Freedom of Speech - An excuse to be Openly an Anti-Muslim

reply to post by WALDOP


I agree with you sounds like most of the people just watch Tell-Lie-Vision and believe what they see and run with it.

this is why Muslims hate us. Watch this muslim wwf wrestler suddenly break character and address the crowd of americans.

reply to post by Zatox


we are all going back to the same place islam is nice and all

Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Problem is when someone of Islam wants to leave, what happens to them?

example: Several children who wanted to act Westernized in Ontario were "honor" killed by their father.

Well, it could be argued that honour killings occur all around the world. That however ignores the fact that

Muslims carry out 91% of honour killings world wide

www.meforum.org...

The Koran actually says nothing about punishing people who leave Islam in this life, although it promises punishment in the hereafter.

en.wikipedia.org...

However, Muhammad in the Hadiths (also holy books but somewhat open to debate) make it clear that death is the penalty for leaving Islam.

Sunni (who make up 90% of all Muslims) Hadiths stipulating the death penalty are:-

en.wikipedia.org...
www.cmje.org...
www.cmje.org...
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www.cmje.org...
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Some Shia (who make up perhaps 10% of all Muslims) Hadith stipulate the death penalty.

en.wikipedia.org...

How widespread is the belief by Muslims that death for Apostasy is appropriate?

78% of Pakistani Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam

Pew Poll on Pakistani Public Opinion

Most Muslims however are more moderate than Pakistani Muslims. For instance,

Only 3% of British Muslim students questioned believed that a person who leaves Islam should suffer the death penalty.

YouGov Poll of British Muslim students

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Intrud3r
Notice that the whole transatlantic slave trade is attributed to Islam! Apparently, Christians had nothing to do with it.

No you are mistaken.

Actually, the Muslims were bigger African slavers than the Christians.

(1) Scholars estimate that about 12,000,000 Africans were sold by Africans to Europeans… …and 17,000,000 were sold to Arabs.

www.scaruffi.com...

What am i mistaken about ? This is how you got 120 milion Africans number from your previous post

120 million Africans

Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.

Your source from the previous post states that Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa, so now you come up with new numbers. Which is it?

Originally posted by ollncasinoActually, the Muslims were bigger African slavers than the Christians.

(1) Scholars estimate that about 12,000,000 Africans were sold by Africans to Europeans… …and 17,000,000 were sold to Arabs.

www.scaruffi.com...

So again, you found a random page on google, copied the first number you saw without reading the rest.

Number of Africans deported to the Americas by the Europeans: about 10-15 million (about 30-40 million died before reaching the Americas).
www.scaruffi.com...

Those numbers are from the same page. So, how did you come to conclusion that Muslim were bigger slave traders than Christians ? Do the math. 30 - 40 million slaves died alone before even reaching the Americas. Come on, even the numbers you quote are proving that your conclusion about Muslim slave trade is is wrong.

Originally posted by ollncasino

(2) The Muslim Barbary Corsairs, (North Coast of Africa) between the 16th & 19th centuries, enslaved between 1 million to 1.25 million Europeans by seizing them from as far away as Ireland & Iceland.

Women were greatly preferred. Men were often castrated.

European men were not castrated, it was the blacks. Read the damn thing you quote. And again, lets take some other quotes from the same wikipedia page, seems that your "forgot" something

The 'Oriental' or 'Arab' slave trade is sometimes called the 'Islamic' slave trade, but a religious imperative was not the driver of the slavery, Patrick Manning, a professor of World History, states.

en.wikipedia.org...

Yeah, you somehow missed that. You got debunked again, try harder next time because this is getting boring. Read your sources before making a reference to them.

I cant understand how you got 2 stars for your post as it's full of wrong facts. I mean, do people even read the links you provide ? I dont think so.

Originally posted by Intrud3r
Yeah, you somehow missed that. You got debunked again, try harder next time because this is getting boring. Read your sources before making a reference to them.

I am surprised that you went to so much trouble trying to 'debunk' the sources I cited, yet you did such a poor job of it.

While I post sources who are reputable historians, you merely take ill judged and ill informed pot shots at their data, while simultaneously exhibiting the inability to recognise each study as a discrete item of research.

The 'Oriental' or 'Arab' slave trade is sometimes called the 'Islamic' slave trade, but a religious imperative was not the driver of the slavery, Patrick Manning, a professor of World History, states.

en.wikipedia.org...

Are you aware that Muhammad was a slaver?

From page 84 & 85 of Ibn Ishaq's biography about Muhammad

"The apostle of Allah imprisoned the Qurayza in Medina while trenches were dug in the market-place. Then he sent for the men and had their heads struck off so that they fell in the trenches. They were brought out in groups, and among them was Kab, the chief of the tribe. In number, they amounted to six or seven hundred, although some state it to have been eight or nine hundred. All were executed. One man turned to his people and said, 'It matters not! By God's will, the children of Israel were destined for this massacre!’ Then he seated himself and his head was struck off... ...Now the apostle distributed the property of the Banu Qurayza, as well as their women and children, to the Muslims, reserving one-fifth for himself. Every horseman received three shares, one for himself and two for his steed, and every foot soldier one share. There were thirty-six horses present on the day of the Qurayza. The apostle dispatched an emissary to Najd with the prisoners, to barter them as slaves in exchange for horses and camels. The apostle of Allah selected one of the Jewish women, Rayhana, for himself, and she remained with him as his slave until she died. He had suggested marriage to her, that she should wear the veil (to separate her from all other persons, as his wives did), but she replied, 'Rather allow me to remain thy slave; it will be more easy for me, and for thee.'"

www.archive.org...

I look forward to your deeply piercing critical analysis of the first biography of Muhammad...

Try not to mix everything up.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by navy_vet_stg3

 

Actually it is bigotry because 9.11 was committed by people who so happend to be muslim, there are 1.2 billion muslims in the world. The holocaust happend by people who so happend to be Germans, should we go around killing germans? Some people in my city were killed by people who so happened to be black, should we go killing blacks? The bombings taking place in afghanistan are being done by people who so happend to be white, should we go killing white people?

Yes it is 911% bigotry. Also a little fact that you may have missed that I might need to use crayons is to show you that all the perps of 9.11 were men. Should we declare war on men?

Why dont you post a picture of a black man being lynched in the middle of NYC and lets see the response, after all a lot of black people did kill, so its acceptable according to your logic.

edit on 062929p://2America/ChicagoTue, 21 Feb 2012 06:23:32 -0600 by THE_PROFESSIONAL because: (no reason given)

You're like a broken record. You said the exact same thing around page 6 or 7.

Here's another, recent example of the joys of Islam. Killing people over the disposal of the Koran.

news.yahoo.com...

Originally posted by BenReclused

Originally posted by dadgad

Originally posted by BenReclused
reply to post by dadgad

 

Free speech as someone above pointed out is only restricted to expressing anything that is withing the perimeters of the accepted norm.

Nope! Not at all! That is "political correctness"! "Political correctness" is the OPPOSITE of "free speech".

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to point that out.

See ya,
Milt

Of course. You misread me.

Nope! I don't think so.

See ya,
Milt

Yes you did.

Funny how certain groups claim the same freedom of speech when they preach the holy word to destroy Israel and the evil West. The same groups who open religious gathering and community centers in American cities and receive tax exempt status and funding to preach hate and destruction all under the umbrella of protection from the founding constitution of a nation they would like to disable or destroy.

I can't apply that statement to every one of these religious gathering and worship centers. But it can be safely applied to more than I am comfortable with. The Dar Al Hijrah and Denver Islamic Centers immediately comes to mind....All protected by CAIR and the ACLU.

reply to post by Foxy1

this is why Muslims hate us. Watch this muslim wwf wrestler suddenly break character and address the crowd of americans.

But, but, but... many others are telling us that Islam is a religion of "peace and love". How can this be true?

Now:
If Muslims are upset over the many links we find to garbage posted on YouTube, I can understand that. That crap upsets me too, but I certainly don't hate Muslims for it.

See ya,
Milt

I really have a problem with all this,

If I hate someone, for whatever reason, is that not my choice, my own personal freedom to do so? It doesn't mean I'm right, or wrong, or clever or superior, it means I have my own opinions and my own freedom to choose my opinions and decide who, I as an idividual, likes or dislikes.

For example, if I hate Billy Bob, I really hate him with a passion... I will hate YOU more for FORCING me to like him, making me feel like a leper for doing so and making society hate me.

I reserve my own judgement for who I hate and dislike, that is my freedom to do so, come and try to take that away from me.

Now then, that said, if i decide to ACT upon that hatred and physically do something, then you can lock me up because I made attempts to physically harm someone.

It's been asked so many times by so many people... why cannot we all just get along, why can't we respect one another's opinions (right or wrong) instead of trying to inflict our own morals and beliefs on others.

Originally posted by Zatox
reply to post by ALLDRAFT

 

Islam will prevail. We are the greatest religion on earth, the Muslims you hear on your t.v or where ever.. they are not Muslims, ok? Get this through your head.

edit on 18-2-2012 by Zatox because: (no reason given)

Though I absolutely agree with your right to make that comment, I certainly don't agree with it.

Let me break it down for you:

Islam will prevail.

The threat!

We are the greatest religion on earth,

The brag!

the Muslims you hear on your t.v or where ever.. they are not Muslims,

It doesn't mater! By Muslims making comments such yours, I know exactly what individuals such as yourself are all about...

Try to get that through your head!

See ya,
Milt

Originally posted by dadgad

Originally posted by BenReclused

Originally posted by dadgad

Originally posted by BenReclused
reply to post by dadgad

 

Free speech as someone above pointed out is only restricted to expressing anything that is withing the perimeters of the accepted norm.

Nope! Not at all! That is "political correctness"! "Political correctness" is the OPPOSITE of "free speech".

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to point that out.

See ya,
Milt

Of course. You misread me.

Nope! I don't think so.

See ya,
Milt

Yes you did.

Nope... I've got the "stars" to prove I didn't. I feel this is more about how poorly your initial comment was written.

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by TheAnswerTo1984


so no difference between Christianity and Islam? except we believe Jesus is GOD?
stop living in a world of fantasy, of course people have done evil in the name of God, in all religious sects there will be those who try to enslave their followers threw THEIR interpretation of the book which they are teaching from or simply put on the mask of "Christianity" to fulfill their evil desires. (ex.the crusades, catholic church, jesuits...)----- the Qur'an, bible or the torah have been used by people threw out history and have abused their real teachings.. islam was founded 600 years after the crucifixion of Christ, and even the atheist agree Islam and Christianity are complete opposites. Jesus taught to love thy enemies.. Mohamed taught to strike the neck of infidels. educate yourself before making such accusations, just because some one says they are christian, does not mean they are. ex. bush and many others, the elite have infiltrated every religion out there.. people are not anti-Muslim. im not an American but i understand how they feel having others invade their country from within(the elite), and from the outside( people who want Sharia law here in the us) even Muslims have said they left their countries to escape these things, why would they wanna see that here in the u.s

reply to post by Alien Abduct


Another example:
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Say something like that about jews and see what happens, yes Freedom of speech is being used as an excuse for this racism

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Say something like that about jews and see what happens, yes Freedom of speech is being used as an excuse for this racism

Its not racism, as religion is not a race. And freedom of speech as an excuse is indeed valid here. The same should apply for anti-jew claims, tough.

Originally posted by BenReclused

Originally posted by dadgad

Originally posted by BenReclused

Originally posted by dadgad

Originally posted by BenReclused
reply to post by dadgad

 

Free speech as someone above pointed out is only restricted to expressing anything that is withing the perimeters of the accepted norm.

Nope! Not at all! That is "political correctness"! "Political correctness" is the OPPOSITE of "free speech".

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to point that out.

See ya,
Milt

Of course. You misread me.

Nope! I don't think so.

See ya,
Milt

Yes you did.

Nope... I've got the "stars" to prove I didn't. I feel this is more about how poorly your initial comment was written.

See ya,
Milt

Well if stars are your peers, then what can I say? You must be right.

No sorry. You're plain wrong.

why is ti people feel that america, UK and israel are the only countries to ever say anything about the muslim religion.

when the cartoonist was murdered over drawing pictures of mohammed lawmakers in the netherlands began to try to outright outlaw the muslim religion because of its preeching of death anf violence

“I would not want to live or my children or grandchildren to live in a country where the ideology of Islam becomes more dominant every day, because the more Islam you have in a society, the less freedom you will have.” Geert Wilders, Freedom Party.

www.abc.net.au...

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Do you really believe "Crashrandy" needs an excuse to be a racist? Hell, can't you see that the Middle East itself is overrun with bigots and racists? As far as I know, there are no guarantees of "Freedom of Speech" to use as an excuse over there.

I'd be willing to bet that the United States has a far lower ratio of racists per capita than almost anywhere else on this Earth. Most likely that IS BECAUSE of our right to express our thoughts freely. I have absolutely no doubt that, if not for our right of "Free Speech", slavery and segregation would still be the rule, and not the exception, in the United States.

Concerning:

Say something like that about jews and see what happens,

One thing I know for sure: I wouldn't see you complaining about people using "Freedom of Speech" as an excuse for bigotry against them!

I'm all for "Crashrandy" making his racist comments. After all, isn't it him who is truly making himself look worse than his target? I feel so!

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by caf1550

why is ti people feel that america, UK and israel are the only countries to ever say anything about the muslim religion.

It's because of their ignorance, hatred, and they get a lot of stars and flags here on ATS for expressing those feelings.

See ya buddy,
Milt