Why do YOU love Israel?

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by HattoriHanzou

 

And you bible knowledge is scant as well.

The argument goes like this: God promised the land to Abraham, then to Isaac, then to Jacob. Its from here that the covenant originates.

Yes but who cares? The Bible is just a bunch of stuff that a succession of somewhat schizophrenic people wrote in order to either justify their criminal deeds, or to lead the sheep astray.

If you can use the Bible to justify, that means that anybody can use anything to justify any action. The bible is the product of a criminally insane group of persons, and it is filled with the most vile nonsense.

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou
reply to post by LightsideAssassin

 

There are, I believe, an infinite variety of spiritual creatures or entities out there, some of which I believe enjoy leading humans astray. Add onto this the layer after layer of intentionally confusing and misleading systems that man has crafted in order to lead each other astray and you have a large number of illogical and irrelevant systems. To simply claim that they are all equivalent to each other makes it easy to be spiritually lazy. After all, if they are all the same, why bother even engaging in spiritual and religious studies after all?

You owe it to yourself as a spiritual entity to try to wade through the spiritual morass out there. Many things have been crafted ages ago, up to the present hour, in order to make you believe things that aren't so.

Of course there are all kinds of entities. We're talking source, god, choose your title. There is exactly one. God Jehovah Allah etc, names don't matter, except to humans not understanding that they are all the same source. All the fighting and killing is pointless because in the end you end up at the same place, which is where we all came from

reply to post by HattoriHanzou

The Gnostics erred by allowing the Jehovist perspective to enter their religion. The Greeks were much closer to the truth of the matter anyway. Still, they were not nearly as close as the Zoroastrians, who probably have the closest conception of what the real truth is.

The "Jehovist perspective" didn't exactly enter "Gnosticism" inasmuch as Gnosticism is the esoteric wisdom of the Christian tradition, Jehovah played no focal part; he was merely the platonic 'demiurge' the created reality which conceals the Absolute from minds of finite creatures. Now, how they manage to reconcile the Absolute-nothingness with the reality we live in is an alltogether different question. At most, the Neo-Platonic/Gnostic/Sufi/Vedantic Absolute is an intellectually justified hypothesis.

But depending on the school, but lets concentrate on the most popular school, the Valentinians. In the Valentinian system, Jehovah is the God of creation, or, since the name YHVH, as those who study the Kabbalah know, refers to the 4 levels of 'being' (again, the name comes from the root 'hayah' being) emanation, creation, formation and action. These are all 'relational' states. Even the highest level, Adam Kadmon, symbolized by the crown of the Yod, is a tacit limitation of the infinite into a definite individualized form, akin to the Hindu Purusha or the Neo-Platonic Anthropos.

The Greeks were much closer to the truth of the matter anyway.

There isn't much substantial difference between the Greek, Christian, Islamic or Hindu positions. They all in the end focus on the same reality, albeit, in different ways, following different paths.

Judaism however is fundamentally different, hence the deplorable treatment the Jews have endured over the millenia. The Jews, emphasizing the Relative God i.e. the God of Yisrael (YHVH), considering it as fundamentally important as Elohim (which would be the philosophical/metaphysical Absolute) really annoys the sophists among the nations, particularly the Hellenists.

Even the popular medieval blood libel of Jews killing christian children, that's all symbolism; symbolism which resulted in the murder of innocent people. The blood of the christian child is the Anthropos; the Jew, the Ego (or lower self, which acknowledges i.e. Yehud means to acknowledge, the "demiurge"), and the Matzah, is the the 'false humility' that the Jew apparently displays. Thus,the blood i.e. essence of the self is despoiled by the false humility of the Ego.

And thousands get killed because gnostic christians propagate lies. Just like today!!!

. This is really the true mark of either a huckster who spurns the laws of Manu, or one who has a spiritual drum to beat or agenda to push.

I'm just saying the 'demiurge' is a fundamental concept, even in Hinduism. Take this remark from Alain Danielou in "The myths and Gods of India"

As the creating principle, Brahma is not usually worshiped. Mens aspirations go towards liberation or toward divine contemplation, and this leads them towards Siva or Vishnu. Brahma is worshiped by the angels, the seers, the lords of progeny, who are the entities upon whom rest the management and organization of the material universe. There are, however, representations of Brahma in most temples and his name is invoked in rituals. His image in Puskara, near Ajmeer in Rajputana.

The Skanda Purana (1.1.6; 3.2.9-15;3.1.12) gives a number of reasons why Brahma is not today an object of worship. One of them is that he was condemned by Siva never to be worshiped by mortals because he lied, pretending he had reached the summit of the linga of light. (ibid 1.1.6). - Alain Danielou, The Myths and Gods of India, pg. 235, Inner Traditions International.

Siva - the principle which leads to dissolution, "exposes" the fact that Brahma - the principle of creation - does not reach the linga (or sign) of light i.e. the source i.e the absolute. Brahma may be considered the Absolute, or the abstraction of the self (which is why the Atman is the same as Brahma) but still, he does not reach to the furthest level. He is held back by the principle of negation i.e. Siva.

Brahma is the inventor of that imitation of creation that is the theatrical art. Music, dancing, and stagecraft are said to have been revealed by him. - Alain Danielou, The Myths and Gods of India, pg. 237, Inner Traditons International

And that's the essence of Hinduism. This world, the 'demiurge' is a 'shadow' which conceals the true nothingness of reality.

Jehova means "I Am that I Am,"

*Sigh* Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh is whats commonly translated as "I am that I am", not YHVH (or Jehova). Don't know where you read that crap. You should learn Hebrew if you care to talk about it.

reply to post by HattoriHanzou


I don't love Israel, but I do support it.

reply to post by HattoriHanzou


They have sky scrapers, high tech research, and don't put out hate speech to everyone around them.


Just saying.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by HattoriHanzou

 

They have sky scrapers, high tech research, and don't put out hate speech to everyone around them.


Just saying.

edit on 14-2-2012 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)

Well thats about enough to justify slaughtering thousands of innocent men women and children.
And where do you get the idea they dont have hate speech??

Nothing wrong with supporting Israel for whatever reason. However don't be tricked into getting governments involved in the support process, leading to wars and all kinds of nasty stuff.

If you support Israel militarily, move there and help them. Israel has my moral support, getting government involved is borderline blasphemous and not in the best interest of the region or the world.

Israel has nukes, one of the best air forces in the world, and has won every war since it was recreated by Britain/America, without anyone's help.

Israel doesn't need their hand held like little babies, and there is no defense greater for Israel than the wild peoples surrounding them.

No force in history has ever been able to hold any part of that region for an extended period of time. They either get attacked by Jewish people or Muslims. Just as intended.

I may not know alot but one thing I do know is that the Mossad is smart enough to post threads titled 'Why do YOU love Israel' on certain websites.

I'm not saying they are like a Mideast Santa Claus making a list and checking it twice but if anyone owns a flying sled it would be the jews.

reply to post by HattoriHanzou


Why do I love Israel? For the same reason I love Brazil - because neither of them is IRAN.

Originally posted by Cor Leonis
reply to post by HattoriHanzou

 

I am speaking of Jesus the Son of Jehovah, God the Savior of mankind from eternal seperation from God of which Satan, Adam and Eve were instrumental in achieving for all.

Any more guess's of which Jesus I speak of?

That story is a fiction which was created by people with a political agenda.

The idea of original sin is laughable, a mental prison for mentally underdeveloped people who have no sense of either logic or balance.

The Jesus you speak of is a composite figure created for propaganda and control purposes at the Council of Nicea.

Israel is a toilet. A toilet full of excrement & waste. It's way passed time for another country to jingle the handle .

It's time for Iran to take a serious dump & flush the damn toilet when their done. Israel is NO ONES ALLY. READ THEIR HISTORY. It's all you have to do.

reply to post by TheCommentator


War doesn't need justification. You exterminate your enemy. Especially when the entire population is brought up to hate under an oppressive religious dogma.

hate speech? They probably have it. But I don't see it. That's the point. I hear it from Iran every day. I never hear it from Israel. And least you call me a main streamer, I also include the headlines on this website as well.

And least I be said to actually love Israel, I only love them if I HAD to choose a side. If I had a 3rd option, I'd nuke Jerusalem and Mecca and solve the problem forever. Let's see their God stop nuclear fire, if he truly loves them.

reply to post by LightsideAssassin


There are an infinite number of beings who can lay claim to being God. There is only one creator of the universe, and it has no name or form or purpose that can be comprehended by man. it's certainly not the magic sky man Jesus or his father ISH-KUR AKA Jehova.

Why do I love Israel?

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reply to post by dontreally


"According to one Jewish tradition, the Tetragrammaton is related to the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Hebrew verb הוה (ha·wah; become); meaning "He will cause to become" usually understood as "He causes to become". Compare the many Hebrew and Arabic personal names which are 3rd person singular imperfective verb forms starting with "y", e.g. Hebrew Yôsêph = Arabic Yazîd = "He [who] adds"; Arabic Yahyâ = "He [who] lives".
Another tradition regards the name as coming from three different verb forms sharing the same root YWH, the words HYH haya [היה]: "He was"; HWH howê [הוה]: "He is"; and YHYH w'yihiyê [יהיה]: "He will be". This is supposed to show that God is timeless. Other interpretations includes the name as meaning "I am the One Who Is." This can be seen in the traditional Jewish account of the "burning bush" commanding Moses to tell the sons of Israel that "I AM has sent you." (Exodus 3:13-14) Some suggest: "I AM the One I AM." This may also fit the interpretation as "He Causes to Become." Many scholars believe that the most proper meaning may be "He Brings Into Existence Whatever Exists"."

That's in answer to your claim to know the real meaning of Jehova.

The rest of your post is in favor of syncretism with a vile, alien Semitic tribal concept of God that developed from a jealous family pantheon. It was inferior to either the Greek or Hindu systems, because the Semitic peoples lacked an allegorical perspective on their pantheon. Whereas the Greek and Hindu initiates know that their various "gods" are mainly children's stories, with symbolic meanings for those who have eyes and ears, the Semitic peoples really believed that their gods were a bunch of irrational, petulant child-like entities.

I would be careful, as well, about taking any advice from a western convert to Hinduism, especially one like Danielou who disobeys the first law of Manu.

reply to post by Gorman91


The very idea of "hate speech" was invented to keep you from speaking certain things that are quite true. It's a fool's ruse.

EVERYONE has the right to exist. The Israelis, the arabs, the Chinese, Africans, Russians, us, The problem in this world right now is the extremists of various countries who think that only they alone have a right to survive. The people, the common people, get along fine in most cases. They just want a safe place to live, food to eat, and to be able to raise their children. Its the governments that dont get along. And its the governments that do the killing. Look at Syria. When you get two extremist regimes right next door to each other, look out. Its a shame we cant let the Iranian nutcases fight the Israeli nutcases and leave the common folk alone.

reply to post by Gorman91

War doesn't need justification. You exterminate your enemy. Especially when the entire population is brought up to hate under an oppressive religious dogma.

Oh its war is it, but why is it called terrorism if a Palestinians attacks an Israeli?

And using that logic I assume you think the holocaust was justified and not wrong aswell?

There is no war just a sick group of people hell bent on genocide because they want to steal peoples land.
The entire population is not brought up to hate, that’s incredibly ignorant. How would you feel if I said every single Jew hates Palestinians?

hate speech? They probably have it. But I don't see it. That's the point. I hear it from Iran every day. I never hear it from Israel. And least you call me a main streamer, I also include the headlines on this website as well.

Well considering they are blowing up innocent civilians they would have to have a lot of hate speech in their area, but internationally they do a different type of manipulation. They use political action and lobbying to justify killing people rather than speech.
Iran is defending itself; if someone was continually punching you in the face you would say something too.
Israel is the king of hate, everything they do is hate filled and they use ww2 as an excuse to kill thousands of people.
It’s sick that you or anyone would support such crap, if you actually know all the facts.

And least I be said to actually love Israel, I only love them if I HAD to choose a side. If I had a 3rd option, I'd nuke Jerusalem and Mecca and solve the problem forever. Let's see their God stop nuclear fire, if he truly loves them.

So 1st option is support millions of innocent people being slaughtered, 2nd option is support millions of innocent people being slaughtered and 3rd option is support millions of innocent people being slaughtered.

That says it all doesn’t it.

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Liars,Liars, Liars.........Israel is a terrific ally........Ahhh lets see who is a great ally in the mid east other than Israel?
Exactly! NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!!
Again, ATS is the breeding ground of pathetic muslims....