Evidence Of Advanced Technology Thousands Of Years Ago In Peru (Interesting)

reply to post by Flavian

the most likely and jump for the most far fetched

And what is the most likely in this case? Several have been presented. Which one, or another, will demostrate how people from how many years ago were able to cut straight lines though rocks of this type.

reply to post by anon72


All of the methods presented are likely. It would depend upon the location of the site in question as to which was most likely at that location.

When people leave partial records of how they achieved things i do not understand how they are so readily dismissed. Added to things like Diorite and obsidian carving tools, hammers, etc being found in quarries. That isn't having a pop at you, i just genuinely do not get how people can dismiss evidence like this so quickly.

reply to post by Flavian


Well, the sites in Peru, from the limited info I possess now... are mosly elevated to some high degree.

Yes, I understand we have cranes that can lift these rocks NOW. And even now, those cranes that we have today will not be making any trip to any of these places. Just not doable.

So, I still contend.. whoever build with the large blocks and items... were NOT the Inca's, Myans etc that we know today. The history just doesn't add up-yet.

I believe those peoples, just like Egyptians, came upon the sites (destroyed-such as in the OP video or mostly intact, like the GIZA structures. They then expaned or incoporated them into their life styles.

reply to post by anon72


Sorry to everyone, Harte included, (didn't mean to leave you twisting in the wind) that I am very late joining this party.

But once I saw that person Bex33, involving the Sumerians in a "Khemtrail" thread, I just had to reiterate what my profound realists, skeptic and scientifically balanced colleagues have previously noted:

Evidence, or it did not happen!
Or at least look for empirical evidence to support the claim.
Or the tooth fairy, Santa Clause, aliens, unicorns, sky fairies and don't forget the "Invisible Spaghetti Monster", did it. We all know where that leads.

The statements: "I think the aliens did it", "I feel the Ancients could not have done it" or one of the best ones:
"We can not do it, we don't currently have the technology, so it must have been (add your favorite culprit here)"
are at best described as arguments from ignorance.

(BTW: I have worked on SCR Drive systems that actually power the motors on 5000ton cranes. AND there are a lot bigger than that!)
It should be noted, as well, that the lifting power is not the horse (or man) power of the prime mover, but the number or wraps on the hook.Double the wraps of the cable, double the lifting capability, more or less.
Google it.


And then pointing out Sitchin (RIP) and his ilk, the charlatans and proven hoaxers looking to make a buck off of the uninformed and ignorant, i.e: not having knowledge of the presented material and usually too lazy to "look it up". This is called an "appeal to authority".

Anyway, this link was posted earlier in this thread:

The Evidence For Advanced Ancient Construction

Please read it and then question your "beliefs".
There are many articles written here that are informative and give you something to think about.

Look at the EVIDENCE and then use your own REASONING and COMMON SENSE to develop an understanding of what you speak/write.

Thanks for your time. Sorry again I was late.

73's,
Tom

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

But you missed the point and didn't fully comprehend the article.... and BTW I paraphrased the wiki article which isn't considered plagerism.

Again... the heat generated by todays most efficient parabolic mirrors is not enough to melt Limestone or granite. The heat generation achieved by todays modern solar furnaces is focused from hundreds of highly efficient mirrors on to a single point which collects the heat.

If they used mirrors.... I guess work stopped on cloudy days...

edit on 23-2-2012 by Blarneystoner because: (no reason given)

True as to what you say here, but how many gold mirrors would they need to focus towards one to achieve the heat they would need? I'm not saying they did this, but suggesting this maybe within their technical abilities of their time, and yes it is a stretch. the old string saw and abrasion material, and a lot of time is my true answer.

Originally posted by sirhumperdink
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

thank you
i have pondered this for hours and hours myself
i dont believe sun worship in all these cultures was a coincidence its importance seems to go far beyond agriculture
im going to remain skeptical until this is actually tested
and i know i dont have 20k+ to blow on gold right now

(i still think the array would be so large it would not at all be efficient)

devils advocate: suppose they sand down the stone expose quartz outcrops and then easily chiseled these off and smoothed it?

easy
primitive
smart
and would have the same aesthetics they do

edit on 23-2-2012 by sirhumperdink because: (no reason given)

Yes, I agree. I think the true answer is so simple that only a genius of their time would think of it.

Originally posted by A-Dub
well I know I got the subject turned over to mirrors and such, but this thread has made me watch a ton of stone mason videos on youtube, and im starting to think for the most part these stones were made with simple feather/wedge technique, most of the time if the mason does it right the stones are split very clean like it was cut, but sometimes it doesnt which is where the random puzzle looking pieces were fit in.

Good point and in the video they did say that they could not find and true right angles though the surfaces were extremely smooth.

Originally posted by buddha
I wonder just how many times mankind (?)
has fallen?
And we get to see one collapse now.
and this one will leave so little that can last thousands of years.

What do you mean by fallen? We were once estimated at 10,000 humans on the planet in the last ice age, and that is why all of us are so very close in DNA.

Another interesting fact is humans migrated out of Africa in at least two waves...the first wave actually used advance tools for their time, and the second wave had no such tools...

reply to post by tomdham


Well you use the same argument, we have no evidence of aliens, so it must be some kind of human civilization. I mean we are the smartest and greatest species in the universe right? We are the most advanced, and if we can't comprehend why e.t.'s would come down here, or how, then they must not have come. So it must have been the ancient humans, who were primitive in every area except advanced contruction, that we would have a hard time reproducing. Nevermind the fact that there is no evidence of any cranes or machines to cut these rocks and move them with such precision. Surely there were easier ways to create shelters and buildings, why go through all the trouble? Why not pass that knowledge on, why don't we see these structures everywhere, with various accounts on how they were made and moved?

reply to post by Harte


I think you totally missed my point in all this about mirrors... My point was the possibilities only from what they had available for their time period.

I still think simple string saws and abrasion material that I have said many times already, where do you stand on this issue.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
reply to post by Harte

 

I think you totally missed my point in all this about mirrors... My point was the possibilities only from what they had available for their time period.

I still think simple string saws and abrasion material that I have said many times already, where do you stand on this issue.

No doubt ancient humans could cut stone, some of these sites however show that they are much more advanced than what ancient humans could have managed, on top of that they are in wierd places, seemingly for no reason that we can find, and in some cases the stones weighing hundreds of tons, were moved hundreds of miles. Its like saying we had cars and planes 10,000 years ago.

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

For all we know it was there for millenia before being flooded.

The problem is we do not need to go too far back in time to where humans are no longer human but a different species. So any ancient civilization would not be human in anyway, and if some of these sites were actually made 100,000/millions of years ago we would find some other human like species, but not humans. Evolution never stops.....

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Majestic Lumen


1,200 tons is 2,400,000 pounds. Don't be fooled by the "ton" marking, That many pounds is pretty significant.

Yes, and it is movable by todays cranes, the Roman's didn't move it and left in the quarry, it probably could have been moved the short distanced needed but they didn't try it - probably not worth the effort from their point of view. They did move the three 800 tonners

I think they used a lot of dirt. To build the pyramids all they would need to do is bury each layer making the next layer up ground level, and when they were done they just dig it out back to the oringal ground level they started with.

Using this technique with a huge monolith... you build a ramp of dirt to the point you want to place it then you dig a hole back to ground zero and it slides/falls in standing upward supported by the sides of the hole. Once you secured it you then clear all the dirt/stone/rock away that made the artificial hill and now you have an upright mega stone with no cranes really needed.

So any of these cultures would only need the ability to drag/move the stones.

If we look at stone hedge, in that part of the world man was very good at building massive mounds of dirt, and so if we push this forward a little why not build a huge mound where stone hedge would be then drag the rocks there and once again dig holes back to ground level and have the stones slide in standing up, do this for all your standing support stones. Now bury them again and now drag the horizontal upper cross stones into place, and once you are done just dig it all out....

reply to post by Xtrozero


Except now you have to figure out how to 1. make the dirt ramp 2. move the stones up the dirt ramp 3. why would they go through so much effort, when there are much easier ways to create buildings and such.

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

Except now you have to figure out how to 1. make the dirt ramp 2. move the stones up the dirt ramp 3. why would they go through so much effort, when there are much easier ways to create buildings and such.

All depends on what they know how to do. Building a mound is very low tech, and something they did a lot. We know they can drag/move these huge stones, since they did, but people always want to think in terms of cranes and other types of equipment that they didn't have. I'm convinced Stone Hedge was done this way.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

Except now you have to figure out how to 1. make the dirt ramp 2. move the stones up the dirt ramp 3. why would they go through so much effort, when there are much easier ways to create buildings and such.

All depends on what they know how to do. Building a mound is very low tech, and something they did a lot. We know they can drag/move these huge stones, since they did, but people always want to think in terms of cranes and other types of equipment that they didn't have. I'm convinced Stone Hedge was done this way.

We want to think in that way, because thats the only way we know how to move them, otherwise we wouldn't have a need for them.

Originally posted by andersensrm

No doubt ancient humans could cut stone, some of these sites however show that they are much more advanced than what ancient humans could have managed, on top of that they are in wierd places, seemingly for no reason that we can find, and in some cases the stones weighing hundreds of tons, were moved hundreds of miles. Its like saying we had cars and planes 10,000 years ago.

Do not limit what early humans were capable of by using simple man power, know how, and basic physic principles by saying they had help.... they didn't have help and they did all that stuff.

Originally posted by andersensrm

We want to think in that way, because thats the only way we know how to move them, otherwise we wouldn't have a need for them.

Well you need to think in terms of what man would do using simple tools, and digging/moving dirt is about as simple as it gets.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by andersensrm

We want to think in that way, because thats the only way we know how to move them, otherwise we wouldn't have a need for them.

Well you need to think in terms of what man would do using simple tools, and digging/moving dirt is about as simple as it gets.

So why build such complicated structures that mirror the complicated nature of our universe?

reply to post by Xtrozero


Seems we now are pretty retarded? They wanted to move the statue of Ramesses II to a museum, people looked at it; and said, the only way we can possibly do this is by cutting it in pieces. They didn't want that so they builded a museum around it.

Anyways I just don't buy; simple tools; simply ways.. for this stuff.
Is that the best science comes up with?; simple tools, simple ways..

life time research and yes; they got as answer; simple tools, simple ways.




Simple tools, simple ways are for caveman, they lived a simple life, made simple things.
This doesn't add up.

It would be shocking if science doesn't got an answer, so hey they got a great name&fame with their breakthrough findings/answers for this big problem; how did they do this?: simple tools, simple ways!