NYT 1932 : Hitler should have more power

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The NYT in 1932: Hitler should have fewer restrictions, more power



Hitler had a big fan club in the USA back then.

1938 :


1933 :
The Business Plot

In 1934, Butler came forward and reported to the U.S. Congress that a group of wealthy pro-Fascist industrialists had been plotting to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a military coup. Even though the McCormack-Dickstein Committee (precursor to the House Un-American Activities Committee) corroborated most of the specifics of his testimony, no further action was taken.

In his testimony, Butler claimed that a group of men had approached him as part of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt in a military coup. One of the alleged plotters, Gerald MacGuire, vehemently denied any such plot. In their final report, the Congressional committee supported Butler's allegations of the existence of the plot, but no prosecutions or further investigations followed, and the matter was mostly forgotten.

Nazi Party at Madison Square Garden :


Of course none of this is learned in school.

The way Hitler is spoken about reminds me of Emmanuel Goldstein or something. There was alot to like about Hitler. And I agree,you wont learn anything good about Hitler in school. Or on television. And like you said he had alot of U.S. supporters including Charles Lindburgh and Henry Ford.

Thus once again proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that news sources are to be taken with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by 7thcavtrooper
Thus once again proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that news sources are to be taken with a grain of salt.

Did you even read the snippet? What you learn in school and on television about Hitler should be taken with a grain of salt.

Well both news and school come from the same central source, so you can't trust either one.

People admired Hitler then only because they did not yet know the depth of his depravity.

It's one thing to admire him for getting Germany back on track after WWI, it's an entirely different thing to admire him in the 21st century, for, say, highly efficient rounding up and systematic murder of six million Jews.

Hell. Even I think he was a halfway decent artist-but I'm not going to hang his photo on my wall.

Hey, the New York Times loved him '32-therefore he wasn't a bad guy. Right?

Here is one thing they do not teach you in school. I guess this would be considered "sanctions" today.

The Jewish boycott of German goods refers to one of the international Jewish initiatives against Nazi Germany.

The boycott started in March 1933 in both Europe and the US.[2] According to Berel Lang it was uncoordinated and soon ended.[2] Other sources claim it continued until the entry of the US into the war.[3]

The Nazi regime was sufficiently concerned by the boycott that they protested internationally and on April 1, 1933 also organized a (one day) counter-boycott of Jewish business in Germany.[2]

Both the Nazis and some outside Germany saw the boycott as an act of aggression, with the UK newspaper Daily Express going so far as to put as headline:

"Judea Declares War on Germany".[2]

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by NuminousCosmos

It's one thing to admire him for getting Germany back on track after WWI, i

That is one thing.

it's an entirely different thing to admire him in the 21st century, for, say, highly efficient rounding up and systematic murder of six million Jews.

Who said they admired him for that? And I hardly think you could call it "systematic murder"

I thought the thread was about how Hitler is presented. I didnt hear anyone say Hitler is great for killing jews.

This is brilliant, saved for my archives, thanks!!

He still has a lot of supporters in the US and elsewhere, Prince Philip was (is?) a nazi, yes, the same guy who wants to be a virus in his next re-incarnation ... i couldn't make this up!

Vitchilo as an aside, i read recently that Mein Kampf was in fact written by a jesuit who was close to hitler at the time (Fr. Staempfle). Also that throughout his rule the jesuits were close by. We know that the pope encouraged hitler's exploits and ideas.

And the Ubermensch ...

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Actually it is.. If you did some more research you would see why those articles came about, and it all revolved around the propaganda machine the Nazis had going on. I am going to assume you watched the history channel today since everything you posted was discussed in depth from the show.

What the world did not know at the time is what was going on inside Germany when no one was looking.

An example is the Olympics, where Germans were told to be extremely tolerating of other countries / cultures / people. The moment the Olympics ended it returned to business as usual for Germany. We learned about this stuff my Sophomore year in high-school.

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Hitler and the Nazi's still get more press, media, PR, and ATS Thread topics than the winners of that war.

reply to post by theubermensch


Then I ask, what is the point of your post? Are you not showing admiration of Hitler by dredging up sympathetic articles from historical sources?

For example, the Time Man of the Year article is not a flattering portrait of a misunderstood martyr...it paints Hitler in the image of a ruthless man out for power.

www.time.com...

Originally posted by NuminousCosmos
reply to post by theubermensch

 

Then I ask, what is the point of your post? Are you not showing admiration of Hitler by dredging up sympathetic articles from historical sources?

For example, the Time Man of the Year article is not a flattering portrait of a misunderstood martyr...it paints Hitler in the image of a ruthless man out for power.

www.time.com...

I didnt say anything about the Times article. This isnt my thread. I commented that there was alot to like about Hitler and that yes,he did indeed have many supporters in America.

I thought that it was refreshing to see a thread on here that attempts to take a less hysterical look at Hitler. You are blinded by propaganda.

And I admire Hitler for many reasons.

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Then I repose the question to the OP.

Originally posted by ILikeStars
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

Hitler and the Nazi's still get more press, media, PR, and ATS Thread topics than the winners of that war.

Thats because the West, which the US was part of, won the war and for good reason. Why would good info about the US and West be a topic of good conversation on this site? Do you think the title of the thread and the intentionally leaving out of background info that places the info into context was accidental?

Originally posted by theubermensch
reply to post by NuminousCosmos

 

It's one thing to admire him for getting Germany back on track after WWI, i

That is one thing.

it's an entirely different thing to admire him in the 21st century, for, say, highly efficient rounding up and systematic murder of six million Jews.

Who said they admired him for that? And I hardly think you could call it "systematic murder"

I thought the thread was about how Hitler is presented. I didnt hear anyone say Hitler is great for killing jews.

Assigning numbers and then killing the ones that cannot work first and keeping it all organized I believe would be the definition of systematic.


Wtf.

Originally posted by theubermensch

Originally posted by NuminousCosmos
reply to post by theubermensch

 

Then I ask, what is the point of your post? Are you not showing admiration of Hitler by dredging up sympathetic articles from historical sources?

For example, the Time Man of the Year article is not a flattering portrait of a misunderstood martyr...it paints Hitler in the image of a ruthless man out for power.

www.time.com...

I didnt say anything about the Times article. This isnt my thread. I commented that there was alot to like about Hitler and that yes,he did indeed have many supporters in America.

I thought that it was refreshing to see a thread on here that attempts to take a less hysterical look at Hitler. You are blinded by propaganda.

And I admire Hitler for many reasons.

edit on 19-2-2012 by theubermensch because: (no reason given)

So you admire a man who killed so many??. thats not news propaganda as you like to say but facts..
Really shows your character btw....

Well, I suppose history is history and we don't have to like it. We ought to know it though and a big S/F for telling it like I agree it was. Of course that was back before everyone realized Hitler was actually a complete psychopath who surrounded himself with depraved killers. It was far too late by then.

He made the trains run on time and made people feel hopeful with change ( ) after the absolute economic disaster of the Weimar republic though. No doubt. I suppose the moral of that chapter in history is to beware of those leaders bearing gifts and no apparent strings......it may end real bad.

Originally posted by mcdgray129

Originally posted by theubermensch

Originally posted by NuminousCosmos
reply to post by theubermensch

 

Then I ask, what is the point of your post? Are you not showing admiration of Hitler by dredging up sympathetic articles from historical sources?

For example, the Time Man of the Year article is not a flattering portrait of a misunderstood martyr...it paints Hitler in the image of a ruthless man out for power.

www.time.com...

I didnt say anything about the Times article. This isnt my thread. I commented that there was alot to like about Hitler and that yes,he did indeed have many supporters in America.

I thought that it was refreshing to see a thread on here that attempts to take a less hysterical look at Hitler. You are blinded by propaganda.

And I admire Hitler for many reasons.

edit on 19-2-2012 by theubermensch because: (no reason given)

So you admire a man who killed so many??. thats not news propaganda as you like to say but facts..

Julius Caesar killed many. Is it ok to admire him?

Really shows your character btw....

Nice edit. It was missing that nasty debate muzzling liberal feel . Now you got it.

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Nope I don't watch TV...

Anyway, if any of these fools supporting Hitler had read Mein Kampf, they would have known that Hitler was very very bad news.

It's the same thing for people like ATSers who expose the nutjobs running countries around the world... we all know what they plan to do because we read what they write and who they are hanging out with.

I'm sure if ATS had been there back in the 30s, it would have exposed Hitler as a genocidal maniac bent on war.