Bush, brother to President George and Jeb, was a principal in Securacom, which was in charge of security for the World Trade Center. In other words, we have highly reliable witnesses who reported suspicious acitivity a few days before 9/11. Get yourself informed. It might make your sarcasm more effective, although I doubt it.
If you were more informed about the events of 9/11, you would have been familiar with the fact reported by Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc., that the weekend before the 9/11 WTC demolition, all power was shut down to install "computer cables." No one was allowed inside and all security cameras and alarms had no power for 30 hours. Engineers were coming and going all the time, Forbes said, and there was no security in the towers. Now, computer cables don't connect with building electricity, so the need to turn off and close both towers to do so is indicative of another motive, like planting charges without alarms and video surveillance. Marvin Bush, brother to President George and Jeb, was a principal in Securacom, which was in charge of security for the World Trade Center. In other words, we have highly reliable witnesses who reported suspicious acitivity a few days before 9/11. Get yourself informed. It might make your sarcasm more effective, although I doubt it.
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by Apocalypse1
Landing a plane at 500mph...???
Just what kind of delusional thinking is that ...?
Planes do not land at 500mph! Landing speed is less than 1/3 that at 150mph
I'm neither delusional nor naive and I do not appreciate these kind of condescending reply's. As the old saying goes, "if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen."
As for for the side that was just reinforced - reason hit that side was simple
That was the direction he came in from....
Yea, after he turned the jet around.
I don't feel any closer to understanding what occurred now I than I did 10 years ago.
Originally posted by Cosmic911
reply to post by Asktheanimals
I don't feel any closer to understanding what occurred now I than I did 10 years ago.
I feel the same way. I believe I have more to consider, but I'm not any closer to knowing the truth. My opinion has been this...I don't believe we (the U.S. Gov) detonated explosives on purpose to bring down the towers, however, what I do believe is this...Bush Administration officials learned of a terrorist plot against the U.S., specifically involving planes and buildings, and they sat idly. Bush needed a war; his war. They needed a reason to instigate a war "on terror." They initiated training plans to divert the nation's defenses so there would be confusion. The conspiracy is they knew about it but did nothing to stop it. That's just my opinion.
Originally posted by Varemia
Yes, and who is the mature one here? The one who assumes that I've not seen hours of footage, or the one who isn't ready to blindly believe all the conspiracies when there is no tangible evidence? I will not take conspiracies on faith.
Originally posted by psyop911
well then, sorry to say. if you "have seen hours of footage" and failed to raise one
eyebrow after all is said and done, you must be either:
A) a liar
B) a chicken#
C) a retard (no retarded people pun intended)
it is that simple. easey peasey, debunker.
stay strong. all "scientific" and stuff.
Originally posted by thedman
Forbes has been discredited years ago when kept changing story when pressed
For one power was not shut off to the entire tower
To do so what have meant informing every client in the building of pending shutdown weeks in advance
considering that many of the tenants were banks or financial firms with 24 hours operations
Having been involved in situations like this - there are multiple warning emails sent to everyone in the affected
area. Plus techs are assigned to shut down computers/servers/printers before and then sent back to restart
and test everything after. Lot of people are involved - yet have just 1 person claiming that power was shut off
The observation deck in South Tower was open that weekend - so much for no power unless those poor
touists hiked up the 106 floors to the observation deck
Originally posted by Cosmic911
reply to post by psikeyhackr
I believe the spirit of the thread was to express our own views regarding September 11th. I did that. You obviously did too. How about leaving it at that. If you can't do that maybe you should not be posting.
So, you 'did more research' and then changed your mind? Building 7 falls straight down, unimpeded into its own footprint and you think thats been explained? Belittle is too mild a word for people like you. People that pretend to be something other than a 'frontman' for the creeps responsible for this crime. My research has revealed simple explanations for people like you, you get paid to peddle nonsense. Only someone with an ulterior motive would continue to say the things you and Dave say, because nobody could be that stupid.
Originally posted by Varemia
Originally posted by psyop911
well then, sorry to say. if you "have seen hours of footage" and failed to raise one
eyebrow after all is said and done, you must be either:
A) a liar
B) a chicken#
C) a retard (no retarded people pun intended)
it is that simple. easey peasey, debunker.
stay strong. all "scientific" and stuff.
Again, you're assuming. I have "raised my eyebrow" at things. For a while, I was convinced that building 7 had to be a conspiracy, but then I did more research. My research has revealed simple explanations for the behavior of everything thus far, and there has not been an ounce of physical evidence or even testimony to prove explosives or otherwise.
I'm not sure why you're so dead set on believing this that you feel the need to belittle other people.
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by Apocalypse1
He turned the jet for a simple reason - came in too high. Had to bled off some altitude . made a 270 deg
turn to line up again on the Pentagon
From what the air traffic controllers said about the pilots handling of the 757 it does sound like he could have brought the plane down anytime he wanted to. And just how do you know he came in too high. You been talking to Hani or is this just another goofy theory without an ounce of evidence to back it up?
As for condescending - it is you who made idiotic remark about trying to land plane at 500 mph
Did I say pilots land planes at 500 mph? No. That's simply your misinterpretation of what I said.
What I was trying to get across was that anyone who can fly a 757 at such speeds with no more than a foot of air between the bottom of the engines and the ground is certainly more than capable of landing that aircraft at the normal speed. In others words, any pilot that could do that would have to have very intimate knowledge of the aircraft and know just how close he could take it to the ground.
My research has revealed simple explanations for people like you, you get paid to peddle nonsense.
Originally posted by dillweed
So, you 'did more research' and then changed your mind? Building 7 falls straight down, unimpeded into its own footprint and you think thats been explained? Belittle is too mild a word for people like you. People that pretend to be something other than a 'frontman' for the creeps responsible for this crime. My research has revealed simple explanations for people like you, you get paid to peddle nonsense. Only someone with an ulterior motive would continue to say the things you and Dave say, because nobody could be that stupid.