Cop Tazers Handcuffed Women In The Back. She Is Now Braindead.

Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
I hope all you supporters of this cop, dont ever have a family member arrested , who makes a bad Decision.

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

you know why most people don’t have a problem with the police even when they do make a bad decision and get arrested? Because most mature people understand that its not the officers fault, they accept responsibility for their actions, and they take the punishment.

What I’m seeing now is a whole generation of people who are too immature to take any responsibility for anything. They took underwater basket weaving in college so they could spend 4 years playing WOW, and now its societies job to pay for their upkeep, food, house that they are upside down on, health care, etc… These are the same mentality of people such as those defending this woman. The reality of the situation is that its HER fault she was arrested, its HER fault that she ran from the police, its HER fault that she got tazed, and its ultimately HER fault that she cracked her head on the cement.
Accept responsibilities for YOUR actions…

it would have been pretty hard for her to bust her skull if she had been sitting on the bench in the holding cell like she should’ve been.

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I gotta go with Defcon5 on this one..

he is right...simple as that..

reply to post by tigertatzen


Ya your right, you and butch are both right. She should have been gently placed in the cruiser and taken to booking, slept it off in an overnight cell and released. And she definitively would have learned her lesson from that.

Poor poor 20 year old american female, i mean what did she really do wrong here? 2 hit and runs while under the influence and running from police..... i mean who hasn't done that right?

Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by butcherguy
In what court was she judged to be guilty of this alleged crime?

Duh?

PS: Guilt comes after a trial.

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Not always.
A police officer has the right to act when seeing a crime in progress, that includes fleeing from the police. They are allowed under law to use any amount of force, within the situations current level of the use of force matrix, to bring that situation under control. If you get hurt because of your own stupid actions, that’s not the cops fault as long as he used an amount of force that was justified under the law for the situation. You can escalate a parking ticket right on up to getting yourself shot if you are stupid enough to resist the police.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

In PA , a cop can shoot a suspect fleeing from the scene of a felony. Not sure about the laws in FL, but it doesn't make everything 'alright'.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by butcherguy
In what court was she judged to be guilty of this alleged crime?

Duh?

PS: Guilt comes after a trial.

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Not always.
A police officer has the right to act when seeing a crime in progress, that includes fleeing from the police. They are allowed under law to use any amount of force, within the situations current level of the use of force matrix, to bring that situation under control. If you get hurt because of your own stupid actions, that’s not the cops fault as long as he used an amount of force that was justified under the law for the situation. You can escalate a parking ticket right on up to getting yourself shot if you are stupid enough to resist the police.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

In PA , a cop can shoot a suspect fleeing from the scene of a felony. Not sure about the laws in FL, but it doesn't make everything 'alright'.

If it's legal it's OK no matter what. That's what this guy Xcat told me.

reply to post by imalitehaus


So what is a cop to do. How about we just get rid of them all together? Let them all take a couple of weeks off lets see what happens. You guys are the ones that are being ridiculous. He could have tackled her and ended up doing the same thing. It seems you have to have a court trial before you can arrest someone now, which doesn't make sense because you would never be able to figure out who it was, because they just ran away. If she stayed put, she would have been fine, if she was innocent she would have been let go. That is the sacrifice we all have to make, we sacrifice our freedom for the amount of time it takes the cops to determine whether or not we committed a crime. Let me know if you figured out a better way.

I say tough. Act like a lady and be treated like a lady. Act like an animal, be treated as one. Do a ride along with your local PD or Sheriffs office before you form an opinion and stop talking from an isolated point of view. Oh and to all those posted that have something to say about a cops weight, try working a few months on their shift work and see if you can eat right and maintain a consistent work out regiment.

One last thing, any investigation is done based on what would another officer do at the time, not a civilian from the comfort of their arm chair. There will probably be discipline for her being cuffed in the front, not secured in the building (ie doors locked, etc..), not for a taser deployment which resulted in her head hitting the pavement.

Personal responsibility goes a long way and this day and age it's always someone else's fault.

reply to post by v1rtu0s0

If it's legal it's OK no matter what. That's what this guy Xcat told me.

Excathedra is okay for a cop.

Where is he at, anyway? He usually has some very good points to make on threads like this.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by v1rtu0s0

 

If it's legal it's OK no matter what. That's what this guy Xcat told me.

Excathedra is okay for a cop.

Where is he at, anyway? He usually has some very good points to make on threads like this.

He doing his part to kill Iranians.
Americans are no challenge anymore.

I usually give the cop the benifit of the doubt. I also usually spend a lot of time explaining the hows and whys of police actions. On this one I am at a loss. This cop needs to be dismissed.

He was close enough to grab her. He could have subdued her with minimal risk to himself or her. In my department he would be out on his rear.

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by imalitehaus

 

So what is a cop to do. How about we just get rid of them all together? Let them all take a couple of weeks off lets see what happens. You guys are the ones that are being ridiculous. He could have tackled her and ended up doing the same thing. It seems you have to have a court trial before you can arrest someone now, which doesn't make sense because you would never be able to figure out who it was, because they just ran away. If she stayed put, she would have been fine, if she was innocent she would have been let go. That is the sacrifice we all have to make, we sacrifice our freedom for the amount of time it takes the cops to determine whether or not we committed a crime. Let me know if you figured out a better way.

Seriously, there is a better way. Look to your fellow citizens not as the enemy, but as an accused suspect with RIGHTS and proceed cautiously and fairly. Getting out of that "club" mentality, too. That would be good for everyone.

I'm old enough to remember how things used to be and they were handled with much greater discretion, yes, even respect for another human's God-given rights. Just because the new laws are crazy, doesn't mean the police force has to go crazy along with them. Innocent until proven guilty seems to have also flown the coop.

I scrolled through the post and was surprised at how many people think this was justified.

A taser is a lethal weapon. There are many cases were an officers taser has been fatal.

Lethal weapons should be used in only the most tightest circumstances. Not at a150 pound armless women whos hands were cuffed.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by v1rtu0s0

 

If it's legal it's OK no matter what. That's what this guy Xcat told me.

Excathedra is okay for a cop.

Where is he at, anyway? He usually has some very good points to make on threads like this.

I don't know, we had an arguement the other night and he stormed out of the house. Haven't seen him since.



I mean............

reply to post by imalitehaus


Well there's this mentality that the cop's out to get you, which is why you lie, or try to run or whatever. Just tell them everything, don't run, and they usually just leave you alone. Sorry but the only one at fault here is the woman. If I was taken innocently so be it, I don't mind wasting a few hours so they can clear it up, no biggie, you take off on a run you risk everything. This was the luck of the draw, he could have tackled her and she could have cracked her skull, she could have tripped and cracked her skull, she could have run into traffic and cracked her skull, would all of that be the cops fault too?

Originally posted by ugahm
I scrolled through the post and was surprised at how many people think this was justified.

A taser is a lethal weapon. There are many cases were an officers taser has been fatal.

Lethal weapons should be used in only the most tightest circumstances. Not at a150 pound armless women whos hands were cuffed behind her back

What if he tackles her from the back, lands on her, and breaks her face or causes her serious harm like that... Would it then be justified??? A Taser gun is not classified as a lethal weapon, yes there are cases of it killing people, but those are the few exceptions...

Simple idea for everyone here... When handcuffed, DONT RUN.... Everyone should be able to follow this....

People defending this cop is exactly what got this country into the state that is in. I mean she was wanted for what? Drunk Driving and hit run? She was some gun toting drug dealer or a serial killer wanted for eight murders. There's no need to chase her down and taze her. Society has taught cops that anyone who commits crime is subhuman and that it doesn't matter how you treat them because they aren't a person and that is wrong.

It's just wrong. The people supporting this ac creep who did this to defenseless woman are worse then the man himself. A woman is braindead because he was to fat and lazy to chase her down. Absolutely disgusting act on the part of the police once again and an even more disgusting act on those who support this morally bankrupt and corrupt officer.

reply to post by staticfl

Oh and to all those posted that have something to say about a cops weight, try working a few months on their shift work and see if you can eat right and maintain a consistent work out regiment.

I do and I have lost over 30lbs in the last year. I carry my own food, workout five days a week, and pull 12 - 16 hour shifts. Most of the officers I work with bike, run, or work out on a consistent basis and can still pass the POPAT.

I get tired of hearing officers fail to take responsibility for their own bad health and inability to keep up on the job.

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by imalitehaus

 

Well there's this mentality that the cop's out to get you, which is why you lie, or try to run or whatever. Just tell them everything, don't run, and they usually just leave you alone. Sorry but the only one at fault here is the woman. If I was taken innocently so be it, I don't mind wasting a few hours so they can clear it up, no biggie, you take off on a run you risk everything. This was the luck of the draw, he could have tackled her and she could have cracked her skull, she could have tripped and cracked her skull, she could have run into traffic and cracked her skull, would all of that be the cops fault too?

And you must know by now that I completely disagree with you. That little girl wasn't responsible to the extent that you pro-cop guys are making her. Hell, I don't think she deserved it at all, running or not. He could have caught her in a fair, humane manner. This was a cop who really screwed up, in a big way. No, I do not believe she would have run into traffic, but we'll never know.

I personally never, ever think a cop is out to get me. But, if I saw one who looked crazy, I'd think again. Try, if you can, to think outside of this "Us vs. Them" mentality. It's proving to be awful for everyone. I don't think in that way, myself. That's probably one of the reasons I'm not afraid.

Originally posted by usmc0311
This is just Horrible.

So what do you think? Was this an abuse of police power?

The Florida Highway Patrol have cleared 267-pound Trooper Daniel Cole of wrongdoing and have released a disturbing dash cam video that captured him tasing a 100 pound, 20 year old handcuffed girl in the back as she fled.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement determined Trooper Daniel Cole's "use of force" was justified when he tased the woman last September at the FHP Pinellas Park Substation and cleared him of wrongdoing.

The fleeing woman, Danielle Maudsley, 20, suffered severe brain damage after hitting her head on the concrete and has been in a persistent vegetative state ever since.

slumz.boxden.com...

edit on 21/2/12 by usmc0311 because: Title Change.

edit on 21/2/12 by usmc0311 because: added link

The link you choose appears to embellish the reasons for the woman's arrest. The professional journalists at the local news: (WTSP) noted that the only relevant charge was; "a misdemeanor charge of fleeing the scene of an accident".
www.wtsp.com...

"Taser deaths" on google reports 515 deaths so the officer used his weapon knowing that there is a chance that this 100 lb woman, that may have simply panicked after a fender bender and took off, would die.

Given the previous "don't tase me bro' " incident where a citizen is electrically tortured by police officers for heckling a politicans speech, I believe these weapons should be taken away from those paid to "serve and protect" us. An officer who was in proper physical condition to do the job he is paid for would have been easily able to outpace the woman and grab her arm or clothing in order to stop her. If not, she should have been left to run with the officer using the radio rather than the taser so that she would at least be around to see her day in court, serve her time or pay her fine then get on with her life.

Originally posted by CaptainNemo
He could have caught her on foot.
Fat sloppy lazy SOB was to lazy.
Now he has a braindead girl on his conscientouss

Firstly, it's "conscience",
and secondly, the fat pig doesn't have one.

It's not like he didn't know her name and address. How far could she have gotten? The casual use of tasers like this has got to stop. He was not justified and she did not deserve it, regardless of how the department is defending its moron of an officer. It was far excessive force for the situation. No one was in danger from this handcuffed 100 lb. girl.

Fat piece of crap cop.

Last point: CIVIL ACTION. I bet a jury would side with my opinions.

reply to post by Reptius


I guess the cops should have just let her escape... Why chase a person in handcuffs???

From now on when handcuffed JUST RUN, if you havent committed a murder or rape... Its a great idea people, the Cops will be told to leave you alone beacuse you arent the real criminals out there.....

Man... Some of you people on here make me sick.... She broke the law, she was handcuffed, she decided to flee, she got what she deserved...Case Closed....