The Free World Charter - A potential solution after the meltdown

Hey guys, I did a search for this and found nothing and thought I would bring it to your attention...

The Free World Charter

The Free World Charter is a statement of principles that has the potential to optimize life on Earth for all species, eradicate poverty and greed, and advance progress. Neither political nor religious, these ten short principles could form the foundation of a new, advanced society that uses no money, is free, fair and sustainable. They are based solely on Nature, common sense and survival. The Free World Charter is now widely considered a logical progression out of the failing mechanisms of today's society, and a natural step in our evolution.

I think this is an idea worth exploring... What say you?

reply to post by TommyG


Sounds like the "New Age" dream concocted by the "New World Order" architects of the "Green Peace" movement

It sounds great to me. Then again, it's the same general dream Mankind has been chasing since the days of Hammurabi first codes to follow. If this ever works on even a small communal level, let the world know so we may all view the system that brought success. For the countless attempts over written history, no one has come close yet.

Originally posted by Corruptedstructure
reply to post by TommyG

 

Sounds like the "New Age" dream concocted by the "New World Order" architects of the "Green Peace" movement

Weather or not its part of a plan to control, there is no denying that if enacted with good intentions it would work and raise the quality of life on this planet.

At some point I have to believe that people will finally get the point that if everyone has all they need, not want, then this would work.

Only problem is getting people to realize they don't need any more than the people around them.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

been dreaming of that for a long while.. start a small community with a new way of life.
unfortunately i don't have the means to do this.. we'd need a large group (of like-minded individuals) and obviously money and land to get this off the ground (in a country that would allow such an idea, cause remember we'd be outside their laws)
hard feat
really need the backing of some big company or atleast some rich visionary with deep pockets

so i think the only chance we have for change like this and exploring new ways of living, is only after some big cataclysmic event unfortunately. you think the ones at the top will happily be equal with everyone else without such an event?

I agree, although it does sound like some fairytale utopia, I haven't seen any other possible plan/solution of what if this money tower does collapse... well we try to build it again with better controls so that it wont happen again? Even though this has been done every single time there has been a collapse? When will we learn from our mistakes and realize that money isn't the right answer.

The problem that exists now is, what is the right answer? Have any of you seen any other plans or ideas on how to live sustainably for the next 1000, or 10,000 years? Continuing in the manner we are currently on can't last much longer.

Originally posted by TheDude2
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

so i think the only chance we have for change like this and exploring new ways of living, is only after some big cataclysmic event unfortunately. you think the ones at the top will happily be equal with everyone else without such an event?

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I couldn't have said that better. The same with what you said prior about like minded people. THAT could work, I believe. Like minded people on both sides...liberal and conservative...can sure give it a go at their own communities of like minded folk if it all falls to pieces on us.

There is a book series by William Johnstone that follows that real rough concept in a post apolocolyptic world and it's just close enough to reality in the hows, whys and process it all follows to look like something torn from our futures. The 'Ashes' series. Just run the author.

Anyway, the whole premise is like minded people forming their own nation-state without stomping everyone else. THAT approach in the aftermath of a collapse sounds perfect. It's that global approach where everyone is expected to make it work where I think it's hopeless.

Originally posted by cconn487

Originally posted by Corruptedstructure
reply to post by TommyG

 

Sounds like the "New Age" dream concocted by the "New World Order" architects of the "Green Peace" movement

Weather or not its part of a plan to control, there is no denying that if enacted with good intentions it would work and raise the quality of life on this planet.

At some point I have to believe that people will finally get the point that if everyone has all they need, not want, then this would work.

Only problem is getting people to realize they don't need any more than the people around them.

I agree completely. I wish there was no monetary system. I would rather use a barter system or such. I just have studied history enough to know that "secular savior" solutions derived from the thought of man never leads to anything positive when there is any type of monetary system. I believe greed is the root of all evil. And vanity is a fuel...

In principle this is really good idea. A utopian view of humanity united under a common goal of survival. However I fear this is nothing more than an unobtainable pipe dream.

One of the main reasons why money is a success in creating a sustainable economy is it creates an incentive. The main driving forces for new inventors, businessmen and professionals is financial stability. Yes, this is greed in its purest form but if you take away money and create a truely equal society where is the incentive for someone to go above and beyond? In other words, why should I bring sweat, blood and tears to the table to receive an equal benefit to someone who wastes their life contributing very little to society?

I believe, if this system were implemented, that we would end up with a stagnant society where progress grinds to a halt. We may be happy and we may live in abudance but human progression would, if not completely stop, slow down dramatically.

Of course, that is just my opinion

Originally posted by MattC
Yes, this is greed in its purest form but if you take away money and create a truely equal society where is the incentive for someone to go above and beyond?

Actually, a truly equal society would give ME the incentive to try harder and reach beyond. I don't care about money, I don't care about being rich...I just want everyone to be happy.
In our days, I feel like all the incentive to go above and beyond, will have me step on someone elses head to reach higher and just for money, I am not willing to, this is not my way of life, my values.

Knowledge and evolution...now that's what I'm talking about. Money surely has been good for somethings, now it's just making us stagnant in knowledge and evolution because the ones at the top want us to stay down.

You shouldn't think money is the only way to be a better person and compete with other humans, if you do, TPTB surely has done their job very well to keep us like sheep's.

Originally posted by User8911
Actually, a truly equal society would give ME the incentive to try harder and reach beyond. I don't care about money, I don't care about being rich...I just want everyone to be happy.
In our days, I feel like all the incentive to go above and beyond, will have me step on someone elses head to reach higher and just for money, I am not willing to, this is not my way of life, my values.

Knowledge and evolution...now that's what I'm talking about. Money surely has been good for somethings, now it's just making us stagnant in knowledge and evolution because the ones at the top want us to stay down.

You shouldn't think money is the only way to be a better person and compete with other humans, if you do, TPTB surely has done their job very well to keep us like sheep's.

I happen to agree with you, money certainly isn't the only way to be a better person. I run my own software business and, for me, the greatest reward is designing and creating something new and inventive and seeing it have a true benefit in the real world.

However, given the choice, I would much rather spend more time with my wife and kids as i'm sure the majority of people would. If I could ensure that the cupboards would always be stocked with food, that my kids would want for nothing and that my wife and I would live happily never having to worry about paying bills, school fees, etc then why wouldn't I seize the opportunity? That is one of the points I was trying to make above. If you take away the incentive for people to create, then people's priorities will change to what matters most: Those closest to them.

Despite looking good on paper this system would not get rid of inequality. There will always be those who contribute more to society than others and those who contribute nothing. In essence those working extremely hard would see no greater benefit over those who do nothing. When dealing with staff I reward those who contribute greatly with monetary bonuses and other non-monetary incentives. Why should those who do very little, are constantly late and fly out the door as soon as its clocking off time be given the same level of reward, financial or otherwise?

reply to post by MattC


Great response, I agree with what you say!

Originally posted by MattC
I believe, if this system were implemented, that we would end up with a stagnant society where progress grinds to a halt. We may be happy and we may live in abudance but human progression would, if not completely stop, slow down dramatically.

I must disagree, sir. I would LOVE to be educated in science and progression, and would then deeply enjoy spending the majority implementing it to development of progress for no money at all if it wasn't required to actually live comfortably and I was assured that it would not be patented by my employer and tucked away in secrecy. Given that it takes money to achieve such adequate accredited education, I fear I may never quite reach adequate education to do such.

All I really mean to say is that you should not underestimate the humane compassion of your fellow man. Love is truly abundant, but it is severely suppressed in our society where competition is engraved within our aspirations from the earliest years of schooling and continued throughout our lives.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


The TriState philosophy Johnstone talked about in these books would be great. But he also speaks of the numbers of people that couldnt or wouldnt live under those rules. Something on the order of 1 in 8 if I recall correctly? Actually I dont believe 1 in 50 would make it a full year in that system in the current day US. Nobody wants to take responsibility for themseleves. Take the normal 25 year old, explain to them that they are in charge of everything in their life now. You have to work to eat. You are responsible for your own protection. You lie, spread rumors or talk trash about someone and they have the right to confront you and deal with it physically. You cant sue over every little thing. There wont be anyone there to prop you up and let you be a weakling and cry about social injustices. Most people I know would break down then and there and cry that they didnt want to live like that. Sad but true.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


The TriState philosophy Johnstone talked about in these books would be great. But he also speaks of the numbers of people that couldnt or wouldnt live under those rules. Something on the order of 1 in 8 if I recall correctly? Actually I dont believe 1 in 50 would make it a full year in that system in the current day US. Nobody wants to take responsibility for themseleves. Take the normal 25 year old, explain to them that they are in charge of everything in their life now. You have to work to eat. You are responsible for your own protection. You lie, spread rumors or talk trash about someone and they have the right to confront you and deal with it physically. You cant sue over every little thing. There wont be anyone there to prop you up and let you be a weakling and cry about social injustices. Most people I know would break down then and there and cry that they didnt want to live like that. Sad but true.

reply to post by User8911


Thanks, and like I said, I completely agree with your point too. Money is not, and should not, be the driving force of progress. When used correctly it serves to reward. When used improperly it is used to punish, as evidenced in the current climate of spiralling debt, destroyed lives and unsustainable inequality,

I am not against the ideals in the charter and I actually support the principles of the Venus Project, I just feel that this is not a perfect solution and there are gaps that need to be filled. If someone can offer a solution that ensures inequality is truely erradicated then I can see no problem with this being a replacement to our current system.

Originally posted by jlm912
I must disagree, sir. I would LOVE to be educated in science and progression, and would then deeply enjoy spending the majority implementing it to development of progress for no money at all if it wasn't required to actually live comfortably and I was assured that it would not be patented by my employer and tucked away in secrecy. Given that it takes money to achieve such adequate accredited education, I fear I may never quite reach adequate education to do such.

All I really mean to say is that you should not underestimate the humane compassion of your fellow man. Love is truly abundant, but it is severely suppressed in our society where competition is engraved within our aspirations from the earliest years of schooling and continued throughout our lives.

edit on 26-2-2012 by jlm912 because: (no reason given)

Let me first start by saying my formal education is nothing to be proud of. I am mostly self-taught and grew my business from the dregs. There were dark times where we were literally at the breadline and had just enough for basic rations to ensure we paid the bills. The reason I persisted was because of my passion for technology and development.

I was not given a silver spoon from birth, nor did I come from a weathly background (quite the opposite). I spent the best part of my younger years working for others, seeing my ideas turned into profit in someone elses pockets. This is why I decided to go it alone. It was not the wisest choice by any means, initially, but I saw it out and managed to make something successful and offer opportunities to others to do the same.

I understand the element of human compassion, having relied on it to see me by in those darker times. I feel truely, and forever indebted to those who helped me along my way and I will never forget. However, taken in context of what I was originally saying, human compassion does not necessary equate into productivity. As my follow up response illustrates given the choice I would ditch my stressful work-life in favour of spending more time with those I love. That would essentially mean no more creations from my business and people out of work.

One main hindrance in starting something of this sort is acquiring the resources to do so. Most with access or "ownership" of said resources would more than likely not want to put them forth without "return" guaranteed.

This concept would require a truly selfless person of lone wealth or people of acquired wealth willing to see this through into reality.

Unfortunately, I know of no such person or people. I do, however, have faith that said people are out there. They must merely be brought into concentration.

This is not impossible. It will be extremely difficult, though. Can you say the possible fruit of the efforts would not be appreciated? Being that it hasn't even been experimented might make one hesitate to act or go along, but it cannot truly be struck down until implemented and failed.

Originally posted by MattC
Let me first start by saying my formal education is nothing to be proud of. I am mostly self-taught and grew my business from the dregs. There were dark times where we were literally at the breadline and had just enough for basic rations to ensure we paid the bills. The reason I persisted was because of my passion for technology and development.

I was not given a silver spoon from birth, nor did I come from a weathly background (quite the opposite). I spent the best part of my younger years working for others, seeing my ideas turned into profit in someone elses pockets. This is why I decided to go it alone. It was not the wisest choice by any means, initially, but I saw it out and managed to make something successful and offer opportunities to others to do the same.

I understand the element of human compassion, having relied on it to see me by in those darker times. I feel truely, and forever indebted to those who helped me along my way and I will never forget. However, taken in context of what I was originally saying, human compassion does not necessary equate into productivity. As my follow up response illustrates given the choice I would ditch my stressful work-life in favour of spending more time with those I love. That would essentially mean no more creations from my business and people out of work.

edit on 26-2-2012 by MattC because: Posted too soon

Understood. You are an inspiration to me in that light. Thank you.

Have you not faith in yourself to be motivated to act for the greater good and give time in order to take it to spend with your loved ones?

reply to post by ElOsoDurmiendo

Lol.... A fellow reader, I see. I think you're right about the 1 in 50 being able to live under the Tri-States system and philosophy....or anything close to it. Even that may be generous. That still leaves quite a community from a starting population of over 300 million though. Think positive.

I hate to be contrary on the OP in actually looking at Balkanizing the U.S. being a good thing, but in some ways I think it's inevitable if the system crashes like the Soviet one did in 1989. Our nation is just SOOO polarized between right and left these days, I don't see any way the two would live in peace together after the structure of law fell apart. The fictional 'SUSA' and 'NUSA' everything eventually forms into across the series, probably isn't too far off where we'll end up. It just won't have anything to do with race or slavery this time.