more police state, .45/laptop dad house gets raided by CPS

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by harryhaller

 

You sound like a petulant child there.
The guy overreacted. I see him as just another stupid nutter with a gun. The real reason why gun laws exist!

You can see him, or me, as anything you wish.

Doesn't make you right, reasonable, or sane.

No laws were broken, especially after the police and CPS investigated. Why is that not enough for your armchairiness?

Yes, thats a real question.

reply to post by The Sword

Originally posted by The Sword
I just wanted to point out that the partisan debate over social programs is a distraction from the real issues that face this country.

I don't know if the Tea Party folks realize it or not but we are fighting 3 wars and pumping billions of dollars into our defense industries every single year.

Why hasn't the Tea Party suggested cuts in the defense budget?

Why haven't they rallied to withdraw our troops from Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya?

What do Rand Paul and Paul Ryan really want for this country?

Think about this angle:

Social programs (welfare, medicare, ssi/ssdi, medicaid) are cut, thus putting people into a situation where they become desperate and retaliate.

Think about it. It's not that far-fetched. Is it guaranteed? That depends on how much you cut.

But, it gives the government a wonderful excuse to use those FEMA camps and trains.

High unemployment + no safety nets = ????

This is from your thread. In the thread your in now it seems like your pretty anti gun. Who do you think is gonna help your sorry butt when these people do have an excuse to use the FEMA camps rednecks with guns not your buddys running around going guns are bad mmmkay

reply to post by Pazzzzz



First how do you know that every time he runs and grabs his gun. From the video it had already happened once and she just got grounded. I really resent the redneck thing and i hate to tell you were not as stupid or crazy as you think. As for the whole bad morals thing how really what he did is no worse then a parent breaking a kids game for misbehaving. The gun was just an easier choose and if he locks his gun in a gun case like most sane people that have kids then how is she going to get a gun every time shes upset. Lastly Is anyone on here that has kids really going to let the disrespect an elder if your older than 21 im sure you were around when it was different and you got your mouth popped if you mouthed off to an adult

reply to post by punisher2012


www.wlbt.com...

This news source says police and CPS are both ok with what he did. Just wanted to shake his hand I guess hehe.

it is obv most of you didnt watch the vid, so im gonna explain it to you lazy people. She said she was a "slave" b/c they made her do chores, big deal, and after he upgraded her laptop with over 100$ of software, that she requested and the father said Ok; she has the balls to disrespect what she is given, she hasnt worked for anything in her life. and the dad explains that. He bought the laptop, the software, and everything else he owns, he can do what he pleases. And also, he is an IT guy, he isnt a redneck, he is definitely smarter then some of you people on here

reply to post by litterbaux


So, what if the guy had nicely disassembled the laptop, and posted a message showing the laptop disassembled, saying "honey dear, you hurt my feeling with your facebook post about how unfair you feel that we treat you".
Do you think that would have been ok or off?
So a father showing some anger about a teenager disrespecting her parents is wrong?
So he shot the laptop with his gun. I bet it was fun. I bet his daughter got the point.
So is it the shooting the gun that you think makes him off? Or the anger he felt toward his daughter's disrespect?
Does he abuse her, I don't know, but my point of view from the video says no.
Did he add a strong point, and a bit of texas humor to the situation? sure.
Who hasn't wanted to shoot, or at least hit their computer with a hammer from time to time.
This guy just acted out what alot of folks think and feel, in a slightly humorous way.
There was nothing unsafe about what he did. And nobody, except the laptop was hurt in his target practice.
Whats the big deal.
I thought it was funny.
I also think that CPS was just doing their job in checking him out. They are required to when anybody makes a complaint, and I'm sure that many folks who are afraid or against guns made complaints after seing the video.
I'm glad they didn't find anything against him.

What was he doing discharging a firearm outside of a range or official hunting ground anyway?

And what happens if his daughter takes the same approach when he does something she doesn't approve of?

Is that the answer to life's problems? A few hollowpoint .45's?

It would be classed as willful destruction of property if it wasn't for the fact that he can claim ownership of the laptop....

So this girl, does she own anything? I mean honestly, this thought must have come up in her head at some point.
And what if she does go out and do some work and then buy her own laptop and then re-post the same arguments, possibly adding a bit about her dad skitzing out with a gun? will the father destroy that laptop as well? or maybe he'd take his anger and frustration out on her with his .45?

Maybe she's anti-smoking, she should make a point of shooting up every pack of smokes her dad buys from now on.

I agree that she needed to be punished for what she done, she was out of line, no argument there, but what kind of trigger-happy freak deals with the situation like that? Lucky she doesn't own a pony, she may have woken up to find it's disembodied head laying on the pillow next to her.

The guy is clearly unstable and needs to have his license and firearms revoked as this is NOT a responsible use of a firearm, it's because of people like this guy that so many countries have such strict laws about personal ownership of a firearm.

Yes a bit over the top....BUT...that being said...I for one (and yes I am a parent) am glad he had the balls to be over the top. You do realize that in this day an age...the only way you can get through to certain kids is by being over the top like this. There are many (and going out on a limb here - I would say a vast majority) of kids these days that don't pay attention to anything but over the top. Look at media, music, entertainment....proof made I believe.

In my day and age growing up....the disrespect she shows (as many kids do now a days) would have NEVER been tolerated. Parents that do want to "parent" can't now. And these kids that we treat like they have no brains...they are smart enough to see that and use it in any way possible.

Computers and Facebook make this soooo much easier too. Anything the kid doesn't like....let them go public....then look out. They will get their way and do and say what they like....cause guess what people? You try parenting them....someone is knocking on your door telling you not to do that or worse....

I really dislike seeing how youth is these days....no respect, no morals, hand me everything, no social structure, obsession with material things and money and looks and sex and having "freedoms" to do anything they like - with out consequence of course. Look around you. You all can see it every day. It is very depressing to see how far humanity has fallen.

I am not saying all kids are as bad as this guys daughter....but...I have seen many that are just like her or worse. I would be very very scared to see the actual statistics. Out of control comes to mind.
We need to be parents.
I am a gun owner and a very responsible one. My son is as well. He learned well. He learned to have love and respect. Period.
I would never have done anything like this....but I can tell you....I have certainly felt like I wanted to at times. Laptops....smart phones....some are better with bullets in them.
I am glad that CPS and law enforcement stepped in...they proved that it was a safe environment and even gave the guy a nod. for being a parent.

There are many good parents out there, they just have their hands tied by the bad ones and the people that feel the need to parent their children in the proper and righteous way. Their way. Time outs and I love yous don't a parent make...grasshopper.

We have certainly fallen down a very steep slope....I just hope for all of our sakes...it's still not to steep to climb out.

Oh....and on the gun/anti-gun trip.....come on people....leave it be. I have respect for everyone and their views (unless their "views" become an issue with my or my family or my friends well being....) - but I will say it as I have seen and heard it said time and time and time again.... GUNS don't kill People.....PEOPLE kill people...with our without guns. I can look around my room and see just in a glance about 50 things that can be used to kill...and kill quickly and more efficiently than my guns. Oh and when/if the STHF ever drops on us...for you gun haters....I will still be more than happy to defend you and kill your dinner for you. Plus I cook too....so....dinner will be good.
Keep your kids safe and close. Be a parent, not just a friend. Be involved with your kids. Stop letting the TV, phones, games consoles, PCs...etc be the parent/babysitter. Then "gun nutters" can have something better to use the very expensive .45ACP ammo for.
~the blue monster

Originally posted by litterbaux
reply to post by knightsofcydonia

 

How is this insanity? Shooting your daughters laptop and putting the video up on youtube is insanity. Then to have the guy publicly say " I don't want publicity I just wanted to prove a point" but he uploads it to youtube? Where is the line between stupidity and insanity?

There is obviously something wrong with this guy. Why not just take the laptop away? Why not just shoot it full of ammo and give it back? Why would you upload it to youtube and then not want attention?

It's good this guy got investigated. Something is off here.

Spoken like a person who has no kids and has no idea.....

He posted the video for the benifit of her friends on FB not so it could go viral and get a ton of publicity.
The days of raising YOUR child the way you see fit as long as they aren't being hurt is over.
The judicial system & literbaux will tell you how to raise them.

I raised 5 kids. 3 girls and 2 boys. They are all well adjusted and are good members of society (so far) so I can say I know about what I talk. They are all older now with the youngest being 19.
My barbarianism way of raising them which included spankings didnt seem to scar them forever and they actually have respect for adults and their elders.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by punisher2012

 

He destroyed his kid's laptop with a .45 and posted it on youtube.

CPS was right to intervene. Who's to say that he wouldn't pull that .45 on his own kid?

Stop acting like everything is an invasion of your privacy. Since when do people have the right to beat/endanger their kids in private?

With this logic we better look out for all those people that play fps games, they're all gonna get guns and shoot us

As far as I'm concerned he bought the laptop so he can do whatever he wants to it.

reply to post by mwood


Couldn't have said it better myself. My folks raised me and my brother right. We had much the same upbringing. You stepped out of line, there were consequences. I am not scar tissue wearing....very well adjusted, good job, beautiful future wife, loving family, loving well adjusted kids. And yes...I own guns....uh oh...I may be a nutter now..from that statement.

My family raised me right. My family raised all of us kids right and we are all proof of that. With being yelled at, spanked, grounded, having thing taken away...etc....when we did something bad. And I mean bad...it had to be bad to get punishment. Doing the stupid little things all kids do was explained to us why it was bad...but as a kid, I can certainly recall knowing what was just a little bad and what was....oh god...dad brought me into the world he will take me out bad....

Like in my last post/reply.....let's get back to being parents people. It's far from a perfect world. let's give the kids a chance in it.

~the blue monster

Originally posted by calnorak

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by punisher2012

 

He destroyed his kid's laptop with a .45 and posted it on youtube.

CPS was right to intervene. Who's to say that he wouldn't pull that .45 on his own kid?

Stop acting like everything is an invasion of your privacy. Since when do people have the right to beat/endanger their kids in private?

With this logic we better look out for all those people that play fps games, they're all gonna get guns and shoot us

I play FPS games and i don't own a gun.... when someone is willing to use a firearm for such an arbitrary and irresponsible purpose as intimidating their own daughter then i think it's very nessecary that the appropriate authorities investigate.

Let's face it, this guy punished his daughter using a gun, not his voice or exercising his parental authority or even just by simply taking the laptop away, reformatting it and selling it off.... nope, he decided to destroy it using the most over-the-top method he could dream up.

And how did he access his daughters facebook account in the first place? he was doing some maintenance on it, I know if i take my pc to the shop for maintenance i sure as hell don't want the I.T guy searching through all my email and surfing my facebook.... On top of this, who is likely to be reading this girls post's anyway? it's not like he would have even known if she hadn't of asked him to fix the laptop and he decided to pry through her personal stuff..


The guy is not blameless, he reacted badly and took the wrong approach, simple logic and knowledge of right and wrong should tell you this much.

His daughter will likely never trust him ever again, i know i wouldn't, and there's a chance that she might start using the same methods of getting her own way that he demonstrated to work, i know i would have.

on the few occaisions that my parents were stupid enough to destroy something of mine over a petty and selfish grievance i turned right around and destroyed something of theirs and i always made sure it was something more valuable then what they had destroyed in order to teach a lesson on escallation and proliferation, things that, ironically enough, they had taken great pains to teach me themselves.


And i'll add to this that i always made a point of using the same methods of punishment for my parents that they used for me when ever i felt that they had done something wrong as well, the difference being that i took my punishment like a man and they chose to hide behind police...

Whats good for the goose...

Not to mention all of this over a facebook post which I found to be quite a creative outlet for your misery. It wasn't even supposed to be seen by the dad so in the end it's all his own fault. A .45 would fix that problem too.

reply to post by phantomjack


I said in the thread previous I would have taken a sledgehammer to it.
I'll also reiterate what I said previously. We are all aware as parents our children can be prone to moaning about us behind our backs, but to display such blatant disrespect on a social medium such as Facebook in order to obtain sympathy and backslapping from their equally obnoxious friends is more than mildly upsetting.

Anyone though, who thinks his daughter was in any danger of anything other than having her delusion of persecution popped like a balloon - seriously need to have their bumps felt.

Furthermore the father did not hack into his daughters account, they have an account for their dog (not exactly unusual for peoples pets to have their own FB pages) and whilst he was uploading pics to the dogs page, her vile little swipe was there plainly to see. It's adding pure insult to injury that whilst he'd spent his time and money upgrading her laptop he was faced with such idiocy.

I agree with this man and totally respect him, and so did the police. Of all the calls they got, its obvious they HAD to at least go over there which is understandable. This was not a "raid", just a visit.


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Originally posted by Raivan31
What was he doing discharging a firearm outside of a range or official hunting ground anyway?

Many places you can shoot off a gun. On your very own land even.............

reply to post by Raivan31


What's good for the goose is some nice bird shot, a nice open fire and cast iron pan, some special duck sauce and rice pilaf or risotto....now that is good for the goose

Originally posted by Raivan31

Originally posted by calnorak

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by punisher2012

 

He destroyed his kid's laptop with a .45 and posted it on youtube.

CPS was right to intervene. Who's to say that he wouldn't pull that .45 on his own kid?

Stop acting like everything is an invasion of your privacy. Since when do people have the right to beat/endanger their kids in private?

With this logic we better look out for all those people that play fps games, they're all gonna get guns and shoot us

I play FPS games and i don't own a gun.... when someone is willing to use a firearm for such an arbitrary and irresponsible purpose as intimidating their own daughter then i think it's very nessecary that the appropriate authorities investigate.

Let's face it, this guy punished his daughter using a gun, not his voice or exercising his parental authority or even just by simply taking the laptop away, reformatting it and selling it off.... nope, he decided to destroy it using the most over-the-top method he could dream up.

And how did he access his daughters facebook account in the first place? he was doing some maintenance on it, I know if i take my pc to the shop for maintenance i sure as hell don't want the I.T guy searching through all my email and surfing my facebook.... On top of this, who is likely to be reading this girls post's anyway? it's not like he would have even known if she hadn't of asked him to fix the laptop and he decided to pry through her personal stuff..


The guy is not blameless, he reacted badly and took the wrong approach, simple logic and knowledge of right and wrong should tell you this much.

His daughter will likely never trust him ever again, i know i wouldn't, and there's a chance that she might start using the same methods of getting her own way that he demonstrated to work, i know i would have.

on the few occaisions that my parents were stupid enough to destroy something of mine over a petty and selfish grievance i turned right around and destroyed something of theirs and i always made sure it was something more valuable then what they had destroyed in order to teach a lesson on escallation and proliferation, things that, ironically enough, they had taken great pains to teach me themselves.

edit on 15-2-2012 by Raivan31 because: (no reason given)

And i'll add to this that i always made a point of using the same methods of punishment for my parents that they used for me when ever i felt that they had done something wrong as well, the difference being that i took my punishment like a man and they chose to hide behind police...

Whats good for the goose...

edit on 15-2-2012 by Raivan31 because: (no reason given)

1. It was not his daughter's laptop. It was his laptop to dispose of however he wishes.
2. There's a big difference between a father/daughter relationship and you and your IT tech. Apples and Oranges.
3. Right and Wrong are words that change relative to the person using them.
4. This happened in America. Firearms are not restricted to use in ranges.
5. She has no personal stuff. He is her legal guardian until she turns 18.

reply to post by Raivan31

on the few occaisions that my parents were stupid enough to destroy something of mine over a petty and selfish grievance i turned right around and destroyed something of theirs and i always made sure it was something more valuable then what they had destroyed in order to teach a lesson on escallation and proliferation, things that, ironically enough, they had taken great pains to teach me themselves.

So, now we get the point. You were the same type of brat as his daughter. So, you disagree with his methods.

It was a simple message, you want to disrespect people, see how it feels. You want to misuse things and cause destruction with them, then they get destroyed.

When I was a kid the third time my mom had to ask me to pick up my toys they went in the trash. My brother threw his toys out the window in a temper tantrum. All of the neighbor's kids came by and picked them up. My parents would not let them return the toys. We learned really quick, if you value something and want to enjoy it, treat it with respect. Keep it up, maintain it, care for it, and do not abuse it if you like it.

His version was more extreme, but it was the same thing. I don't see it as being wrong. Maybe it was a tad childish, but not wrong.

His daughter will likely never trust him ever again, i know i wouldn't, and there's a chance that she might start using the same methods of getting her own way that he demonstrated to work, i know i would have.

The difference is she apologized and started negotiations. People offered to buy the bullets he used. So, she had a discussion about auctioning them off and splitting the proceeds. She took her punishment, admitted she was wrong and came back trying to make the best of a bad situation. She responded more like an adult than most adults I know.

And how did he access his daughters facebook account in the first place? he was doing some maintenance on it, I know if i take my pc to the shop for maintenance i sure as hell don't want the I.T guy searching through all my email and surfing my facebook..

She is a 15y/o child living in his house. He is not her IT guy. If she wants the privacy of an adult she has to act like one. Even at fifteen I understood that if I wanted to be treated like an adult I had to act like one. I did my own laundry so that my mother wouldn't have a need to open my drawers. I made my bed so my mother wouldn't need to look under the mattress. I learned to pull apart my own speaker system and electronics to find and fix problems. There was no need for dad to be digging through my stuff.

My parents still kept an eye on me, but the didn't rummage through my stuff. I understood the only expectation to privacy at 15 was what I earned. I earned more by taking responsibility for my own things. If she did the same she would probably have never been caught.