Yet another Baby Mauled to Death by PIT BULL - Should they be Banned?

reply to post by Echo3Foxtrot

I've met people who think the same way about Muslims that you do Pit Bulls.

i could say the same about you . ignorance goes both ways.

I'm just trying to figure out why you think every Pit Bull is a vicious killer no matter what.

i don't think they are all that way , but its what they have inside them when they turn RED and in attack mode. They all have this built into them, and can unleash it . and have tragic results. Other dogs are easier to fight off when in red mode then PIt Bulls. This is my problem with them.

They are ticking time bombs , unlike other breeds of dogs. Then when SHTF the fan with them. People go to great lengths to get the dog to stop attacking . Just ask...

pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org...

And as far as why people bring the dogs out in public is to help socialize it so it DOESN'T fall in to aggressive tendencies. Then there is the type of people that generally enjoy showing off their Pit Bull because they are beautiful dogs.

Invite your friends and other dogs over to your house and let them "socialize"

I got no problem with other breeds. but pit bulls and their likes , need to be locked away in the privacy of your home. Nobody wants to see them.

Originally posted by SlapTheGinkels
Knowing their reputation, why even chance it? I wouldn't have a pitbull in the same house as a baby. No animal should ever be 100% trusted around a baby. And no animal that has the potential to kill a child would be given the benefit of the doubt either. They get jealous, and things could happen...

Ignorance. It's sad.

People are equally capable but you leave them to look after kids.

Maybe we could just ban children

reply to post by seedofchucky


PItbulls are not bred to kill people. They were bred to catch hogs, and bulls, and they are bred to fight each other, but in fact, even among fighting dog breeders a single incidence of aggression toward a human is euthanized and the bloodline stopped!

Also, by your logic, we could look at statistics of crime, and statistics of incarceration and violence, and we could justify euthanizing entire races of people. Why not kill all Genghis Khans relatives, which is most of Asia? Why not kill all Germans, or all Black People, or all Americans or Irish? We are known for violence and aggression and cantankerous personalities, and we are a danger to others.

Statistics show the most dangerous place in the world for a pregnant woman is at home with the one she loves. So why not kill or incarcerate all expecting fathers?

You cannot wipe out an entire breed of dogs, because of a few unfortunate incidences that likely had many other factors involved other than race.

Nope they shouldn't . But people who wish to own one of these learger dog breads , that do have reputation for being dangurous should have to take a dog handeling course so they can properly understand and handle. If you don't take the course than your not licence to own one of these breads . I believe these dogs can make fine pets if the owner has an understanding of what he is dealing with .

reply to post by Believer101

I'm sorry, but no. Just # no. I am NOT keeping my gentle giant indoors because YOU have a problem with him.

Sure they are all gentle giants , till you lose control of them and they see RED. My problem is safety , you could careless i know . But if that dog attacks in public , i have no problem putting one in its head .

And if you EVER try to hurt him or any other big dog because YOU have a problem with them, I hope you get the fullest penalty available by law.

Penalty ? for stopping a threat ? I don't think so . You would probably get more trouble then me , for not having control of your dog , that just attacked little billy...

even if i was to go to jail for years , i would still put a bullet in your dogs head to stop him from attacking someone .

Just because YOU have a problem with something doesn't mean I or anyone else should change our way of life

Its not just me i know plenty of people who would love , people to just keep their dogs at home.

Why don't you go buy a house in the country and let your dog run around all day along ? Then invite other dog owners to come interact with you ? Everyone wins.

Originally posted by seedofchucky
reply to post by Echo3Foxtrot

 

I've met people who think the same way about Muslims that you do Pit Bulls.

i could say the same about you . ignorance goes both ways.

What is this? What does this even mean? How could you say the same about me? How am I ignorant?

And if someone wants to take their dog out for a walk and socialize it so it doesn't feed in to it's natural aggression, why would you be against this?

reply to post by seedofchucky


Forget the rest of the arguments, you claiming to speak for the rest of the population, is priceless. Keep up the good work, you are doing a lot to change the hearts and minds of the people.

With this attitude it shouldn't take long at all to have them all locked away. Its obvious you are making a lot of friends.

And honestly chucky, the easiest solution to keep you safe from most of the dangers of the world is for YOU to stay home. Just don't leave the house, and you won't have to worry about getting attacked by a pit bull.

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reply to post by seedofchucky


I see where your coming from,
I understand where everbody else is also..

But how the hell are they going to
get rid of the millions of pitbulls
that are around?

Seems almost impossible.

It will be like a doggy holocaust.

It's not the dog, it is the owner, and realizing that a pit bull is potentially a very dangerous weapon, it might be better that people must get permits to own dogs like pit bulls. That these dogs indiscriminately kill, something needs to be done.

www.cdc.gov...

Pit bulls, rottweilers, german shepards, huskies, malamutes, and dobermans.

These deaths demonstrate that some people should not own certain breeds of dogs.

reply to post by Echo3Foxtrot


It means the way some people say all muslims are terrorists , are on the same ignorance level as you with the pit bulls.

You said compared that to me , but i can turn that around and say the same about you , with your ignorance of pitbulls. It goes both ways...

And if someone wants to take their dog out for a walk and socialize it so it doesn't feed in to it's natural aggression, why would you be against this?

Like i said , bring those vicious dogs to your backyard , let them "socialize" with other dogs of like minded owners. Or designated social places , with enclosed fencing .

you know just incase one of the killer dogs , forgets about socializing and goes after billys foot

I think pit bulls are ok to have as pets, I work with dogs and pits give me absolutly no trouble, and thats when I can have up to 15-30 dogs running around. honestly the german shepards and some of the bull dog breeds are much more likely to try and attack another dog, or attack me.
The only time I have ever had a pit that could have been a problem, was because he was scared of people he didn't know and could become easily agitated, but if he was introduced to you and then he was fine. so really I don't think it is the pits fault. I do know that I have stories that dogs and kids do not mix in general though, and if you have a new kid, you should not let your dog near them without supervision, regardless of breed. Dogs are still animals, and you cannot always predict what they are going to do.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
reply to post by seedofchucky

 

I see where your coming from,
I understand where everbody else is also..

But how the hell are they going to
get rid of the millions of pitbulls
that are around?

Seems almost impossible.

It will be like a doggy holocaust

Unfortunately this doggy holocaust is already well underway. There are many humane societies that instantly euthanize pitbulls. Memphis, TN is the latest and largest one. Homeowners insurance often won't cover you if you have an "aggressive" breed dog. Many towns and localites have outlawed the dogs in city limits. Many people are like Chucky here, and if they see one, they panic and kill it immediately.

This is why folks, such as myself, are so adamant in our defense of the breed. It is a WONDERFUL breed! The best dogs I've ever had were Pitbulls. They are tough, loyal, intelligent, patient, and caring. They are an American Icon! They should be revered and appreciated, not euthanized!

Originally posted by Patriotsrevenge
reply to post by AGWskeptic

 

Yes I know black labs have a bad rep but everyone with a brain knows that is BS. Its discrimination at its best lol.

Look at the majority of Pittbull owners, there is your answer on why they bite. They are great for hunting pigs. FWI if your alone just punch it in the head as hard as you can or kick it in the jaw before it gets a hold of you. If your not alone the other person just has to lift the dogs back legs off the ground and he will let go.

Personnely.... I would like to see pitbulls made extinct as a bred, mainly because I work on a survey team that searches for property corner's in people's yard's; with myself having a major fear of a pitbull attack.

I don't think that pitbull's will be made extinct by TPTB, mainly because in a lot of cities have many ordinances banning the carry of lethal weapon's. The only recourse for the people, is to have a dog like a pitbull as a deady weapon for protection from gang's and crimmal's that carry gun's, knife's and pitbull's.

I don't like pitbulls, because it is probably too hard for me to kill them with my bare hands. You can kill a dog by grabbing the dogs jaws with your bare hands, and spreading the dogs jaws apart till it cracks. Still....I could be wrong, but I think that the average human does not have the strength to pull a pitbulls jaws apart.

I've heard from a written source, that you can make a pitbull release his/hers jaws buy sticking your finger into the dogs anus. Does anybody know if this finger probe technique works or not?

Originally posted by poet1b

It's not the dog, it is the owner, and realizing that a pit bull is potentially a very dangerous weapon, it might be better that people must get permits to own dogs like pit bulls. That these dogs indiscriminately kill, something needs to be done.

www.cdc.gov...

Pit bulls, rottweilers, german shepards, huskies, malamutes, and dobermans.

These deaths demonstrate that some people should not own certain breeds of dogs.

Any dog has the potential to be a very dangerous weapon. Hell, my Mini Border Collie is meaner than my Doberman is.
Big dog =/= viscous dog.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
reply to post by seedofchucky

 

I see where your coming from,
I understand where everbody else is also..

But how the hell are they going to
get rid of the millions of pitbulls
that are around?

Seems almost impossible.

It will be like a doggy holocaust.

They should keep them at home if they are going to keep it . In a large enclosed fenced area , that the owners should have to pay.

If they love the dogs so much let them move out int he country , where they can get large property and big fense , to let other like minded dog owners come over and play.

They should never be allowed to leave the compounds of that fense . They should do all their socializing , excerise , training within the compounds of their property .

Its not really a hard task to do . But most owners don't care enough to do that much for their killing breeds. Or they are too cheap to do that.

If the dog escapes , the owners have no right to get mad when it catches a bullet , for public safety of course.

reply to post by Erno86


Yes that works. If/when you get attacked, just stick your finger up its butt. Then call your local politician and start the petition to get the "bred" of pit bulls wiped off the face of the planet so you can feel safe while going into others back yards.

reply to post by Erno86




I've never heard that, and I hope I never have to try it!

You are probably right about it being impossible to pry a pitbull's jaws apart. They are far too strong for that. The best thing you can do is drive your hand/fist deeper into their mouth and make them gag. A single dog is rarely dangerous to a grown human. You can kick them and knock the air out, you can pick them up and slam them down on their back or side. You can just be more aggressive than they are and scare them away. Dog's respond to dominance, so be dominant.

But, if it is your job to be on someone else's property, don't you think a knock at the door, or a heads up in advance is appropriate? I mean any dog can be territorial and protective and dangerous, and so can homeowners! People kill far more people than dogs, you should be afraid of some trigger happy homeowner more than a pitbull!

reply to post by sputniksteve

And honestly chucky, the easiest solution to keep you safe from most of the dangers of the world is for YOU to stay home. Just don't leave the house, and you won't have to worry about getting attacked by a pit bull.

Thanks for the great tip ! I wish we had more people like you !

I guess all these people should stay home also

pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org...

Originally posted by seedofchucky
clearly you have no clue what animal instincts are and no matter how much you train them . Instincts always override it , when they see red. I don't care if you pamper it all your life.

This is completely false. If you think taking care of any animals (except cats maybe) translates to pampering them that just shows how much you don't know. Animals attitudes will change just the same as humans when they are in different environments, they take after the people and other animals that are around them the most. Dogs would not exist if not for humans and have lived by our side as servants and friends for tens of thousands of years, dogs are naturally inclined to seek humans as companions almost as much as their own kin. If a dog is aggressive, it is because of humans, not some innate murderous tendency that exists only in one breed. Humans murder more things than any species of animal ever will, perhaps we should ban them?

Oh wait... because that's a generalization and its wrong. Only judgmental people too lazy to research or care about facts say stuff like that.

Some dogs have been mistreated to the point where they are always aggressive and this is not breed specific, this applies to not only dogs, but humans and other animals as well. It has nothing to do with "instinct", what makes an animal aggressive is being mistreated or threatened. Even so, some of the most loyal dogs were previously abused.

The only reason you are afraid of pit bulls is because that is the only breed you hear about. Every time a pit bull attacks someone it is widely published. Other breeds and animals attack people all the time, you don't hear about it because it doesn't get people like you riled up with panties in a bunch. You don't really know what you are talking about.

Enjoy your witch hunt.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
You are probably right about it being impossible to pry a pitbull's jaws apart. They are far too strong for that. The best thing you can do is drive your hand/fist deeper into their mouth and make them gag. A single dog is rarely dangerous to a grown human. You can kick them and knock the air out, you can pick them up and slam them down on their back or side. You can just be more aggressive than they are and scare them away. Dog's respond to dominance, so be dominant.

You could use a breaking stick, a lot of people don't like these but if you have some dogs in a fight sometimes its the best way to get them apart.

If it's a truly aggressive dog you can try to break their neck by sacrificing one arm and using the other arm around behind their neck, push their head backwards hard and they will either let go or their neck will break. More than likely they will let go because their lower jaw doesn't reach as far in that direction, also its kind of unnatural for the dogs head to be pushed back that way.
(I've never had to do this, but it is what I've heard so don't take my word for it)

Not saying people should go around doing this stuff, but if you do end up being attacked it might be better the dog go than you. Dogs really can't afford anymore bad publicity, bored housewives with nothing to do but hate things will jump all over it and next thing you know we have a doggie genocide on our hands.