BREAKING NEWS! Anonymous hacks greek ministry! Threatens to whip away all citizen debt

Originally posted by aLLeKs
But the Greeks are insulted, because they get MY money? Then f'ck of...

The Greek people don't want your money. They don't want neo-liberal austerity that is designed to cut regulations and sell off state assets to other EU countries, namely Germany and France. That's the whole point of why they riot, because they get the sh*t end of the stick.

This whole neo-liberal accumulation is played by the plutocrats anyways. They don't care what normal people think, because normal people aren't worth millions or billions like they are. Finance capitalism has always had this empire-expansion mindset, the only difference is that the world has been partitioned so they need new ways to further differentiate and accumulate assets- the EU is a strong method of this.

If you don't believe me then you should read Lenin's "Imperialism" which was written back in the early 1900s. It is amazing to see similar exploitation methods conducted a hundred years ago with billions of currency at their financial disposal. It's like reading about modern times, but it is so eerie to read because he predicted major wars as the result of financial capitalism (aka imperialism), which is exactly what happened.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by trust_no_one

 

They crossed the line. It's time for the handcuffs to come out. Now they presume themselves Dictators.

The Bankers and Politicians? Yes I agree.

seems to me anon is going to have a powerfever ......

dont be like a tiran

we dont need a undercover organisation tirating the hole world, ow wait we already have them

Yeah yeah yeah....come on dudes. To me, it seems as if they are all bark and no bite. I hope they actually do something big like this, for the people. I am still slightly optimistic about these guys, but they haven't done much so far.


I have I missed something?

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
The Greek people don't want your money. They don't want neo-liberal austerity that is designed to cut regulations and sell off state assets to other EU countries, namely Germany and France. That's the whole point of why they riot, because they get the sh*t end of the stick.

I'd love nothing more than to let the entire Greek nation rot to hell and back. Sadly though the Eurozone doesn't want to let the poor ickle greeks suffer any longer.

If they actually worked and produced something rather than sat about being a bunch of lazy fekwits maybe they wouldn't have gotten into the state they're in now needing to be bailed out by countries who can't really afford to bail anyone out.. thought of that one Dimitri? Nope, didn't think so.

Everyone is in the same boat. Every government abuses it's people, everyone has to pay taxes, deal with unemployment and poverty. So get off the soap box.

It's a shame you can't send people to Australia anymore, oh for the good old days.

T

LOL I cant believe people think that they can actually do this.

You do realize that when you sign a contract with a bank its a hard copy contract. They do have backed up copies on mainframes that are NOT connected to the internet for just things as cyber crime. LOL

I think you guys have been watching too many movies if you think this a possibility.

Dont get me wrong i would laugh my arse off if it happened more power to the people and all that, but lets be serious here. Its a pipe dream, it will never happen.

YAWN.....
Nobody ever heard of paper?
Nobody is gonna bail out the little guy, that is something we will have to do for ourselves.
Neither jesus nor aliens are coming to save us either.
Get to bailing!

Originally posted by torqpoc

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
The Greek people don't want your money. They don't want neo-liberal austerity that is designed to cut regulations and sell off state assets to other EU countries, namely Germany and France. That's the whole point of why they riot, because they get the sh*t end of the stick.

I'd love nothing more than to let the entire Greek nation rot to hell and back. Sadly though the Eurozone doesn't want to let the poor ickle greeks suffer any longer.

If they actually worked and produced something rather than sat about being a bunch of lazy fekwits maybe they wouldn't have gotten into the state they're in now needing to be bailed out by countries who can't really afford to bail anyone out.. thought of that one Dimitri? Nope, didn't think so.

Everyone is in the same boat. Every government abuses it's people, everyone has to pay taxes, deal with unemployment and poverty. So get off the soap box.

It's a shame you can't send people to Australia anymore, oh for the good old days.

T

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The Greek people do not want austerity measures. The austerity measures are what the EU powerhouses want to have enforced in Greece. What this means is that Greece has to sell off its state assets to countries like France and Germany. This is exactly what France and Germany want and have worked towards. It means that France and Germany will control Greece if they get their way. It's called neo-liberal imperialism.

The Greek people didn't put themselves in this position- their economic elite and their government ran them into the ground, all working in the interest of bigger EU countries.

And really, who in their right mind would accept neo-liberal reforms in their country? This isn't a solution to anything, just blatant class warfare where the disparity levels go through the roof while your country is virtually owned by private interests and foreign powers. It's akin to rape.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Oh do me a favour with your rhetoric. I know what it is and why it is. The Greeks had the right to complain, much like everyone in the UK, France and Germany has. But they also have the right to work.. rather than strike, whine, lay about and take long lunches expecting their wealth to grow and fall from trees.

Been to Greece in the last 5 years? I have.. bunch of lazy fekwits. They made their bed and now they are lying in it.

T

Originally posted by torqpoc
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

Oh do me a favour with your rhetoric. I know what it is and why it is. The Greeks had the right to complain, much like everyone in the UK, France and Germany has. But they also have the right to work.. rather than strike, whine, lay about and take long lunches expecting their wealth to grow and fall from trees.

Been to Greece in the last 5 years? I have.. bunch of lazy fekwits. They made their bed and now they are lying in it.

T

Quite frankly I wouldn't work for a bunch of plutocrats either. Striking is the strongest means of non-violent protest because you cut off the nation's mode of production.

Originally posted by trust_no_one

BREAKING NEWS! Anonymous hacks greek ministry! Threatens to whip away all citizen debt

ZERO-HEDGE

(www.ministryofjustice.gr...). while the pretext for the hacking appears to have been an arrest of the wrong people, is seems to have angered Anonymous to the point where they have left an extended message of demands on the Greek website, warning that unless the IMF withdraws from the country and the government resigns, all debts of Greek citizens will be wiped clean.

(visit the link for the full news article)

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Unless they can do this on a global scale, it's not that big of a deal in my opinion.
Why should the Greeks just be the lucky ones?
I bet there are a lot of peeps would love to be debt free.

Originally posted by torqpoc
I'd love nothing more than to let the entire Greek nation rot to hell and back. Sadly though the Eurozone doesn't want to let the poor ickle greeks suffer any longer.

Why let them rot to hell when it wasn't them that started this domino effect? That's like me saying "# ireland, they're a bunch of lazy no gooder's" if greece defaults, and brings them down. See how this makes no sense? Blame the root cause.
You obviously watch too much tv. Too much bull# americanised propoganda crap.

Originally posted by torqpoc
If they actually worked and produced something rather than sat about being a bunch of lazy fekwits maybe they wouldn't have gotten into the state they're in now needing to be bailed out by countries who can't really afford to bail anyone out.. thought of that one Dimitri? Nope, didn't think so.

This is what really told me you were (sadly) from my country. For starters, it was your pathetic insulting language aimed at anyone but yourself or THIS nation.
Secondly, it was the great lack of misinformation that has been fed to you.
Lazy? I'd like you to take the time to look at these graphs - if you dare

2005


2008




Produced something?

Greek exports were increasing by 31.5% in 2011, (Q1 2011).
They produce:
- Aluminium
- Bauxite
- Marble
- Nickel
- Copper
- Cement
- Pipes
- Magnesium
- Gold
- Betonite
- Perlite
- Osmium
- Natural Gas
- Oil
Source - www.minfin.gr... ay+2011-FINAL.pdf (page 4, in case you can't be bothered reading)

What do we export? Uranium to the superpowers? What the f*ck does that contribute to the modern aspiring world?

Originally posted by torqpoc
Everyone is in the same boat. Every government abuses it's people, everyone has to pay taxes, deal with unemployment and poverty. So get off the soap box.

I dare you to venture outside of this "lucky" (in some respects) country. Those australians who have been to greece and looked at their situation know that they are in a different kind of hell that most australians are simply unable to comprehend.
Jesus, i mean we're lucky enough to even get welfare. The greeks not only don't have unemployment benefits, a lot of them have lost their superannuation, life savings, etc. to the stupidity of politicians that are in every nation - not just greece. And i've spoken to many greeks while travelling regarding their situation, and they all are common stories - they all have been robbed. They have nothing to fall back on like us australians do.

I'm afraid YOU are in the soap box, my friend.

Originally posted by torqpoc
It's a shame you can't send people to Australia anymore, oh for the good old days.

The good ol' days? Don't be a joke. So many people mocked my family growing up despite me being born in this country. Despite me being born here, i still get ignorantly labelled as a "wog".
Save your sarcasm. You and i both know that a lot of people in this country are generally very unwelcoming.

I could smell you're nationality from a mile away. Only someone from this country could be so ignorant and racist towards another culture in such a way.

It's # like this that makes me ashamed of calling myself a part of THIS nation.

I don't believe you've been to greece in the last 5 years. If you have, you would know what they export to the world. You would have seen their architecture while walking through their streets.
Unless you stayed on one of the islands and drank like a lot of the australians that go up there. Even then, their consistency with the modern world is obvious.

Otherwise, why do people like you go if there's nothing to admire about them?

Sorry, i double posted, and am not quite sure how to delete. lol this is embarassing.

reply to post by xxdaniel21


LOL you think i'm Australian? Bwuahahaha you haven't got a clue do you?

Racist? I'm not racist.

Working hours equates to nothing i'm afraid. I am more productive working 30 hours than most working 60.

And yeah I have been to Greece, and their architecture is from a different era, don't make me laugh.

I'll stick to my realism, you stick to your propaganda, ok? Deal? Cosy now are we? *grin*

T

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


They don't want austerity measures?

Well then, why don't you explain to us who don't share your wonderful grasp of finance, from where a state up to its ears in maturing debt that it could never even hope to repay obtains the capital with which it to fund the 'government spending' of socialism. As further debt from the creditors it can't repay? As daylight robbery of the citizenry of Western Europeans nations? As taxes from a population that doesn't pay taxes and produces so little that could be taxed in the first place? Or from the magical money tree, perhaps?

The 'Greeks' voted for the governments that borrowed and spent the nation into financial ruin. The 'Greeks' endorsed the ideology of social liberalism preached by these politicians. The 'Greeks' participated in the political system of a parliamentary democracy run by oligarchical 'parties'. The 'Greeks' expressed no dissatisfaction with this state of affairs until the cold, hard fact of 'no free lunch' reared its ugly head at last and their little socialist state blew up in their faces. Now we're meant to believe that the ones to blame for it all are the creditors?

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
The Greek people don't want your money.

They don't want neo-liberal austerity that is designed to cut regulations and sell off state assets to other EU countries, namely Germany and France.

That is the problem though isn't it?

The Greeks don't want this and they don't want that.

But they want to continue living beyond their means by spending other peoples' money.



How about the Greeks just live within their means and pay back the money they have already borrowed?

But they don't want to do that.

What they do want to do is

Recieve a 130 billion euro ($173.08 billion) rescue package to prevent the country from going bankrupt.

While having 53.5% of the Greek government bond debt written off!

Fina ncial Times

reply to post by ollncasino


I find it funny that the socialists here telling us Greeks don't want this or that and blaming France and Germany forget that its French and German banks (and subsequently those countries taxpayers) who are most exposed to Greece's "issues".

T

Originally posted by torqpoc
And yeah I have been to Greece, and their architecture is from a different era, don't make me laugh.

It is hardly surprising that all the cultural achievements of Greece belong to an age buried some two to three thousand years in the past, given that modern 'Greeks' are Afro-Asiatic interlopers to which the overwhelming presence of haplogroups E1b1b and J in male lineages testifies.

reply to post by trust_no_one


We've seen anonymous "threaten" to do alot of things. If they can actually pull this off, they should do instead of making these threats and getting everyones hopes up thinking that they're actually do something big.
But that just my opinion, if they can I hope they do

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by torqpoc
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

Oh do me a favour with your rhetoric. I know what it is and why it is. The Greeks had the right to complain, much like everyone in the UK, France and Germany has. But they also have the right to work.. rather than strike, whine, lay about and take long lunches expecting their wealth to grow and fall from trees.

Been to Greece in the last 5 years? I have.. bunch of lazy fekwits. They made their bed and now they are lying in it.

Quite frankly I wouldn't work for a bunch of plutocrats either. Striking is the strongest means of non-violent protest because you cut off the nation's mode of production.

Of course thats what a country in dire financial straights needs, a strike to put them even deeper into the red.

You may be a political idealist Dimitri, but you have no idea about finances.