Evidence Of Advanced Technology Thousands Of Years Ago In Peru (Interesting)

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by AGWskeptic

 

Okay so lets say some ancient human civilization created these "structures" with their own advanced technology, somehow it was advanced enough to create precision cuts and move tons and tons of rock hundreds of hundreds of miles. You would expect that the technology they have, would rival our own, except we see no evidence of more complex structures like we see today. There were no bull dozers, or computers left over, so how are they so advanced without these? Maybe because someone or something gave them the technology, and they did whatever with it? Going back to the point, these ancient civilizations would put major discrepencies in the evolutionary time line. Which I guess leads to the fact that maybe we aren't from earth, since we can't match our evolutionary timeline with anything else, if indeed we were so highly advanced going back 10's of thousands of years. The only two options I see are, either E.T.'s gave us this technology, intentionally or unintentionally, or E.T.'s dropped us here 10's of thousands of years ago with the knowledge to do so.

Todays structures aren't built with longevity in mind, metal rusts and wood rots. There is a old Dodge truck in my grove that has deteriorated so much in the 14 years I've owned the property at this rate it will be gone in 30 more years. It seems like the more advanced we become the crappy our stuff gets in terms of quality. Very few things are built to last in the modern world.

I look at the Lake Titicaca area as pretty good evidence of an advanced civilization. There is evidence that the lake is artificially made, and from the air it resembles a leaping panther, which also is the translation of titicaca. Too many strange things there that contradict mainstream archeology.

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

Todays structures aren't built with longevity in mind, metal rusts and wood rots. There is a old Dodge truck in my grove that has deteriorated so much in the 14 years I've owned the property at this rate it will be gone in 30 more years. It seems like the more advanced we become the crappy our stuff gets in terms of quality. Very few things are built to last in the modern world.

I look at the Lake Titicaca area as pretty good evidence of an advanced civilization. There is evidence that the lake is artificially made, and from the air it resembles a leaping panther, which also is the translation of titicaca. Too many strange things there that contradict mainstream archeology.

Most ancient stuff erodes away too, only a small percentage of stuff was made with stone, most with wood and mud brick.

Lots of our stuff will survive 100's of thousands if not millions of years in an archaeological context, our glass, brick, ceramics, cut gems, some plastics, metals etc

Lake Titicaca is artifical? Interesting claim, I believe you will find the term means, 'stone of the puma',

In your phrase

Too many strange things there that contradict mainstream archeology

What you actually means is, fringe writers have made up a whole lot of stuff, none of which is supported by evidence and is ignored by the mainstream, however I stand open minded; lets see this evidence you have please

Unfortunately I will be gone until Monday.

May I suggest you put this claim into a separate thread

Thanks

Originally posted by Anon77
... Don't forget the Romans had concrete, So why not the ancient civilizations too? Some of the stones could be a cast concrete mix, Allowing perfect alignment if they all came form the same molds....

Actually, they had some expert looking at some of the stonework at Puma Punku (sp?), Bolivia who made the same comment -- that it could be some type of poured concrete. That may explain some of the precision work that cannot be replicated today by modern stone masters with high tech tools.

I can't remember which episode of "Ancient Aliens" that was on.

Originally posted by anon72
It looks like to me that the people we know who lived there came upon the ruins of a great building/city.

The finders appeared to have built on and around the left over/remains. Hence the small bricks/stones etc.

I can't wait to go there and see for myself..

That's exactly what happened. The beautiful, precisely cut megaliths were created by an UNKNOWN people.
The Incas came along later to these sites (the original builders already long gone) and built on top of the megalithic structures.

Some of the Incas called the unknown people, Gods.

Originally posted by Anon77

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
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...but please explain the saw cut stone at the beginning of the video. As someone who cuts stone using diamond scintered blades I can tell you that that stone was cut by a saw... no question about it. And if that stone is a 7 MOH no amount of sand would do the trick...

I honestly don't know, Maybe they discovered a way to embed sand into bronze saws? Maybe they discovered a way to make and use the modern day equivalent of industrial diamonds?. We just don't know enough about those civilisations to be sure. But I'm still betting it was just some clever humans rather than aliens... (or possibly the cuts were made at a later date?) Bit hard to prove either way.

Advanced human civilizations and the presence of aliens in Earth's history are NOT mutually exclusive.
It's not an "either/or" proposition.

Originally posted by Anon77

Some kind of lost technology I'd guess? They did know about diamonds so they may have come up with a way of embedding them in copper or bronze, There's just so little proof of what they used. Most of our current theories are just 'best guess' theories based on experimentation with the items we know they had access to. Also I'm really sceptical about saw marks on ancient stones. As far as I know there is no way of telling when they were made, Maybe they were cut from the quarry (or taken from even older structures) with the marks already on them, Maybe some even older civilisation made the marks?

Personally I think the human race has arrived at our current technological level hundreds of times, And every-time we've destroyed ourselves. Have any of you read about the Vimana? If you read into those stories, one civilisation ended in nuclear war thousands of years ago.

An interest in Vimanas and ancient Vedic culture? Try this:

“The Celestial Key to the Vedas: Discovering the Origins of the World’s Oldest Civilization” by B.G. Sidharth

“B. G. Sidharth is director of India's B. M. Birla Science Center. He has over 30 years of experience in astronomy and science education and is a frequent consultant to astronomy journals and science centers around the globe. He lives in Hyderabad, India.”

“A leading astronomer proves that India had a thriving civilization capable of sophisticated astronomy long before Greece, Egypt, or any other world culture. Provides conclusive evidence that the Rig Veda is 12,000 years old. Astronomer B. G. Sidharth proves conclusively that the earliest portions of the Rig Veda can be dated as far back as 10,000 b.c.”

“He explores such subjects as the astronomical significance of many Hindu deities and myths, the system of lunar asterisms used to mark time, the identity of the Asvins, and the sophisticated calendar of the ancients that harmonized solar and lunar cycles. Sidharth provides incontrovertible evidence that such 'advanced' astronomical concepts as precession, heliocentrism, and the eclipse cycle are encoded in these ancient texts, passages of which make perfect sense only if these astronomical keys are known.”

“Based on internal evidence in the Mahabharata and Ramayana, he also becomes the first to establish likely dates--and even places--for the events described in these famous epics.”

Condensed from:
store.innertraditions.com...



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Does anyone think that there may be a broken blade embeded in that rock? Could that be the reason the rock is not cut through all the way?

It would be cool to find metal flakes in that slice.

Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours

That still doesn't explain this stone. No machine in the world today can lift this stone.

1. it was never lifted - it was left in the quarry - probably too difficult for the even the Romans to move efficiently

2. don't be silly, do a two minute google search for cranes

1 Why take the effort creating such a stone. This is no days work with granite.

2. This stone was investigated 10 heavy lift cranes were needed to lift that thing. (the 10 cranes could of by1 or 2)

We do have cranes in the year 2012 CE that can lift 1200 tons (the estimated weight of the "Mother" stone at Baalbek). But that does nothing to explain how the ancients did it. Machu Picchu always amazes me -- how did they get those megaliths up that mountain?

Originally posted by Fisherr
This just speaks for itself.

Wally. T. Wallington

I've seen this before. This is a bit extended than what I saw earlier. Impressive. I noticed that when he was spinning the blocks, he was doing it on a hard surface.

As impressive as this is, it does not explain everything. I remember watching on TV an experiment in Central America conducted by Americans. They were trying to move large blocks over water.

The standard academic explanation was that the natives had floated these megaliths on rafts to the building site. However, when this was tried with blocks (smaller than what the natives used), the raft always sank quickly.

So the natives were using unknown means of getting the blocks over water.

Wallington tumbling the block down an incline, does not explain how much, MUCH larger blocks were moved up steep inclines. As he said, gravity is one of his main tools.

Originally posted by Harte
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Stones at Tiahuanaco still today have marks caused by them being smashed by stone pounders.

Interior cuts on the stones at Puma Punku show evidence of chiseling at the inside corners.
The above things appear in the linked PDF from Hanslune that compares the Inca stonemasonry to that of Tiahuanaco (Puma Punku.)

I am certain that all stone in the ancient past was cut using pounding stones and copper (or, later, bronze) saws used with abrasives, and fire, which softens stones like granite and diorite, andesite and etc. Shaping was accomplished with pounding stones, saws, chisels, and rubbing stones.

And that's all it takes.

Harte

Right. Why the heck dont people just READ and follow the links posted?
These people were fabulous stone mansons, even earlier cultures like in Puma Punku clearly show how they hold huge stone blocks together ( with clamps).
another problem is of course the movement of stone blocks with 50 tons weight or more..


here is another intersting archeologic find, an olmec stone with inscriptions, nearly 3000 yrs old :

www.spiegel.de...
babelfish translation:
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Originally posted by Cruff
I was in Sth America in 2007 and went to Ollantaytambo. I absolutely loved it.

Here are some pics that I took from there. The last two pics are from Easter Island as well. A book that I had read whilst in Cusco mentioned that at one point there was land connecting Easter Island and Nazca.

Certainly seems like the same builders were in both areas at some point!

Enjoy!

Impressive photos. Did you take these? The incredible precision of the stonework -- so impressive. (I deleted the many photos -- take up too much space.)

Have you read Thor Heyerdahl ? He wrote a book ages ago entitled "Aku Aku" (I think) which was about the ties between South America & Easter Island.

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
reply to post by spaceg0at

 

The "ropes sand and glue" idea is half baked. You have to match the pressures and temperatures present in today's methods in order to do this scale of work within a reasonable time frame and believing you can generate the necessary amount of friction with ropes and sand is completely silly. They would still be flossing the stones apart today if that's how they did it. It's just silly. I'm wondering if they didn't use lasers. I've also read that there are some stones in other sites around the world that appear to have been cast like concrete. I've also read that ancient writings talk about stones that were turned into something like a marshmallow and shaped in place like the ones at Machu Pichu. www.world-mysteries.com...

Here's something on melting rocks:

"Colonel P.H. Fawcett, the explorer of South American jungles and student of pre-Columbian civilizations ... was of the opinion that the prehistoric (pre-Incan) builders could soften stones and 'stack' them -- something like malleable bags of sand or moist cement -- so that they would flow together and harden, or be pushed together like soft putty."

from Page 74 of "Mysteries From Forgotten Worlds"

There's much more in this book on pre-Incan construction.

Originally posted by Soulece
Again does anybody else see the pyramid and eye at 3:58? Makes sense to the origin of these stones.

Yes, I saw it. You have to be right on 3:58 to see it. It's difficult to freeze the frame at the right spot.
It does look like a circular "eye" in a triangle. It's not well-done and I'm apt to dismiss this as a coincidental anomaly.

I'm sure you'll disagree.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull

...One tactic is to compare the size, shape, etc of the Pyramids at Giza to the pyramids at Teotihuacan even though the Pyramid of the Sun in Teotihuacan was constructed in the Common Era and the pyramids at Giza were built more than 2000 years BCE....

According to the EAA's (Establishment Academic Authorities), Teotihuacan was built between 100 BCE and maybe up to 250 CE.

I always thought it was interesting that the EAA's were not sure WHO built Teotihuacan. And I'm NOT saying ETs built it. But I also do not rule out the possibility that they might have helped.

The Aztecs never claimed credit for it. In fact, the Aztecs were afraid of Teotihuacan, considered it haunted and avoided it.

Originally posted by Bex33

Using archeoastronomy which to be fair isnt my strongpoint, far older dates have been deduced, it is difficult to explain but obviously the stars in the sky move over the years which is called procession of the zodiac, it takes 72 years for the to rotate by 1 degree. By identifying which star(s) the buildings were aligned with we can find out exactly when they were built. I hope that makes sense.

It's also known as "The Precession of the Equinoxes":

"Axial precession is the movement of the rotational axis of an astronomical body, whereby the axis slowly traces out a cone. In the case of Earth, this type of precession is also known as the precession of the equinoxes or precession of the equator. Earth goes through one such complete precessional cycle in a period of approximately 26,000 years, during which the positions of stars as measured in the equatorial coordinate system will slowly change; the change is due to the change of the coordinates. Over this cycle, Earth's north axial pole moves from where it is now, within 1° of Polaris, in a circle around the ecliptic pole, with an angular radius of about 23.5 degrees (or approximately 23 degrees 27 arcminutes [1]). The shift is 1 degree in 72 years, where the angle is taken from the observer, not from the center of the circle." (Wikipedia)

The complete precessional year of 25,800 years is as known as The Great Year or The Platonic Year.


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Originally posted by Illustronic
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Truly underestimate technology today. We don't use rocks because we have advanced material technology. Your computer wouldn't work if it was made out of rock. Explain how we managed to make the Keck observatory reflecting mirror, or the Gravity Probe B sphere?

Could they do that? BTW, glass would not deteriorate for a million years, we find no glass there.

Actually finely ground lenses & obsidian lenses have been found at ancient sites.

Originally posted by Illustronic
reply to post by Bex33

 

I'd prefer a link so I can read it myself, I searched over 6 pages of this thread with zero verifications of dates.

Check out Robert Bauval, the French engineer, and his "Orion Correlation Theory."

The following link has some interesting "alternative" ideas about the real age of Puma Punku (12,000 to 17,000 years old).

paranormaloldpueblo.com...

Originally posted by AuranVector

Originally posted by Illustronic
reply to post by Bex33

 

I'd prefer a link so I can read it myself, I searched over 6 pages of this thread with zero verifications of dates.

Check out Robert Bauval, the French engineer, and his "Orion Correlation Theory."

The following link has some interesting "alternative" ideas about the real age of Puma Punku (12,000 to 17,000 years old).

paranormaloldpueblo.com...

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That's not good. The basis they are using for dating relies on a cataclysmic flood they say happened 12,000 years ago, and there is no geological proof a flood like this occurred then. They then assume an additional 5,000 years before this flood is when these constructions occurred, that's pure conjecture.

If all of the ice melted on earth the sea level would rise an estimated 220 some feet. Tiwanaku, Bolivia is situated at an elevation of 3840 m (12600 feet). Most of the world ice is in Antarctica, up to 7,000 feet think, if all of the ice melted in Antarctica sea levels would rise about 200 feet, Greenland holds the second most world ice it would effect sea level about 20 more feet, ocean ice melt would have nominal effect on sea levels, and all land glacial ice would only contribute a couple feet if that. We are thousands of feet from the sea level ever reaching this site.

That dating method is not based in science, its based on mythology.

This land mass in Bolivia has no scientific proof that it was at a different altitude above sea level 12,000 years ago than it is now, and if it wasn't, a flood would be the least of the problems the area would have faced.

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
What about Japan's Pyramid found in the sea, we know nothing about it, about his history or civilization or people lived there.

Well, other than the observable fact that it's not a pyramid, and the established fact that it isn't even a "structure" at all, it's a nice place to dive, if you can stand the currents.

Originally posted by FlySolo
A few moments of thought tells me we can't do that now, but they could achieve that then. How? Sorry, you probably subscribe to ropes and rock tools theory. Good luck with that then.

It's been established that the Ancient Egyptians quarried granite by bashing it out with diorite pounding stones (several were left in the quarry with the unfinished obelisk which was cracked - marks on the granite there prove the method was used.)

The question is, how'd they do that?

A couple of years ago, a researcher duplicated the efforts (partially, of course) by burning fires over the granite in the quarry, and after it cooled, pounding it.

He showed that, once the granite had been fired, he was able pound it out at a rate that was three or four times (IIRC) faster than without the fire.

It is now theorized that the same process was used to soften the surface in order to more easily smooth it, and to soften it to facilitate the carving of hieroglyphs.

As far as cutting, a couple of links in this thread show that copper saws with sand abrasives do the job quite well, with two old Egyptologists achieving a decent cut depth in a short amount of time.

If you don't read the links to evidence of the claim that the AE's sawed stone, and shaped it with pounders and rubbing stones, and carved it with chisels, then you're claim that "they couldn't have done this" is completely illegitimate.

Harte

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Bringing logic and reason to the table? How very dare you sir!

It is sooooo obvious after reading obscure websites and watching dodgy youtube clips that it is all the work of Ancient Aliens!

Sorry, couldn't resist. I do love the fact that people are so quick to discount the most likely and jump for the most far fetched. Says a lot about us as a species i think.


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