Christianity as Psychological Warfare

Originally posted by baalbusterI was, spent the first 19 years of my life as one and it caused me to be constantly plagued with self doubt and fear, not to say I didn't have positive experiences but the majority of my feelings from that time were decidedly negative.

If it works for some people then hey thats great and I commend them for it, but they don't need to come "save" me...last time that happened I just kept asking them "why?" and "how?" and their attempts stopped shortly thereafter.

I'm content with the fact that the greater reality is a mystery to me as a mortal but the "I" or "ME" doesn't have to be...instead of worrying about some omnipresent/omniscient deity condemning my actions and thoughts on a daily basis I've decided to know myself better, from the psyche to without, and I think its made me a better person because of it.

Nice post.

I want to say again that I am not an "atheist", I simply see that the Christian doctrine is a way of manipulating and subverting the most sacred part of man to the ends of empire.

Seriously, this doctrine of sin and judgement is just stupid. Why would a people who didn't have that need it? People who they try to teach it to are just confused by it, so they have to threaten the children with hell in order to make it stick, because to adults it just seems stupid. What kind of a program seduces children in order to fill their minds with fear and self-doubt? What word can you use, other than "evil"?

Originally posted by andreoutlaw

Originally posted by baalbusterI was, spent the first 19 years of my life as one and it caused me to be constantly plagued with self doubt and fear, not to say I didn't have positive experiences but the majority of my feelings from that time were decidedly negative.

If it works for some people then hey thats great and I commend them for it, but they don't need to come "save" me...last time that happened I just kept asking them "why?" and "how?" and their attempts stopped shortly thereafter.

I'm content with the fact that the greater reality is a mystery to me as a mortal but the "I" or "ME" doesn't have to be...instead of worrying about some omnipresent/omniscient deity condemning my actions and thoughts on a daily basis I've decided to know myself better, from the psyche to without, and I think its made me a better person because of it.

Nice post.

I want to say again that I am not an "atheist", I simply see that the Christian doctrine is a way of manipulating and subverting the most sacred part of man to the ends of empire.

Seriously, this doctrine of sin and judgement is just stupid. Why would a people who didn't have that need it? People who they try to teach it to are just confused by it, so they have to threaten the children with hell in order to make it stick, because to adults it just seems stupid. What kind of a program seduces children in order to fill their minds with fear and self-doubt? What word can you use, other than "evil"?

In America we have Santa Claus to get the children use to the idea of some higher entity judging their actions.

"He knows when you're sleeping, He knows when you're awake, He knows if you've been bad or good so you better be good for goodness sake!"

Children getting threatened with a lump of coal in their stocking turns into threats of eternal damnation from the "other" big guy with the big white beard.

Yeah, Jesus and Santa Claus are pretty much the exact same thing. Just ridiculous gibberish designed to manipulate people through the psychological mechanism of symbolic thought.

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
reply to post by taccj9903

 

Save people how? By entirely collapsing their societies, in the name of some insane concept of man being created by an allegedly benevolent deity as a sinner who needs a blood sacrifice in order to redeem them? I have personally witnessed societies destroyed by missionaries. You simply cannot uproot the fabric of a society without collapsing it completely. They destroy cultures, that is their purpose.
I am of course not so naive to believe that the actual men on the ground have such an agenda, as they clearly believe, at least most of them do, that they are there to somehow "save" the people. This is because they are brainwashed. Those that send them don't have the plan to destroy their societies either, simply to extract cash from them.
Christianity is the door to the economic system, and to slavery to the state. It is just exactly that, which is why the empires, who could have used any type of brainwashing, specifically designed the Christian doctrine for this explicit purpose.

This is the problem with your research - bias.
You already believe 1) missionaries are "brainwashed" and 2) that man is not inherently sinful in God's eyes.

With those two personal beliefs, all of your conclusions are therefore biased. It brings nothing new or unbiased for people to consider. For instance, you state above "Christianity is the door to the economic system, and to slavery to the state". If any one of us, believer or not, took out a world map and circled the countries who had a large percentage of Christians at it's core, then compared those countries to every other nation in the world, nobody could deny the obvious differences. It is also our nations who, hands down, are the nations who donate and provide relief in times of catastrophes.

Whether you know or care, the Israel of God were to be a light and blessing to the rest of the world. Has it always happened - heck no. Why not? Because just as every other organisation in this world, MEN, greedy and seeking power, seek to pervert for their own gain. Those men do not have Christ residing within their hearts. It's as simple as that. The vast majority of church leaders today do not know God and therefore preach another Christ Jesus.

If you'd stop and think the powers running this world despise Christ Jesus, perhaps you'd realise who exactly does the brainwashing and indoctrination. Humor me, read roadsassy.com...
Those who invented it run the show for not much longer.

Originally posted by WhoKnows100

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
reply to post by taccj9903

 

Save people how? By entirely collapsing their societies, in the name of some insane concept of man being created by an allegedly benevolent deity as a sinner who needs a blood sacrifice in order to redeem them? I have personally witnessed societies destroyed by missionaries. You simply cannot uproot the fabric of a society without collapsing it completely. They destroy cultures, that is their purpose.
I am of course not so naive to believe that the actual men on the ground have such an agenda, as they clearly believe, at least most of them do, that they are there to somehow "save" the people. This is because they are brainwashed. Those that send them don't have the plan to destroy their societies either, simply to extract cash from them.
Christianity is the door to the economic system, and to slavery to the state. It is just exactly that, which is why the empires, who could have used any type of brainwashing, specifically designed the Christian doctrine for this explicit purpose.

This is the problem with your research - bias.
You already believe 1) missionaries are "brainwashed" and 2) that man is not inherently sinful in God's eyes.

With those two personal beliefs, all of your conclusions are therefore biased. It brings nothing new or unbiased for people to consider. For instance, you state above "Christianity is the door to the economic system, and to slavery to the state". If any one of us, believer or not, took out a world map and circled the countries who had a large percentage of Christians at it's core, then compared those countries to every other nation in the world, nobody could deny the obvious differences. It is also our nations who, hands down, are the nations who donate and provide relief in times of catastrophes.

Whether you know or care, the Israel of God were to be a light and blessing to the rest of the world. Has it always happened - heck no. Why not? Because just as every other organisation in this world, MEN, greedy and seeking power, seek to pervert for their own gain. Those men do not have Christ residing within their hearts. It's as simple as that. The vast majority of church leaders today do not know God and therefore preach another Christ Jesus.

If you'd stop and think the powers running this world despise Christ Jesus, perhaps you'd realise who exactly does the brainwashing and indoctrination. Humor me, read roadsassy.com...
Those who invented it run the show for not much longer.

I'm not fond of online debates about "is Christianity real???", but I can respond to some of your points.

It is clearly brainwashing, objectively, as no one could argue the vigor with which missionaries seek out the children, rather than the adults, knowing that adults who have had good lives and been at peace with themselves and nature have no interest in this dogma, and that the only ones sisiptable to the kind of trauma-based indoctrination that Christians employ are children (also, people at extremely weak points in their adult life, such as those addicted to drugs or locked in prison).

No one ever came up with this concept of "man as born guilty" save the Semites. It was picked up by the Romans as a doctrine of slavery, and used as such. What chance could there possibly be that, "yeah, the empires of the world used this weird doctrine to abuse and manipulate whole populations into submission, but coincidentally, it is also all true"? Does it not seem more likely, if you take a step back, that you yourself were simply abused psychologically and spiritually by these same forces of control?

But yes, I suppose your point actually is that if I believed everything about the Christian doctrine unquestioningly, I wouldn't be able to evaluate it objectively. This is certainly true.

As far as all that other stuff, if men had societies which functioned, all over the world, and Christianity went all over the world brought them a society that doesn't function at all, how can you spin that as some good occurrence? How can the social effects of a doctrine not be considered when examining its objective validity?

See, this just gets stupid. There is nothing I can say, because your argument is just "it is all real because I believe it is real". There can't be objective, intellectual discussion of the sociological and psychological effects of believing like this sort of thing. Obviously, the effects of Christianity have been overwhelmingly negative, throughout the entire planet. Everywhere it has gone, it has destroyed cultures and human beings. But your argument is that it is all worth it because of this nonsensical concept of "man is born a sinner, so someone has to be brutally murdered in order to make his sins go away"?

Oh, and as far as the west "helping poor nations", give me a break. I am so sick of hearing that disgusting lie. Show me where they ever helped a single person. I live in the third world, and I have seen disasters, and I have seen the UN film scenes where they are handing out food, in front of a camera, and then "run out" of food as soon as the cameras are off. The Philippine news even reports that they do that. But it doesn't matter, because it isn't shown on CNN.

Your great nations have done nothing but exploit people, all over the world. The "poor" wouldn't even exist if the economic system had never been introduced here through Christianity. This whole system is brought in to destroy people and suck whatever they can from them in the process, period.

This feel good nonsense about "America helps the idiot 'n-word's of the world" make me sick. You should be ashamed thinking like that. Go to the third world, and look how much the NGOs and missionaries have helped people.

To also comment on the Christian nations sending the most aid, this is just the latest trend....go back a millennium and the norm was the Crusades.

Originally posted by baalbuster
To also comment on the Christian nations sending the most aid, this is just the latest trend....go back a millennium and the norm was the Crusades.

But it is all just nonsense. The big trend among missionaries here is to give 10 cent plastic flip-flops to tribal people who lived for tens of thousands of years without 10 cent plastic flip-flops. What is the purpose of that? What end does it serve, other than to make these people feel like they are their friends so that they can indoctrinate their children?

The whole thing is a complete sham, and all of these charities do the same thing that should be obvious to anyone: they make a whole lot of money.

reply to post by andreoutlaw


I'm sorry you believe the lies you've been told.

Clearly you are very confused and very angry. Except in your rage you don't even know who the enemy is.

Originally posted by harryhaller
I'd like you to please recognise the difference between followers of the Bible and Jesus, and the Roman Catholic church..

I'd like you to plrease recognize that Roman Catholics ARE Christians .. that the Roman Catholic Church wrote the bible ... and that Catholics follow Jesus just like Protestants do, some are even better Christians than their Protestant brethren. Did you get your anti-Catholic education via Jack Chick??

Originally posted by harryhaller
reply to post by andreoutlaw

 

I'm sorry you believe the lies you've been told.

Clearly you are very confused and very angry. Except in your rage you don't even know who the enemy is.

I am a little bit angry. I am presently witnessing multiple cultures being destroyed at the hands of this sick cult. I think, as such, I have a right to be angry.

As far as "I'm sorry you believe the lies you've been told", I'm not sure how to respond to that. I didn't really have much feeling toward Christianity either way before seeing all of this first hand, so I guess you should say "I'm sorry that you have been exposed to reality". And I'm a little sorry for that too, I guess. It hurts somewhere deep down to see something so evil happening to people so good. It is heartbreaking, the whole matter.

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
Oh, and as far as the west "helping poor nations", give me a break. I am so sick of hearing that disgusting lie. Show me where they ever helped a single person. I live in the third world, and I have seen disasters, and I have seen the UN film scenes where they are handing out food, in front of a camera, and then "run out" of food as soon as the cameras are off. The Philippine news even reports that they do that. But it doesn't matter, because it isn't shown on CNN.

Your great nations have done nothing but exploit people, all over the world. The "poor" wouldn't even exist if the economic system had never been introduced here through Christianity. This whole system is brought in to destroy people and suck whatever they can from them in the process, period.

This feel good nonsense about "America helps the idiot 'n-word's of the world" make me sick. You should be ashamed thinking like that. Go to the third world, and look how much the NGOs and missionaries have helped people.

And I said none of the above, that is your bias coming through. And in fact, I tried my best in being objective - to the point of freely admitting that most churches do not preach the word of God and have succumbed to the same wicked hunger for greed and power that is within the "elite". But because you cannot see that, and instead want to bash Christianity as the SOLE evil force on the planet, then I will speak up.

Go to the common denominator - evil. It exists and it's rising faster than you can blink. Put your focus on it - wherever it exists. Whether that is a supposed man of God or any other organisation. It is your prerogative to remain in blissful hatred of western nations and Christianity, but hate will never lead to the Truth of God. Never.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by harryhaller
I'd like you to please recognise the difference between followers of the Bible and Jesus, and the Roman Catholic church..

I'd like you to plrease recognize that Roman Catholics ARE Christians .. that the Roman Catholic Church wrote the bible ... and that Catholics follow Jesus just like Protestants do, some are even better Christians than their Protestant brethren. Did you get your anti-Catholic education via Jack Chick??

No, i ask you to please recognise that the roman catholics are NOT followers of the bible, and shouldn't be confused with them, despite their efforts TO confuse ... everyone.

Here's the test, very simple. Bible says in the 10 commandments:
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8

Ok, very simple, there's a day, Sabbath, that is reserved for the God of the bible.

So then along comes the catholic church, and CHANGES IT:

“Question - Which is the Sabbath day? “Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day. “Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? “Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

Very simple, you call catholics christian, but they openly defy the christian God? In fact, by their own writings their priests are ABOVE God?

The bible warns very clearly on these things, which is why the RC church has been so influential in changing various texts over the years. They have indeed made many many changes, from the Vulgate onwards. Again, no true christian would ever change a single word of the bible. Remember too that the RC church burned bibles, to keep the contents secret, as it showed their own manipulation over the people. This during the dark ages, made dark by the RC church.

There's so much more to it, they worship the creation, and many other gods, but NOT the God OF creation as described in the bible.

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
Oh, and as far as the west "helping poor nations", give me a break. I am so sick of hearing that disgusting lie. Show me where they ever helped a single person.

It is not the wests responsibility to pull the entire world up from it's poverty.
The west wouldn't be able to do that. There will always be poor in the world.
But anyways ... to answer your myopic 'question' (emotional rant) -
Here are just a few of the hundreds of organizations to help the poor around the world -
International Red Cross
Engineers Without Borders
Doctors Without Borders
Peace Corps
CARE
Unicef
Food for the Poor
Villa Hope Adoption Agency - just one of many non-profit adoption agencies
Cross Cultural Solutions - Volunteer in Africa
Catholic and Protestant medical missionaries around the world.
World Vision International
30 Hour Famine
Partners in Health
Salvation Army
Global Call To Action Against Poverty
Give Shoes .. Soles 4 souls
Save the Children

A nation of givers - Americans give to charity

Q. How much do Americans give? Is the amount we give going up?
A. In 2006, Americans gave about $295 billion to charity. This was up 4.2 percent over 2005 levels, and charitable giving has generally risen faster than the growth of the American economy for more than half a century. Correcting for inflation and population changes, GDP per person in America has risen over the past 50 years by about 150 percent, while charitable giving per person has risen by about 190 percent. That is, the average American family has gotten much richer in real terms over the past half century, and charitable giving has more than kept pace with this trend.

And then there is our tax money being given away to foreign countries for aid.
Billions of dollars. Some appreciate it. Many don't.

So why pick on the West when it comes to international aid?? The West is in the grips of a financial crisis. Why not direct your disdain at the oil countries ... like Saudi Arabia ... they have tons of money. Next time you want to whine that the West doesn't help you should remember ... IT DOES ... but it can't save the whole world.

reply to post by harryhaller

You must be 7th Day Adventist. People aren't going to hell because they have Sunday as the main day of worship instead of Saturday. BTW ... Catholics have worship EVERY DAY. Not just Sunday. Catholics are indeed Christians. They wrote the bible. The bible is read at daily Mass twice and is read at Sunday Mass 3 times. They follow it as their interpretation sees fit to follow it.

They are Christian.

Originally posted by WhoKnows100

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
Oh, and as far as the west "helping poor nations", give me a break. I am so sick of hearing that disgusting lie. Show me where they ever helped a single person. I live in the third world, and I have seen disasters, and I have seen the UN film scenes where they are handing out food, in front of a camera, and then "run out" of food as soon as the cameras are off. The Philippine news even reports that they do that. But it doesn't matter, because it isn't shown on CNN.

Your great nations have done nothing but exploit people, all over the world. The "poor" wouldn't even exist if the economic system had never been introduced here through Christianity. This whole system is brought in to destroy people and suck whatever they can from them in the process, period.

This feel good nonsense about "America helps the idiot 'n-word's of the world" make me sick. You should be ashamed thinking like that. Go to the third world, and look how much the NGOs and missionaries have helped people.

And I said none of the above, that is your bias coming through. And in fact, I tried my best in being objective - to the point of freely admitting that most churches do not preach the word of God and have succumbed to the same wicked hunger for greed and power that is within the "elite". But because you cannot see that, and instead want to bash Christianity as the SOLE evil force on the planet, then I will speak up.

Go to the common denominator - evil. It exists and it's rising faster than you can blink. Put your focus on it - wherever it exists. Whether that is a supposed man of God or any other organisation. It is your prerogative to remain in blissful hatred of western nations and Christianity, but hate will never lead to the Truth of God. Never.

No, no, I'm not hateful. Just check my youtubes:

www.youtube.com...

I think Christianity and western society are evil, and I am angry that they are destroying people I love. By your logic, if a rapist murder came into your home and raped and murdered your family, and you didn't like this, maybe even got angry about it, you would be a hateful person who couldn't determine reality because of all your hatefulness. That dog don't hunt.

Originally posted by harryhaller
no true christian would ever change a single word of the bible.

Best tell that to Martin Luther. He totally rewrote it ... adding words .. pulling out entire books.
He wanted to do more damage but his contemporaries pulled him back.
He was a total madman about it. Completely deranged.
Read - The Facts about Luther - by Patrick F. O'Hare.

the church burned bibles, to keep the contents secret,

The Catholic Church destroyed bibles that were in ERROR.

they worship the creation, and many other gods, but NOT the God OF creation as described in the bible.

Catholics do not worship the creation or other 'gods'. They worship the creator.

OY this nonsense gets so old ...

I suggest you read what the Catholic Church actually believes, instead of listening to
anti-Catholic sermons and reading Jack Chick tracts - Catechism of the Catholic Church

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by harryhaller

 

You must be 7th Day Adventist. People aren't going to hell because they have Sunday as the main day of worship instead of Saturday. BTW ... Catholics have worship EVERY DAY. Not just Sunday. Catholics are indeed Christians. They wrote the bible. The bible is read at daily Mass twice and is read at Sunday Mass 3 times. They follow it as their interpretation sees fit to follow it.

They are Christian.

No, there you going making bad assumptions, again. And frankly not even addressing that which i posted.

No they didn't write the bible, jews (mostly) write the bible.

Do your homework, roman catholic priests are in fact priests of horus, the evidence is VERY clear on that point. Or you can wallow in your ignorance some more.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
Oh, and as far as the west "helping poor nations", give me a break. I am so sick of hearing that disgusting lie. Show me where they ever helped a single person.

It is not the wests responsibility to pull the entire world up from it's poverty.
The west wouldn't be able to do that. There will always be poor in the world.
But anyways ... to answer your myopic 'question' (emotional rant) -
Here are just a few of the hundreds of organizations to help the poor around the world -
International Red Cross
Engineers Without Borders
Doctors Without Borders
Peace Corps
CARE
Unicef
Food for the Poor
Villa Hope Adoption Agency - just one of many non-profit adoption agencies
Cross Cultural Solutions - Volunteer in Africa
Catholic and Protestant medical missionaries around the world.
World Vision International
30 Hour Famine
Partners in Health
Salvation Army
Global Call To Action Against Poverty
Give Shoes .. Soles 4 souls
Save the Children

A nation of givers - Americans give to charity

Q. How much do Americans give? Is the amount we give going up?
A. In 2006, Americans gave about $295 billion to charity. This was up 4.2 percent over 2005 levels, and charitable giving has generally risen faster than the growth of the American economy for more than half a century. Correcting for inflation and population changes, GDP per person in America has risen over the past 50 years by about 150 percent, while charitable giving per person has risen by about 190 percent. That is, the average American family has gotten much richer in real terms over the past half century, and charitable giving has more than kept pace with this trend.

And then there is our tax money being given away to foreign countries for aid.
Billions of dollars. Some appreciate it. Many don't.

So why pick on the West when it comes to international aid??

The West is in the grips of a financial crisis. Why not direct your disdain at the oil countries ... like Saudi Arabia ... they have tons of money. Next time you want to whine that the West doesn't help you should remember ... IT DOES ... but it can't save the whole world.

You misunderstand me entirely. I want these organizations out of the third world completely. These people have lived for tens of thousands of years with out your condescending "aid" programs. I want all these organizations and corporations to pack up their crap and go home.

Those charities are all scams. Every single one of them. I thought everyone already knew that?

Originally posted by harryhaller
No they didn't write the bible, jews (mostly) write the bible.

It was the Catholic Church who put it together. It recognized and determined the canon of the New and Old Testaments in A.D. 382 at the synod of Rome, under Pope Damasus I. This decision was ratified again at the councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397 and 419).

Or you can wallow in your ignorance some more.

Since I'm not ignorant on this subject ... YOU can wallow in your ignorance or get educated.
The choice is yours ... Stay indoctrinated with anti-Catholic nonsense or learn some facts.
Read - Where we got the bible: Our debt to the Catholic Church - by Henry G. Graham

ETA ... you didn't even read the link I provided .. did you?
EDUCATE YOURSELF. Read the information straight from the Catholic Church on what it believes.