Schumann Resonances, Electro Magnetism, and the Brain.

reply to post by PapagiorgioCZ

You are confusing brain wave patterns as detected by an EEG with electromagnetic radiation. They are not the same thing.

An EEG measures changes in voltages in the scalp. These changes are caused by the movement of potassium and sodium ions within the neurons. There are indeed certain patterns which large groups of neurons follow. Analyzing these patterns can be useful in the diagnosis of brain function disorders such as epilepsy.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by chr0naut

 

The theory that HAARP is steerable and GENERATES frequencies in the ELF band are provably false as are many of the mind control, earthquake generation and weather control theories attributed to HARRP.

To clarify, the HAARP heater can be used to induce ELF radiation in the ionosphere by manipulating the electrojet currents. In effect, it is a very long antenna. The ability to produce ELF radiation is limited, it cannot approach the power of natural sources such as lightning and ionospheric conditions need to be favorable above the transmitter.

Yeah, thanks, I wasn't going to muddy the waters with something I thought could be misconstrued.

I should have said directly GENERATES frequencies in the ELF band.

Originally posted by pianopraze
So do you think it is a coincidence the state where people feel in synch in meditation, and remote viewing occur happens to be when they are in synch with the earths primary resonance?

I do. People are surrounded by a variety of EM fields most of the time. Yes, of course, there will be some influence of the external field on the brain. But to say that the meditation is the deepest when a person is "in sync" with the resonance is just bunk. I can equally say that being "in sync" makes the brain confused and breaks the meditation. And no, I do not believe in remote viewing.

Originally posted by PapagiorgioCZ
I like debunking thinking but sometimes you need "what if" thinking too. Tesla would invent nothing in debunking mood.
Brain converts various signals from our senses into EM all the time.
You can use AVS technology and change your brainwaves (EM) by sound or light. I'm sure it works both ways. *Saying that you don't need any fluid to care EM wave is not really truth 'cause you need a vacuum. We just don't know what it is. We generate ULF without a huge antenna in our brains don't we? *Btw length of myelinated nerve fibers in brain is 150,000-180,000 km...enough for delta or epsilon?
another brain numbers
Our consciousness is propably not limited by our body anyway. Our body could be rather like nucleus of the atom.
*You don't need to map how some word or picture looks like on Magnetic resonance imaging (as some scientists are trying) to replicate it. What if you just need to amplify one's brainwaves signal and broadcast it? I heard about some projects like this.
*Question is if "they" can use Schumann frequency as carrier frequency. There is something on the vid -
the vid on the first page (in this post) It reminded me the movie inception for some reason. I don't know, maybe we just don't see the whole picture. Why would you need much voltage or direct beams when you just need to find a way how to inject a resonance which is already there? Maybe I'm wrong here but didn't Tesla said something like we could even suck energy from ionosphere?

I personally use isochronic tones quite often too. It takes time to learn how to use this tool. I'm not sure about Schumann. Is it really 7.83 or rather 7.8? I've read somewhere that even a litttle change in some ground brain operating frequencies can have serious effect. Maybe changing/unifying brainwaves is not a good idea at all as long as we don't really understand it. You may become healthier with nice regular shaped sinus but will it be still you? I'm less and less sure about it.

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The problem with the theory that we generate ULF in our brains is that ULF radiation requires an antenna of an enormous size. Each neuron in our brain is distinct from each other neuron. Our neural network is not one continuous conductor, but rather, millions of short conductive and non-conductive paths networked to each other in all directions.

When we measure the gross electrical potential across numbers of electrons, its frequency of oscillation resembles the frequency of ULF radiation but it is not radiant and cannot be because there is no antenna to either send or receive such signals.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by pianopraze
So do you think it is a coincidence the state where people feel in synch in meditation, and remote viewing occur happens to be when they are in synch with the earths primary resonance?

I do. People are surrounded by a variety of EM fields most of the time. Yes, of course, there will be some influence of the external field on the brain. But to say that the meditation is the deepest when a person is "in sync" with the resonance is just bunk. I can equally say that being "in sync" makes the brain confused and breaks the meditation. And no, I do not believe in remote viewing.

What makes you think being in synch with a naturally occurring ELF would somehow cause one to be MORE confused??

Considering that humans have lived with the natural ELF for longer than all the other garbage ELF produced by all the new tech we have produced over the last 50 years. I suspect our natural biology would be more receptive to an ELF that we have evolved with rather than something we created recently.....Dont you?

Ok I've got it - it's not a radiation but it's still frequency and it's still electricity. If there is sinus wave it's not just something switching on and of. Frequency is the main thing here.

It's not necessarily about haarp. Frequency can be changed by light, sound, chemicals, warming of skin etc. I don't know how it can be directly modulated by EM radiation but someone could. I've seen something...it was if I remember correctly Jesse Ventura's show and man heard a music radiated from kinda device.
And there's still possibility that our consciousness isn't just in our head - photon here / photon there, quarks whatever. Than you don't need to penetrate into your brain in common way and stick to these terms. What if changing ionosphere is enough?

Originally posted by Phage



Piezoelectric effects are frequency specific. The researchers found that the crystals found in the pineal gland would respond to ultrahigh electrical frequencies.

I also find it curious that they speculate that the effect could be induced by electromagnetic radiation of any frequency. As I understand it, piezoelectric materials respond to electric currents, not electromagnetic radiation. I'll have to look into it.

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Well then I see where you are getting confused.

Piezoelectricity or Piezoelectric effect link

is the charge that accumulates in certain solid materials (notably crystals, certain ceramics, and biological matter such as bone, DNA and various proteins)[1] in response to applied mechanical stress. The word piezoelectricity means electricity resulting from pressure. It is derived from the Greek piezo or piezein (πιέζειν), which means to squeeze or press, and electric or electron (ήλεκτρον),

The piezoelectric effect is a reversible process in that materials exhibiting the direct piezoelectric effect (the internal generation of electrical charge resulting from an applied mechanical force) also exhibit the reverse piezoelectric effect (the internal generation of a mechanical strain resulting from an applied electrical field)

Funny that huh? the piezoelectric effect is a reversible kind of like the relationship between electromagnetism and electric current. Also nowhere does it state that Piezoelectricity is frequency specific. Thats a very ambiguous term. But I suspect you already knew this.

reply to post by TiM3LoRd

No. I'm not confused.
Wikipedia doesn't state it but the other paper you linked does. Since we have been discussing resonances, this sentence should be of interest. Too far from the resonant frequency the effect is lost.

A simplified formula applied to those crystals (f = v/2d) lets us think that these crystals could be sensitive to RF-EMF in the range of 500MHz to 2.5GHz depending on there size.

fedgeno.com...

Using that same simplified formula, would you care to do the math to determine the required diameter for the crystals to be sensitive to 7.83Hz, that 38,000km wavelength?


Yes, the piezoelectric effect works in both directions. That's why there are piezoelectric microphones and headsets. Now can you help me out in how piezoelectric materials can show a response to electromagnetic radiation in lieu of an electric current. I'm having trouble finding out how that works.

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
Funny that huh? the piezoelectric effect is a reversible kind of like the relationship between electromagnetism and electric current.

What nonsensical statement! Piezo like "relationship between electromagnetism and electric current"???
It's like "the shock absorber is like the relationship between classical mechanics and a bullet".

Please take care to use correct terms and language.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by TiM3LoRd

 

No. I'm not confused.
Wikipedia doesn't state it but the other paper you linked does. Since we have been discussing resonances, this sentence should be of interest. Too far from the resonant frequency the effect is lost.

A simplified formula applied to those crystals (f = v/2d) lets us think that these crystals could be sensitive to RF-EMF in the range of 500MHz to 2.5GHz depending on there size.

fedgeno.com...

Using that same simplified formula, would you care to do the math to determine the required diameter for the crystals to be sensitive to 7.83Hz, that 38,000km wavelength?


Yes, the piezoelectric effect works in both directions. That's why there are piezoelectric microphones and headsets. Now can you help me out in how piezoelectric materials can show a response to electromagnetic radiation in lieu of an electric current. I'm having trouble finding out how that works.

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Isnt EMR a byproduct of electric current? In fact doesnt anything that radiate energy produce EMR??

My guess is that in the report they are talking about the High frequency energy fields generated by the cell phones themselves. Microwaves I believe would be the source.

As for the maths required to work out the diameter of the crystal you're balking up the wrong tree. Maths has never been my strong suite. So maybe someone with a better understanding of it can work that out.

reply to post by TiM3LoRd

Isnt EMR a byproduct of electric current? In fact doesnt anything that radiate energy produce EMR

No.
Electromagnetism (a magnetic field) is a product of electric current.
An electric current in itself does not produce electromagnetic radiation. A light bulb produces electromagnetic energy because the filament is heated enough to produce light. A drum radiates sound energy but no electromagnetic energy.

My guess is that in the report they are talking about the High frequency energy fields generated by the cell phones themselves. Microwaves I believe would be the source.

Yes, they are talking about the transmitted power from cell phones. No, cell phones don't go into the microwave range...quite.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by TiM3LoRd

 

Isnt EMR a byproduct of electric current? In fact doesnt anything that radiate energy produce EMR

No.
Electromagnetism (a magnetic field) is a product of electric current.
An electric current in itself does not produce electromagnetic radiation. A light bulb produces electromagnetic energy because the filament is heated enough to produce light. A drum radiates sound energy but no electromagnetic energy.

My guess is that in the report they are talking about the High frequency energy fields generated by the cell phones themselves. Microwaves I believe would be the source.

Yes, they are talking about the transmitted power from cell phones. No, cell phones don't go into the microwave range...quite.

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Doesnt the waves of sound moving through the given medium produce miniscule amounts of EMR? Surely there is some form of friction at work here. which would result in heat which is infrared??

Something to do with entropy and the law of conservation?

Dont cell phones use Microwaves which are basically extremely high frequency radio waves.

Anyway what I am discussing is the effect of electromagnetism on the pineal gland and its potential to effect it.

What is your stance on this topic?

reply to post by TiM3LoRd

No, sound produces no electromagnetic radiation. Talking about heat produced by sound in terms of infrared is a bit ridiculous.

As I said, cell phones don't use frequencies in the microwave range. Technically they use UHF (ultra high frequencies).

I don't know what effects electromagnetism would have on the pineal gland. Unless the crystals were magnetic I can't see that they would have any effect. If the crystals were electrically conductive eddy currents could be created within the crystals (lacking a complete circuit). I have no notion what effect that would have but at very low frequencies those currents would be very weak. Look at it this way. When a patient has an MRI they are exposed to a varying magnetic field thousands of times more powerful than is ever encountered anywhere else. I've had an MRI. I didn't notice anything.

reply to post by pianopraze


I can confidently say that Haarp and phycological warfare and other proponents of the same type have been implemented long before the 70's as my father was in the U.S. Army for 8 years w/ multiple m.o.s in the areas of your interests, before spending another 5 yrs as a Drill Instructor. I apologize that I can not give actual facts as the only answer I would be able to give you is his name,rank,d.o.b and serial number as you were not privy to said prior information and as such considered to be a hostile. That and I'd rather not be awakened in the middle of the night w/ a surprise visit

I want to ask... Is the study of Electro Magnetism complete?

Is the Schumann Resonance study complete?

Is the study of the Brain complete?

I find it hard to talk in absolutes when I am not so sure these studies are complete.

Thanks!

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by TiM3LoRd

 

I have no notion what effect that would have but at very low frequencies those currents would be very weak. Look at it this way. When a patient has an MRI they are exposed to a varying magnetic field thousands of times more powerful than is ever encountered anywhere else. I've had an MRI. I didn't notice anything.

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Let's presume the old man in the vid told the truth about the dream-connection experiments. You may didn't watch it so - he said that best results were occuring during days of the weakest geomagnetic activity.
If you felt nothing in MRI...it makes sense.

It's a bit wild but that could be the possible purpose (or even just an unintentional side effect of weather disruption?) : No real data sharing in dream states. Not so technically difficult as other theories.
Question is: Can Schumann resonance be easily altered? Like: (locally) increased by few tenths to induce aggressivity. Decreased for depression etc.

Originally posted by MamaJ
I want to ask... Is the study of Electro Magnetism complete?

Yes.

Is the Schumann Resonance study complete?

Only partially, i.e. the basic theory is there, but the system is complex enough so that complete characterization of cause and effect (lightning etc) and other phenomena is still being worked on. I have to say though there is plenty of detail already available, and what's more important, the characteristics of the signal can be fairly accurately measured. Which means it's possible to study the effects of a particular field configuration on things like brain -- you can stimulate the brain at these frequencies and power levels and see what happens.

Is the study of the Brain complete?

No.

I find it hard to talk in absolutes when I am not so sure these studies are complete.

I tend to agree, and to pronounce that there are secret technologies using the Schumann Resonance is a pretty baseless thing to do.

Originally posted by OccamAssassin

every wonder why all those Iraqi’s just gave up?

Iraq War

They just gave up?

What planet are you living on?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You mean the 2nd gulf war right cause in 1991 i remember seeing them surrender in mass all most looked like they hadnt taken a dump in like weeks couldnt eat and just didnt want to fight