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Originally posted by localparkflasher
What was i lying about? I'm not on the Yes or No side. I'm in the middle because of the FACT that i personally haven't shook Jesus' hand or had a conversation with him. That's me, not you. Maybe you did. Maybe you're one of Jesus' apostles sent to the future to prepare the world for his arrival in 2012. You can go ahead and read scriptures and testimonies all day. There has to be something more than the 3 things you listed.
Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by colbe
local, hi, to help you with your doubt,
What is the benefit to lying? It's against God it's non-Christian.
If you don't believe the eyewitness testimony of the first Christians who
knew Our Lord what of all the famous major miracles in the last 2000 years? They point to Jesus Christ and His Sacrifice for mankind.
Here, studied, tested over and over by Science, who can't explain ~ I give three examples.
1. the Shroud of Turin
2. the Tilma of Guadalupe
3. the Stigmata, the wounds of Christ Padre Pio bore on his person for
fifty years
edit on 1-3-2012 by localparkflasher because: I suck at posting
Who said anything about lying? You expressed disbelief in Jesus, it
was your word "made-up." The list are well known miracles.
colbe
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Well then historians know nothing from history if you want to take that route. Do you not think historians, even secular ones, can evaluate the historicity of the crucifixion or whether Jesus lived or not?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by localparkflasher
I believe he is asking you why you think the gospel writers were "lying" about Jesus. Not you, lol.
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by colbe
Who said anything about lying? You expressed disbelief in Jesus, it
was your word "made-up." The list are well known miracles.
colbe
Originally posted by Razimus
Muhammad could very well be considered an anti-Christ.
Christ was crucified on the cross, Christians don't deny this, Romans don't deny this, Jews don't deny this.
Muhammad denies this. "According to the popular opinion and Muslim traditions, Jesus was not crucified"
en.wikipedia.org...
Therefore Muhammad is anti-Christ. Christ is God, He is the Savior, Islam denies this.
I've met a nice Muslim that showed me a nice Muslim tapestry with Jesus on it, it's not the same Jesus if he wasn't crucified, that's the problem, they downgrade him from God to simple messenger. Call Christianity anti-Muhammad, that's fine, because in Christianity Muhammad wasn't even a messenger of God, he is not mentioned as being anyone, probably because he began ministering 600+ years after Christ. [/q]
edit on 1-3-2012 by localparkflasher because: i make mistakes
Originally posted by localparkflasher
I express disbelief in anything that has no proof attached to it. There's been thousands of people claiming they're the Second Christ, satan or antichrist. Do you believe them? Alot of them are probably still alive. Their history/existance is alot more traceble than Jesus' history or his existance. Why don't you ask them to prove to you they're Christ? What IS the proof we're looking for? What can this person do to convince you that he's the Son of God? Is a simple claim enough for you personally? So many questions but you are definitely not the one asking them.
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by colbe
Who said anything about lying? You expressed disbelief in Jesus, it
was your word "made-up." The list are well known miracles.
colbe
I replied to your disbelief of Christ, I was trying to help you with that...
Notice what I underlined in my response.
Uhhh how about no. You don't actually know the truth. Nobody does. We don't have proof that Jesus was ever alive or the antichrist. They are most likely either made-up to show us the difference between bad and good or they are/were real people. My guess is they're made-up.
No, they can't evaluate anything that supposedly existed thousands of years ago. Why? They CAN'T travel back in time to begin the evaluation process. Texts, books, testimonies or the word of a historian is NOT proof. End of conversation.
Their history/existance is alot more traceble than Jesus' history or his existance.
Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
reply to post by NOTurTypical
As far as I am aware there is not a scrap of credible evidence that 'jesus' was a real person!
Jesus told us not to worship him.
Originally posted by yougetwhatyoudeserve
Christianity is a false religion, so Mohammed is not the anti christ. Perhaps you have been brainswashed with typical American anti Muslim propaganda (which spreaded like a cancer in the media and under the people after 9/11)
Besides there are so many claims made by religious and non-religious idiots about who could be the antichirst that I don't believe any of them....
Originally posted by grayghost
reply to post by spy66
Hello , and i understand what you are saying.
To tell you the truth i can not be sure that all the holy text are correct.
And buy holy text i mean all of them not just the bible.
They all have been touched by the hand of man.
As fare as i know religion in it's self could be the anti Christ.
It has caused a lot of death and destruction.
I don't under stand the whole free will thing either.
I mean why does god give us free will and then not give
us the wisdom to use it justly.Then if we screw up he's gona cunk us
down to hell.It just doesn't seam right. After all we are using the the brain
he gave us. . .