Christianity as Psychological Warfare

Originally posted by SimontheMagus
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple." - Luke 14:26 NIV

Ever read "Faust" by Goethe? It's really about Simon the Magus, the greatest man (and second-most slandered, after Judas) who ever lived:

Hmmm, can't say i've noticed that one before. But it makes sense.

Jesus is a 100% God. 100% of Him, and 100% of you. Of course if you want to hide behind relatives you'd be welcome to, but you are saved by your own testimony, not that of your fathers, or anyone else.

Only pantheists believe in less than 100%, heck you could give each 10% and they'd be happy. Not my kinda gods thanks. They're just easy, like temple whores. Curious how pantheists HATE the Living Lord God, and His jealousy.

Wow at your link. Yeah i read Faust. SO you're an illuminist hey? Glorify the dragon, be busy on the great work, and so on? And your heroes are Simon Magus - the rejected, and Judas - the coward. Tell us more, next you'll tell us the poep is actually a nice guy? EDIT: don't lie, we know Simon Magus created the holy roman catholic church (it certainly wasn't Peter). Really must have been a great guy!

I appreciate the way you guys have kept the history going, if not for your hysterics throughout history it would have been easy to forget. And your site is wrong, it's Yehoshua ben Yahveh, you should get them to fix that.

Originally posted by harryhaller

Originally posted by SimontheMagus
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple." - Luke 14:26 NIV

Ever read "Faust" by Goethe? It's really about Simon the Magus, the greatest man (and second-most slandered, after Judas) who ever lived:

Hmmm, can't say i've noticed that one before. But it makes sense.

Only a Bible apologist can make "sense" out of that. Whenever it says something that isn't quite right, just make it say something else!

Originally posted by harryhaller

Jesus is a 100% God. 100% of Him, and 100% of you. Of course if you want to hide behind relatives you'd be welcome to, but you are saved by your own testimony, not that of your fathers, or anyone else.

Only pantheists believe in less than 100%, heck you could give each 10% and they'd be happy. Not my kinda gods thanks. They're just easy, like temple whores. Curious how pantheists HATE the Living Lord God, and His jealousy.

Nick Rockefeller bragged to Aaron Russo that one day the world would wake up and find out that they were lied to about EVERYTHING. It appears that you, like most truth seekers, have been caught, hook line and sinker, by the disinfo. I think you should study a little metaphysical science. The idea of a personal God is an utter fallacy and a scientific and philosophical impossibility. The Founding Fathers of the US certainly knew this. That's why they were Deists. They were also Freemasons, who were Illuminists that fomented the American Revolution. The Freemasons were then subsequently infiltrated and corrupted by the Khazarian Satanists who have descended from the Dark Cabal aka "Babylon the Great", humanity's hidden nemesis for the last 13,000 years.

Mankind cannot evolve to the next level of its development until this ancient wrong has been corrected and Simon Magus assumes his rightful place, or a new religion is established that promotes similar values. "Faust" by Goethe puts the central idea of Gnosticism into microcosm: that people have sold their souls to the power of the Demiurge "Yahweh", the God of this Dark world, and they then have to undertake the monumental task of finding the mystical knowledge that will lead them back to the realm of light. The world is in dire need of a message that awakens the human spirit and avoids the Satanic dogmas of the world's mainstream religions. These religions were invented to control people, instead of liberating their minds and souls.

A true religion that suits the needs of humanity must be one that grows and evolves with it, instead of Bronze-Age myths cast in stone in the Middle Eastern desert, about Yahweh, a local tribal desert god of the Canaanites:

DEUTERONOMY 32:8 AND THE SONS OF GOD

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- armageddonconspiracy.co.uk...

"Nothing is more important than the creation of a non-dogmatic religion that suits the times and, above all, helps each person to find their spiritual self in a way tailored to their own individuality. Each soul is unique. We each have to find it in our own way: not by being lectured by someone in a pulpit demanding that we do such and such or we're going to hell. Those preachers are psychotic. Simon Magus's religion - Illumination - was a religion designed for those who wanted to find God in their own way, but even Illumination was a product of its time and used a vocabulary alien to modern ears. This website strives to convert the ancient teachings of Simon Magus into words with which the people of today can readily identify. It would be no contradiction of Simon Magus's teachings for an entirely new religion to evolve, provided that it emphasised the profound mystery of religion and the personal nature of the search for the divine. The Holy Grail can be attained by anyone, but never via dogmatism and the ancient, dead texts of false prophets. Goethe's Faust rejected all such teachings, Simon Magus did too, and so should we all."

Yes, great article. Jesus could walk on water and heal the sick but not release himself from prison and even questions his entire faith right before his death.

Philosophically, if nonviolence was the solution to violence then that would be one thing, but the christian belief has not ended violence, so the world is still full of sin. Obviously that does not work.

Originally posted by SimontheMagus
Only a Bible apologist can make "sense" out of that.

Name calling is childish.

Nick Rockefeller bragged to Aaron Russo that one day the world would wake up and find out that they were lied to about EVERYTHING.

For sure, the world is stupid enough to be deceived into Nimrod worship, he's got the goods hey?

A true religion that suits the needs of humanity must be one that grows and evolves with it, instead of Bronze-Age myths cast in stone in the Middle Eastern desert, about Yahweh, a local tribal desert god of the Canaanites:

You speak to me of babylon and trash bronze age myths? That's rich.

Simon Magus's religion - Illumination - was a religion designed for those who wanted to find God in their own way, but even Illumination was a product of its time and used a vocabulary alien to modern ears.

All readers should take note of the above line, to understand the roots of TPTB. Although to be fair, Simon was only perpetuating his own education, which was occult, and opposed to the Creator. They acknowledge the existence of Jesus Christ, since they have to historically, but it is their opposition to Jesus and the teachings of Jesus, including the worship of Jahweh, that has formed the basis of their actions ever since. Their goal is the re-enactment of the tower of babel, under a single world wide ruler. They will enact laws of sunday worship (which is pagan, not biblical), and ban any other day as a holy day. That's silly isn't it? But there it is, despite their vicious hatred of the Creator, who placed laws over us. So instead of the Creators laws they'll place their laws over us, with the required death against dissenters, same as they've always done. Murderers of millions, hiding behind their skirts and fish hats.

But they tell us we are god, and we are the universe, and we must all be the same, with no-one but ourselves for salvation (they use that word too) since we all inherently know that man alone is not enough. Deception, lies, half truths, they've been practicing for 5000 years.

The Holy Grail can be attained by anyone, but never via dogmatism and the ancient, dead texts of false prophets.

Oh yeah, i got a roomful of grails i don't know what to do with. It's the living water i'm after, the tree of life. Sans dogmatism thanks. But you gnostics know all about dogmatism, you'r quite good at it, that's why i'm not a fan.

They'd be false prophets if their prophecies had failed, but they didn't did they? Jesus Christ arrived on time, and won. Of course you guys are still in denial about that, the dragon has made all sorts of promises. Pity people never learn.

Originally posted by harryhaller

Originally posted by SimontheMagus
Only a Bible apologist can make "sense" out of that.

Name calling is childish.

"Bible apologist" is name calling?

Originally posted by harryhaller

Simon was only perpetuating his own education, which was occult, and opposed to the Creator.

"Occult" means nothing more than "hidden", just like your Creator is hidden, until you choose to look within. Let me know when he pops his head in out of sky and intervenes in human affairs, ok?

Originally posted by andreoutlaw

It really is a horrible thing, this whole situation of spreading the "faith" across the whole planet, exterminating cultures and societies and sucking them into the slave system of economics.

Brother have you not heard the good word?

Luke 12:51
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
All three main major religions worship the same deity.

Not true. Muslims worship Allah. Christians worship Jesus as God incarnate, as well as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. These are not even remotely the same. Not even close.

No. You're wrong on all accounts. All three main major religions warship a central supreme deity that can be traced back to Jewish teachings worshiping such deity referred to as Yahweh.

Jesus being the Supreme deity is a uniquely South Eastern American fundamentalist idea of Protestant denominations that spun off from the Church of England. A church that after being separated from the Holy Roman Catholic Church went back to human god beliefs based in druidism not Judaism. A presto magic Merlin the magician type of deity belief. They believe the Earth is 11,000 years old and the Bible is all literal, and does not contain any metaphors nor allegorical stories teaching morals. You can call them Christian if you like, but considering Christians as a world wide belief system South Eastern American fundamentalist are a very small minority sect of a much larger religion.

I was raised Lutheran. Lutherans believe in the Trinity. That is Jesus's spirit is part of Yahweh's, which together is the Holy Spirit, sitting at the right hand of Yahweh not a separate deity which has taken Yahweh's thrown. The "Jesus is Yahweh" concept is based in British Islands paganism that King Henry the 8th wanted to resurrect, and did to a certain extent. "Jesus is God" "My God is a carpenter" bumper stickers attest to King Henry's efforts still existing in the minds of South Eastern American fundamentalist to this very day, but please understand they are a minority of Christianity. They believe Wall Street and K Street are manifestations of the Holy Spirit, uh "Jesus," after all in their "ridding the back of the beast."

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I mean "riding." bump.

Rockefeller was correct:

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Ishtar or Easter, also known by her biblical name Semiramis was the widow of Nimrod. She was called the "Queen of heaven" and claimed to have been impregnated by Nimrod through the rays of the sun and later had a son by the name of Tammuz who had a miraculous birth on December 25th. Pagans believed that Nimrod was reincarnated as Tammuz and so Easter married her son Tammuz. Pagan sun-worshippers celebrated the birthday of the reincarnate sun-god on December 25th. Scripture is very clear that we are not to celebrate this particular holiday.


Early believers kept Saturday as the Sabbath until March 7, 321 CE when Pope Constantine passed a law requiring believers to worship on Sunday, the day the pagans worshipped the sun-god. Believers still kept Saturday as the Sabbath until another law was passed eleven years later. This law signed into decree by Pope Constantine forbid believers to worship on the Sabbath (Saturday) and it was punishable by death by the Catholic Church. Many believers were burned to death by the Catholic Church for keeping the Sabbath.


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The Eye of Hours is sometimes referred to as the wedjat, and represents Hours, the Egyptian falcon-headed god. The Eye was used as a symbol of both protection and healing. When appearing as the udjat, it represents the right eye of Ra, the sun god. The same image in reverse represents the left eye of Thoth, the god of magic and wisdom.


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Where did the cross come from, then? J.C. Cooper, An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols, p. 45, aptly summarises it, "Cross - A universal symbol from the most remote times; it is the cosmic symbol par excellence." Other authorities also call it a sun-symbol, a Babylonian sun-symbol, an astrological Babylonian-Assyrian and heathen run-symbol, also in the form of an encircled cross referred to as a "solar wheel", and many other varieties of crosses. Also, "the cross represents the Tree of Life", the age-old fertility symbol, combining the vertical male and horizontal female principles, especially in Egypt, either as an ordinary cross, or better known in the form of the crux ansata, the Egyptian ankh (sometimes called the Tau cross), which had been carried over into our modern-day symbol of the female, well known in biology.

As stated above, the indisputable sign of Tammuz, the mystic Tau of the Babylonians and Egyptians, was brought into the Church chiefly because of Constantine, and has since been adored with all the homage due only to the Most High.

The Protestants have for many years refrained from undue adoration of, or homage to the cross, especially in England at the time of the Puritans in the 16th - 17th centuries. But lately this un-Scriptural symbol has been increasingly accepted in Protestantism.

We have previously discussed "the weeping for Tammuz", and the similarity between the Easter resurrection and the return or rising of Tammuz. Tammuz was the young incarnate Sun, the Sun-divinity incarnate. This same Sun-deity, known amongst the Babylonians as Tammuz, was identified with the Greek Adonis and with the Phoenician Adoni,96 all of them Sun-deities, being slain in winter, then being "wept for", and their return being celebrated by a festivity in spring, while some had it in summer - according to the myths of pagan idolatry.

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Just because there are commonalities within life universal themes does not necessarily mean there are any direct connections or influences between cultures and their belief systems.

As the old Wendy's commercial asks, "Where's the Beef?"


You don't have any, just theories.

Pyramid construction was reinvented a number of times throughout history for example, but there are no connections found between the civilizations and cultures who have constructed them. Still there are people who insist on a connection somewhere some how between all cultures that have constructed pyramids.

What you have stated sounds good, but there is no evidence of any proof positive connections.

Same with spears and bows and arrows.

You don't have any, just theories

Yeah, a specific action of a specific person on a specific year is "just a theory", while we're supposed to believe boatloads of religious platitudes just on "faith". Any you wonder why people think religious people are dumb?

Originally posted by CB328

You don't have any, just theories

Yeah, a specific action of a specific person on a specific year is "just a theory", while we're supposed to believe boatloads of religious platitudes just on "faith". Any you wonder why people think religious people are dumb?

A specific action of a specific person on a specific year proof fact where's the evidence?

I believe someone is mixing theology with science.

Oh pseudo science dabblers will mix it, and so will self proclaimed theologians.

Originally posted by taccj9903

Originally posted by Wonders
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I disagree. I am what is called "Native American", meaning Alaska didn't become a state until my dad was a small child..which..in the scheme of things, isn't very long ago. The way "our people" got assimilated into the American culture is by "missionaries" coming and taking my GRANDMOTHER away from her parents, into a boarding school where she was corporally punished just for speaking in a language other than English. Of course that isn't the full extent of indoctrination but it's a start, a testimony of the convoluted ways of the pharisees and saduccees of this age. For the record, my parents were also corporally punished for speaking in our "Native" tongue. I myself have not bothered to learn the ways of those who willingly gave up their heritage, those who have not bothered to teach me to communicate in their language, in my opinion, their way has already been dead these many years as I am grateful to be able to communicate with today's people, to learn what I can about the past, present and future.

I'm sorry that your grandmother was treated that way. Please do not misunderstand what I was trying to convey. I only have met missionaries in my day and I wasn't trying to defend the bad actions of them all. I was merely stating that from what I have witnessed they aren't all bad people with an agenda. There are good Christians just like there are just as many that are hypocrites and call themselves Christians. Just a side note my wife is a Native American and she is a Christian, and believe me, I am subjected to all the preaching and could definitely do without that religion.

Thank you for your response, I appreciate it. I know that not all affiliated scatter people away from obedience to God. I'd like to point out that just because a person claims to believe certain things, it doesn't mean that they actually do believe them, nowhere have I noticed that more profoundly than with the Christians. Such is akin to saying that America is the best country in the world.

Originally posted by SimontheMagus

"Bible apologist" is name calling?

"Occult" means nothing more than "hidden", just like your Creator is hidden, until you choose to look within. Let me know when he pops his head in out of sky and intervenes in human affairs, ok?

Apologist ... i am an apologist for no one or nothing.

My interest and belief in the Living Word is a personal matter, do you insult me for my beliefs?

Yeah yeah, occult is what's been hidden so long ... the secret that Simon took to the Roman church. Sun worship, with all it's silliness and trappings. And you think it is me who is to be disappointed?

Nope, my Creator is inside me, told you, it's a 100% thing.

PS, maybe you guys should try stay out of human affairs, made an ugly mess of it so far.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by taccj9903

 

If "saving" someone means forcing them against their will to accept Jesus, I would rather have no part of that. People have tried to do this to me countless times. Jehovah's Witnesses have harassed me countless times.

I am convinced that Christianity and all other forms of religion are all mind control devices.

They placate entire populations.

They allow for the destruction of cultures and disruption of peace between peoples.

They extract resources like a giant vacuum, sucking up anything in sight because they believe that man was given dominion over the Earth by God.

I could go on and on.

Religions, especially Christianity, deserve plenty of scrutiny.Catholic, Christian or Protestant, that isn't the point.

The alleged dogmatic differences between the various sects of the cult are all simply aesthetic, yet it is incredibly important to protestants to make a distinction, which results in them continually bringing up issues which don't matter to anyone who isn't a protestant, such as that they only pray to one idol.

In reality, the difference is one of a much more practical nature: Catholicism has a collectivist bend, while protestantism is geared toward individuality - these systems serve different economic and social models. You can see this very clearly here in the Philippines, where the peasant class is all Catholic (or Muslim) and the upper class generally begins to get involved with the various New Agey "born again" type cults, as the wealth separates them from the collective ideals of their former sect.

All of these different attempts to intellectualize all of this are completely ridiculous, given that the way they developed historically presents a glaringly obvious picture of the actual forces behind the splintering of the original cult. Just look at the Church of England - the king wanted a divorce, so he made his own church, and these people will intellectualize that.

It's all nonsense. Spirituality is a way for man to understand his position in the universe, and thus organized religion is a way for institutions of power to shape man's perception of himself within the universe. All this other talk about the meaning of this or that is just a lot of meaningless bibble-babble.

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
All three main major religions worship the same deity.

Not true. Muslims worship Allah. Christians worship Jesus as God incarnate, as well as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. These are not even remotely the same. Not even close.

No. You're wrong on all accounts. All three main major religions warship a central supreme deity that can be traced back to Jewish teachings worshiping such deity referred to as Yahweh.

Jesus being the Supreme deity is a uniquely South Eastern American fundamentalist idea of Protestant denominations that spun off from the Church of England. A church that after being separated from the Holy Roman Catholic Church went back to human god beliefs based in druidism not Judaism. A presto magic Merlin the magician type of deity belief. They believe the Earth is 11,000 years old and the Bible is all literal, and does not contain any metaphors nor allegorical stories teaching morals. You can call them Christian if you like, but considering Christians as a world wide belief system South Eastern American fundamentalist are a very small minority sect of a much larger religion.

I was raised Lutheran. Lutherans believe in the Trinity. That is Jesus's spirit is part of Yahweh's, which together is the Holy Spirit, sitting at the right hand of Yahweh not a separate deity which has taken Yahweh's thrown. The "Jesus is Yahweh" concept is based in British Islands paganism that King Henry the 8th wanted to resurrect, and did to a certain extent. "Jesus is God" "My God is a carpenter" bumper stickers attest to King Henry's efforts still existing in the minds of South Eastern American fundamentalist to this very day, but please understand they are a minority of Christianity. They believe Wall Street and K Street are manifestations of the Holy Spirit, uh "Jesus," after all in their "ridding the back of the beast."

If more than one religion is saying "there is only one god who controls all things" than they are necessarily believing in the same god, no matter how they describe it. But the word in Aramaic, Jesus' language, was the same word as appears as "Allah" in Arabic, so they are in fact the exact same thing, just like the Muslims claim - it is a bit ridiculous the way Christians so often like to play this word game. It is like saying "Mexicans don't worship God, they worship Dios". It's stupid.

Anyway, I don't know what any of this stuff you are talking about "South Eastern America" means, at all. All these people have always worshiped Jesus as a deity equivalent to the creator-god, at least as far back as the establishment of the Roman Church - the earlier Christians probably generally didn't, though some did - the model had to be made to fit the Roman pagan concept of "we worship this picture of a guy", which was the reasoning Mohammed gave for not producing images of god.

What do you even mean when you say "South Eastern America"? Are you talking about Brazil? And what doctrine are you referring to? Or you are just trolling these Christians?

Very True:

"Nick Rockefeller bragged to Aaron Russo that one day the world would wake up and find out that they were lied to about EVERYTHING."

More News on what could be a St Barabas associted writing, which starts to put down the bad associations with Tammuz corruption of the Christ message from the times of Jesus.

Constantine caused a huge amount of problems due to merging Jesus story with Sun Worship and Babylon corrupted religion, and then the Jewish factors of the Babylon Talmud collusion with the Evils of Satanic Babylon do even worse problems for today.


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Secret £14million Bible in which 'Jesus predicts coming of Prophet Muhammad' unearthed in TurkeyVatican 'wants to see' 1,500-year-old ancient script
Has been hidden by Turkish state for 12 years
Handwritten in gold-lettered Aramaic


A secret Bible in which Jesus is believed to predict the coming of the Prophet Muhammad to Earth has sparked serious interest from the Vatican.
Pope Benedict XVI is claimed to want to see the 1,500-year-old book, which many say is the Gospel of Barnabas, that has been hidden by the Turkish state for the last 12 years.
The £14million handwritten gold lettered tome, penned in Jesus' native Aramaic language, is said to contain his early teachings and a prediction of the Prophet's coming.

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Turkish culture and tourism minister Ertugrul Gunay said the book could be an authentic version of the Gospel, which was suppressed by the Christian Church for its strong parallels with the Islamic view of Jesus.
He also said the Vatican had made an official request to see the scripture - a controversial text which Muslims claim is an addition to the original gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John.
In line with Islamic belief, the Gospel treats Jesus as a human being and not a God.

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It rejects the ideas of the Holy Trinity and the Crucifixion and reveals that Jesus predicted the coming of the Prophet Muhammad.
In one version of the gospel, he is said to have told a priest: 'How shall the Messiah be called? Muhammad is his blessed name'

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It will become more interesting to see the carbon date for this work, and have it from three sources well outside any Vatican associations.

Originally posted by andreoutlaw

Originally posted by Wonders
reply to post by taccj9903

 

I disagree. I am what is called "Native American", meaning Alaska didn't become a state until my dad was a small child..which..in the scheme of things, isn't very long ago. The way "our people" got assimilated into the American culture is by "missionaries" coming and taking my GRANDMOTHER away from her parents, into a boarding school where she was corporally punished just for speaking in a language other than English. Of course that isn't the full extent of indoctrination but it's a start, a testimony of the convoluted ways of the pharisees and saduccees of this age. For the record, my parents were also corporally punished for speaking in our "Native" tongue. I myself have not bothered to learn the ways of those who willingly gave up their heritage, those who have not bothered to teach me to communicate in their language, in my opinion, their way has already been dead these many years as I am grateful to be able to communicate with today's people, to learn what I can about the past, present and future.

Yes, this is what they did to literally everyone in the world. They were very insistent on getting a hold of the Children. It is what they are still doing in the Philippines. They tell the parents not to bother, that they are interested in their children, because they "have things to teach them" in their brainwashing centers (schools).

I am sorry your people lost their heritage, but this is something that has happened to literally all of us, save the few "primitive" people that still exist on the planet. It seems as though you are somewhat upset with your ancestors, which I guess I can understand, but this is a technique that these Christians use which they have worked out over such a long period of time that it is now scientific, in that it will work on the majority of the people all the time. I would hope that you, being able to see what has happened, would have a desire to get back what your people had stolen from them by this Christian system of dominance. It isn't their fault, and it is only now that we have the capacity to see all of this for what it is, and make the decision to stand against it.

I would like to help any way I can.

Hey, thanks. I do have some negative feelings about my heritage. Believe me, there is a better way to live than this "take back what they stole" lifestyle I see here. When I was in highschool, as a requirement to graduate, we were taught up to 100 Yupik words with absolutely no knowledge of how to string sentences together, it was during that time that I was taking a free English 101 class. This system of dominance, is about Christianity being a tool for "the elite", it's the preferred method of changing a society to a "less primative" more controlled state. Christianity today teaches parts of the bible whilst ignoring and being ashamed of other parts. I've seen people go to church for years without any heart change for the better, that tells me that this doctrine of accusing the bretheren "There is none righteous" bull crap, is just about coping with the destruction it inflicts. When I was a kid my classmates used to tell me that I was going to hell because I wasn't a Catholic, not once did I believe them, they were mean and racist as children (I am the same race as them). I didn't know that it happened everywhere but it doesn't surprise me, the government is obviously in cahoots.

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This is the great deceipt. It sounds like it will be the cornerstone of the new one world religion.

Equating Jesus with Tammuz ... that's a bad idea. Tammuz was everything that Jesus was against.