The Secret of Freemasonry Seen in the Reflection of a Mirror - What do you see?

reply to post by SuperiorEd

Taking reward will always lead to suffering. Suffering first will lead to reward. There are no exceptions. Follow the reward by direction and you can confirm the choice as correct or in error.

I don't take any reward from anything. If you really knew what Wicca is about (Witchcraft, as you call it), you would be aware that it insists that if you harm someone with your 'rituals', that harm will be visited back upon you multi-fold.

Wiccans have no dispute with deities. They do not believe in 'summoning demons to do evil.'
I was briefly a part of a local group and was privileged to be part of a 'healing circle ritual for a distant sufferer. There was no malice, no sinister motive, no 'hope of gain or reward.'

I have stood with my children outside and watched the full moon rise and palm to palm, the three of us felt the energy that was roused by our focusing on the moon. I have bought pansies and planted them on Ostara -- the spring rite. I have taken communion; I have prayed solitarily.

You may be 'surrounded' by a library of books, but you have an erroneous view of what Wicca is about. Very erroneous. It deals with mystical and esoteric ability to consciously ask the spiritual PTB for assistance in doing GOOD. To raise positive energy and send it out, whether for healing, or help in any way with problems that others are suffering. To ask for my father and my brother to mend the rift... To ask that my father be healed of his malady. To receive comfort through faith that I am not alone.

You seem to neglect the fact that "Christianity" is a compilation of many different, and older, traditions.

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To expand in a small detail:

Christianity is a compilation of many older, Pagan, religions.

Originally posted by getreadyalready

I'm sorry, but Christ is not the "only" way to the Father as the church would have you believe. He was a wonderful teacher, and he is a great religious icon, but there are infinite ways to reach the Father, and Christ is only 1 of many.

So mote it be.

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Oh, you two are so going to burn at the stake.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

I also have a light to shine in a dark place.

Most of the time it's best to keep your light to yourself. Everyone has their own methods of dealing with the World and answering their own unique questions and fulfilling their souls in which ever ways it needs fulfilling. No two Humans are exactly the same, and religion, created by Man for Man, is but a tool to use to come to an end which will fulfill you. Others, like myself, see nothing in religion and it's organization or execution that in any way entice me spiritually. I find people attitudes of pushing their beliefs onto others because "they have a light to shine in dark places" to be arrogant on so many levels I find it disturbing. It is the antithesis of spirituality, it's a form of self-righteous spiritual superiority. "My beliefs are better than your own".

Some people are witches. Some think their warlocks. Some are Jews, or Buddhist, or Muslims or Catholics. Some belong to fraternities like Masonry, some get their spirituality from reading texts or watching a preacher on TV, or self meditation. YOU have no right to convert anyone. YOU have no right to say what is and what is not right in the eyes of God. YOU have no right to define God, to presume Gods intentions, or to assume God's will. YOU have no right to judge another persons actions less they directly come into conflict with the well-being of another Human-being. I'm happy your so comfortable with your religious views and everything.. more power to you, but I would urge you to keep it to your self, because by claiming spiritual superiority over those you view as less than yourself you become the very opposite of that which you are trying to be. You'll find that your light illuminates what you point it at, but leaves you in darkness.

I understand what you are saying. This logic works well if we speaking of the type of clothing we wear or the way we choose our friends. With this conversation, we are speaking of ritualistic magic as applied to manipulation of laws and economics. We are all affected by this and there IS a root truth that can be seen clearly by comparison. At the heart of all our wars and Corporate greed around the globe, Masonry is found right there leading by proxy and influence. 15 trillion dollars of debt reflects taking. Your family and mine will inherit this mess created by design.

What do you make of this article? LINK

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Yup.
Thanks....
Appreciate the bump.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

Oh, you two are so going to burn at the stake.

LOL!
Yeah, I have a black cat, too, and he's my best bud!, aside from the other two cats and the two dogs, all of whom have names and whom I love very much. AND....and, I grow herbs in my garden.

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So mote it be! Hopefully I can get it on Friday the 13th and do the memory of DeMolay honor

Any way, I know they serve drinks in purgatory....





I can't help it ND, it's too easy to get a rise sometimes

Originally posted by W3RLIED2
reply to post by wildtimes

 

To expand in a small detail:

Christianity is a compilation of many older, Pagan, religions.

The Masonic perspective on Christ is coming through loud and clear. Many of you have accused me of judging. I am not judging. The subject does that. I am sinner like the rest. The difference is from where I claim my subject.

reply to post by SuperiorEd


Look we rule nothing, we are part of an endless chain of interactions, life has the same value Microcosm=Macrocosm, we can only actively make decisions based on the ethical values I mentioned before with regards to our circle of influence and hope that " that the road to hell is " not necessarily "paved with good intentions" and... I hope it is not going to come to you as bad news, but there is no reward involved, there is only action and reaction, no reward no punishment, those are things needed by humans that do not know themselves very good yet, children that have experienced bad parenting and sales floors in call centers and mind-control programs.

Originally posted by SuperiorEd

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by SuperiorEd
When you look at Washington DC, do you see a layout of random purpose, or do you see a urine stain from Freemasonry?

Nope. Just you pissing yourself.

You do realize that the Masonic symbols are stamped on all the buildings and cornerstones in DC. There are 40 lodges in this one city alone. Washington was a Mason. Even the measurements of the Statue of Liberty in NY are masonic representations of symbolic numbers. Where can we go to see a town that was not a product of the craft? Salt Lake? Nope!

And your point being?

Wow. I just saw a few commercial jets. They all of a weird symbol on them, "Boeing"

Must be some sort of "Boeing" conspiracy!

Originally posted by wildtimes
Yeah, I have a black cat, too, and he's my best bud!

Same here except I think he may be plotting my demise.

....and, I grow herbs in my garden.

We talking rosemary, thyme, sage and tarragon or are we talking something else?

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by getreadyalready

I'm sorry, but Christ is not the "only" way to the Father as the church would have you believe. He was a wonderful teacher, and he is a great religious icon, but there are infinite ways to reach the Father, and Christ is only 1 of many.

So mote it be.

For years, the Masons have claimed Christian views and espoused their intentions and motives as pure. Before this weekend, I was on the fence about it. Being the only Christian holding up the banner for Christ in this place, how should I view the Craft? Leave me with a final parting thought.

Originally posted by W3RLIED2
Any way, I know they serve drinks in purgatory....

Actually, they do not serve drinks in Dunn, North Carolina. Repeat, no drinks.

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Once again your painting in broad strokes.

That is MY perspective of Christianity, not Freemasonry's. I was a student of religion well before I applied to become a Mason.

Many masons are Christian. They go to church, and lodge, and there is no conflict of interests. Helping your fellow man, sharing wisdom through experience, taking care of your family.... Those are values that every man, mason and non mason can agree on.

Originally posted by SuperiorEd
For years, the Masons have claimed Christian views...

Really? Care to show us where?

Being the only Christian holding up the banner for Christ in this place, how should I view the Craft?

However you want, it is irrelevant and inconsequential either way.

Leave me with a final parting thought.

Learn there are other people who have differing views on religion and you are never going to convince them to see things your way and then do your best to enjoy their company and commradiere despite your religious differences. Then you just might get what it means to be a Mason.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

We talking rosemary, thyme, sage and tarragon or are we talking something else?

At the moment....thyme, lavendar, coreopsis, and foxglove. Not to mention hydrangea. In the spring it will be more...

And my black cat has no tail! I'm very familiar with him, and understand his language. Is yours as mouthy as mine?

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Ed, I don't wish to sound like I am mocking you..
it just seems that you have a very limited understanding of these things in which you claim to be such an expert. I sincerely hope you learn to relax.

reply to post by W3RLIED2


And just because I don't think this point is driven home enough. I've said it plenty, and I'll keep saying it:

I was raised catholic, and every Friday and Sunday we would ritually consume a piece of un leavened bread, anda sip of wine. We symbolically, and ritually, ate flesh and drank blood. Christianity certainly has a few head scratchers for me, needless to say, how you can come on here and call us ritualistic Luciferians, when every sabbath you practice a ritual as well.

How bout we just agree that there are many different paths that one may take to achieve unity with God. Whichever one a person chooses is their individual, and God given choice.

Originally posted by W3RLIED2
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

Once again your painting in broad strokes.

That is MY perspective of Christianity, not Freemasonry's. I was a student of religion well before I applied to become a Mason.

Many masons are Christian. They go to church, and lodge, and there is no conflict of interests. Helping your fellow man, sharing wisdom through experience, taking care of your family.... Those are values that every man, mason and non mason can agree on.

What stand would you take against the National Audubon Society if all their members were influencing Government and Society in the exact manner that Masons are current influencing Government and Society? Knowing that the above will soon be impossible due to this influence. Knowing that all the choices made by them were influenced by secret ritual and magic, just like the Masons? Any thoughts on how you will feel when you realize the result 15 trillion later; many wars later; many lost opportunities later? Again, I do not judge you personally. I judge the practice against the result by context. The association belongs to the Masons as a group.

reply to post by SuperiorEd

Being the only Christian holding up the banner for Christ in this place, how should I view the Craft? Leave me with a final parting thought.

Relax. That is the final parting thought.
'The Craft' is nothing more than an alternative way to seek assistance from the esoteric powers of nature, and of the deities: God/Goddess, Fire, Earth, Air, Water.
It is not intended to hurt anyone. Think of it as an addendum to 'Christ', who taught to do good to others.
He was a Buddhist, you know.