Remote Viewers Predict Catastrophic Meteor Impact Before 2013

reply to post by uesvaje

This post of yours exposes your dishonest methods of debate.

This do you know what it looks like? Pseudoscepticism.

It's obvious he's continuing his multi part post. In the first he did directly reply to you, stereologist.

Buck up son and get past the name calling and labeling.

When you have nothing to say about the topic you can drop the personal attacks.

What you do not discuss is the request to prove a universal negative.

You are free to think replying to your own posts is normal. I do not.

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by ripcontrol

 

Sorry but your using science like bible thumpers use god ok we cant prove god exists/doesn't exist but there are a few things that point to god as a creation of man.

You are trying to use scientific theories in the same way to say you cant prove x so y might be true well how about this question the RV guys seem to avoid!

HOW do we test you, to shows us some real proof.

edit on 14-6-2012 by wmd_2008 because: (no reason given)

I do apologize if it seems that way.

I dislike thumpers too. Especially the dishonest ones,



I have started in the neighborhood where the methods we know of exist and have attempted to find out why it would work.

Please note, earlier I posted an alternative theory.


Test it yourself is the only answer I can give. I have been working on CRI not CRV.
(Please note, I am not trying to sell you anything nor am I trying to profit off of anyone here)(I have no website to promote nor anything else)
CRI- coordinate remote influence


The training however is key.Mine sucked..
The key points of training is build the gesalts and communicating with your subconscious mind. Once that is done then begin the process of building the skills.

Warnings for those who do train
you are playing with your own mind
those who do this have a high risk of heart disease from what I have seen
keep a close eye on your internal thoughts (remember your mothers adage you are who your hang around)

Above all remember the scientific method. The rest is button sorting.

With several people here I see nothing but, we want proof well I have answered. Replicate the experiments yourself and see what results you get.

Originally posted by ripcontrol

Test it yourself is the only answer I can give. I have been working on CRI not CRV. CRI- coordinate remote influence

Congrats! Btw, no individual testing is required, there are millions of man-hours advanced toward the testing, and ultimately the proof, that RV works, is a real art and is scientifically underscored.

Originally posted by ripcontrol
The training however is key.Mine sucked..

I was formally trained in CRVm and have several colleagues that never received formal training. Practice, OTOH, is absolutely necessary to improve RV capabilities that are present in everyone.

reply to post by AlchemicalMonocular

Congrats! Btw, no individual testing is required, there are millions of man-hours advanced toward the testing, and ultimately the proof, that RV works, is a real art and is scientifically underscored.

Yet another unfounded claim that there is any science involved.

Where is the science?

Practice, OTOH, is absolutely necessary to improve RV capabilities that are present in everyone.

Utts who is often used to claim some notion of credibility for RV states that practice is worthless. Utts states that you have it or you don't and few have it. In many ways you do not agree with Utts' conclusions.

Just out of curiosity, where the eff were these Remote Viewers on September Tenth??

reply to post by Shoonra


Maybe they were planning an RV session for the 12th to predict what happened on the 11th.

Here's an example of military research, while many discount such thing as pseudoscience or deny any such effect as a possibility...

The military I think deeply knows that any experimental results depend on interpersonal variation and adeptness.

On qi/biofield/bioenergy/biophysics/quantum biology/bioelectromagnetism etc so called fringe fields of science by likes of Randi

One of the authors( Juliann G. Kiang ) of the Springer literature paper from 2005, comes from those 2 military research institutions

1 Department of Cellular Injury, Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, Silver Spring Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences Bethesda MD USA

2 Department of Medicine Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences Bethesda MD USA

3 Department of Pharmacology Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences Bethesda MD USA

wrair-www.army.mil

www.usuhs.mil

Molecular and Cellular Biochemistry
Volume 271, Numbers 1-2 (2005), 51-59, DOI: 10.1007/s11010-005-3615-x

External bioenergy-induced increases in intracellular free calcium concentrations are mediated by Na+/Ca2+ exchanger and L-type calcium channel

Juliann G. Kiang, John A. Ives and Wayne B. Jonas

www.springerlink.com/content/p3g2228028ru8464/abstract/

Abstract

External bioenergy (EBE, energy emitted from a human body) has been shown to increase intracellular calcium concentration ([Ca2+]i, an important factor in signal transduction) and regulate the cellular response to heat stress in cultured human lymphoid Jurkat T cells. In this study, we wanted to elucidate the underlying mechanisms. A bioenergy specialist emitted bioenergy sequentially toward tubes of cultured Jurkat T cells for one 15-minute period in buffers containing different ion compositions or different concentrations of inhibitors. [Ca2+]i was measured spectrofluorometrically using the fluorescent probe fura-2. The resting [Ca2+]i in Jurkat T cells was 70 ± 3 nM (n = 130) in the normal buffer. Removal of external calcium decreased the resting [Ca2+]i to 52 ± 2 nM (n = 23), indicating that [Ca2+] entry from the external source is important for maintaining the basal level of [Ca2+]i. Treatment of Jurkat T cells with EBE for 15 min increased [Ca2+]i by 30 ± 5% (P le 0.05, Student t-test). The distance between the bioenergy specialist and Jurkat T cells and repetitive treatments of EBE did not attenuate [Ca2+]i responsiveness to EBE. Removal of external Ca2+ or Na+, but not Mg2+, inhibited the EBE-induced increase in [Ca2+]i. Dichlorobenzamil, an inhibitor of Na+/Ca2+ exchangers, also inhibited the EBE-induced increase in [Ca2+]i in a concentration-dependent manner with an IC50 of 0.11 ± 0.02 nM. When external [K+] was increased from 4.5 mM to 25 mM, EBE decreased [Ca2+]i. The EBE-induced increase was also blocked by verapamil, an L-type voltage-gated Ca2+ channel blocker. These results suggest that the EBE-induced [Ca2+]i increase may serve as an objective means for assessing and validating bioenergy effects and those specialists claiming bioenergy capability. The increase in [Ca2+]i is mediated by activation of Na+/Ca2+ exchangers and opening of L-type voltage-gated Ca2+ channels. (Mol Cell Biochem 271: 51–59, 2005)

Key words lymphoid cells - intracellular calcium - intracellular signal - calcium channel - Na+/Ca2+ exchanger - bioenergy

Originally posted by Shoonra
Just out of curiosity, where the eff were these Remote Viewers on September Tenth??

hmm. Well the noetic pods supposedly caught some unusual coherence just before 9/11.

noosphere.princeton.edu...

If random correlations might pick up an event, why not a person?

reply to post by SibylofErythrae


There are many problems with the claims involving the random number generators such as the different statistical methods are applied until a hit is found. Some of the algorithms in use are not revealed leaving many to wonder what is being done. Are these real or not? Doesn't appear to be real.

reply to post by stereologist


a beautiful strawman argument

do not get mad when someone uses your methodology against you



again where are your test?
again I still see no quals or even claims


Have you even tried to replicate any of the test?


Also I asked if you agree with HNS and other items existing. If you can not even respond to those well... it proves you are not even reading the post... also if you read them I posted it would be two or three post long....

So far you offer no proof of your claims, we are waiting.

Do you need help organizing your skeptical argument?

I can argue both sides...


Do you need help with your side?

Or is it because I would play fair that you have no interest in help? (now that is a loaded question

First I would stick to the thread matter

The person who made the prediction in the in the op..
His track record leaves a lot to be desired
(do not attack CRV at this point your greedy gus, leave it alone)

next I would go to the man who made the prediction
His colleges view of him

third,I would go over his training
(which if you had done your research would show you something)

fourth, the only area he has to fight back on is that he MAY have trained other monitors

he May have trained himself some

with his track record the individual however would not qualify as expert

fifth, his own cash motive

his business is to make money on this now

The next angle would be with NASA and its increased Asteroid detection efforts
nothing is on there radar

from most of your other post you have the capabilities and the interest in the astronomy interest to do this


Now At this point you wait... no matter how many time the subject comes up you do NOT get into arguments over the science part. Point back to the individuals track record and NASA having nothing on predicted paths


I would even go so far as to speculate and toss a bone to the believers... Is it possible in any configuration of the planets or moons and asteroids for a hidden asteroid/comet/other celestial body to hit earth or cause a pool ball effect with other bodies... Contact NASA for the numbers......

Originally posted by SibylofErythrae

Originally posted by Shoonra
Just out of curiosity, where the eff were these Remote Viewers on September Tenth??

hmm. Well the noetic pods supposedly caught some unusual coherence just before 9/11.

noosphere.princeton.edu...

If random correlations might pick up an event, why not a person?

Why not? First, you would have to be targeted for a RV session for the time/date and the identification of that person.

Since no one knew about 9/11 , only a few RVers got "hits" on that date.

reply to post by ripcontrol


The onus is on those making the claim. That is you claiming RV works. I ask for evidence and you produce nothing other than a lot of meaningless hand waving and posturing.

Where is the evidence?You haven't any. No surprise.

reply to post by stereologist


Nope, I began by asking you questions on a thread you complained was to long for you to read

You have no science quals....

You are now saying their is no HMS and no big bang?


Turnabout is fairplay...

I then helped you because you keep trying to move the thread off topic.


Science is the scientific method

You keep trying to argue that it is not science

however the post contain only finger pointing and no evidence
the heart of your claim is that the experiments where conducted???
Then X was observed
therefore y conclusion

(to which none of the above have you never provided proof)

Scientifically what you leave me with is speculation not science
you have no observations of experiments
you have no conclusions

you have NO qualifications


therefore we have only your agenda with no facts... we call that being a charlatan

Do you have an experiment we can duplicate?

Originally posted by AlchemicalMonocular

Originally posted by AlchemicalMonocular
For those who are Project Camelot fans, Dr. Courtney Brown will be on a LiveStream broadcast with Kerry "Ms. Ja-Ja-Jaguar" Cassidy 13June Wed 2012.

Dr. Brown - Camelot

UPDATE!

Just a thought for those who would prefer not to pay the $7 for the LiveStream webcast, Project Camelot typically offers these for free downloads/viewing a few days after the live stream!

And here it is, audio for free!





EDIT: There are two parts, make sure you listen and/or download to both of them!

reply to post by ripcontrol

You have no science quals....

That is a ridiculous unfounded opinion on your part. It is as unfounded as belief in RV.

I then helped you because you keep trying to move the thread off topic.

Another falsehood. I ask about evidence to support RV and the claims of the OP. I am not discussing you or myself or neuroscience or the big bang or whatever off topic subject you bring into the thread.

Science is the scientific method

You keep trying to argue that it is not science

That is an out and out bald faced lie.

however the post contain only finger pointing and no evidence
the heart of your claim is that the experiments where conducted???
Then X was observed
therefore y conclusion

(to which none of the above have you never provided proof)

Scientifically what you leave me with is speculation not science

This is so poorly written I am unable to understand what you are talking about. Would you please clarify what you are saying?

you have no observations of experiments
you have no conclusions

you have NO qualifications

Learn a little about the scientific method. Learn that the goal is to find objective evidence, not subjective evidence.
Do you have any evidence for this silly parlor game called RV? Where is the evidence that it works?

Any discussion about me simply shows that your claims are so failed and so bad that you have to resort to personal attacks.

One of the simple ways to tell the world that a subject is a joke is by associating it with Project Camelot.

How funny!

Originally posted by AlchemicalMonocular

Originally posted by AlchemicalMonocular

Originally posted by AlchemicalMonocular
For those who are Project Camelot fans, Dr. Courtney Brown will be on a LiveStream broadcast with Kerry "Ms. Ja-Ja-Jaguar" Cassidy 13June Wed 2012.

Dr. Brown - Camelot

UPDATE!

Just a thought for those who would prefer not to pay the $7 for the LiveStream webcast, Project Camelot typically offers these for free downloads/viewing a few days after the live stream!

And here it is, audio for free!

EDIT: There are two parts, make sure you listen and/or download to both of them!

edit on 15-6-2012 by AlchemicalMonocular because: (no reason given)

UPDATE - See above regarding two parts!

reply to post by stereologist

One of the simple ways to tell the world that a subject is a joke is by associating it with Project Camelot.

How funny!

UPDATE - It is still a great way to identify a joke - association with Project Camelot.

It is really odd for people to reply to their own posts. First it was ripcontrol, then it was AlchemicalMonocular
. So now I too am doing what the thread seems to be doing.

stereologist, you glossed over the Army ESP confirming publication from peer reviewed medical/biology Springer journal Molecular and Cellular Biochemistry didn't you?

A positive study by/from the military makes pseudosceptics and debunkers uncomfortable it seems.

There are enough evidence to say that RV, ESP, qi, biofield, bioenergy, biophysics, quantum biology, bioelectromagnetism works and exist, even if constrained by limitations.

But the fact is it can't be denied anymore by pseudosceptics and debunkers. It can be argued to death in academia, but it has proved some mechanism within the human body not fully understood yet, makes it happen.

It's a dilemma you people with that type of thinking need to resolve and get over it.

reply to post by stereologist


Again you have been asked for your quals and none given


Also you have been asked a series of questions if you believe in the existence in the human nervous system . Among other things.

Since you cried foul on the quals we went down a variety of items. If you cant see the connection it is not my problem.

I keep giving you chance after chance to prove you are not trolling. So far I see nothing but fuzzy hair

I then aided you in your argument against the very same thing we are disagreeing on.


So far you are behaving like a fraud....



Your behavior is childish trolling and the adults all recognize it.... You can reply to your own threads when you are still writing a single post that goes past the word count limit.

BTW, you asked for proof... I am kinda curious...
Do you not believe in the big bang
Do you not believe in all the materials I named?

I have reviewed your other threads and I see the same trolling the whole time... it is a huge problem for me


Again what qualifications do you have to make said judgement (are you a mad scientist)

I CALL

where is the proof it does not work
1)the experiment observations
2)the conclusions

if this makes no sense do not claim science or psuedo science as a basis for your trolling