Athens is on Fire

reply to post by LittleBlackEagle

you see you can't keep printing money and doing nothing to improve your economy and still have the world thinking any other way.

I think that exports are the key.

Originally posted by diamondsmith

Originally posted by Kenrichaed
I just saw a policeman yawn in front of the camera. Do you think your possibly over-reacting a bit?

They use tear gas and extreme violence against the people.

If they are using Molotov Cocktails at me, I would be using extreme violence right back at them??
Tear gas against being firebombed is actually very weak. I'd be shooting them.

Originally posted by diamondsmith
reply to post by LittleBlackEagle

 

you see you can't keep printing money and doing nothing to improve your economy and still have the world thinking any other way.

I think that exports are the key.

keep your eye in the BDI, it's the last way we have of knowing the true state of the real economy in imports and exports.

www.dryships.com...

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I'd be shooting them.

2012, no civilized country can not shoot his citizens except maybe Syria.

reply to post by mugger

Originally posted by mugger
If they are using Molotov Cocktails at me, I would be using extreme violence right back at them??
Tear gas against being firebombed is actually very weak. I'd be shooting them.

What? You would trigger a full-blown civil war and probably get lynched on the spot. Bad trade IMO.
Remember the riots when the greek police killed this one kid? They went totally nuts.

Originally posted by paraphi

Originally posted by cerebralassassins
This is the result of what the IMF is all about and to mention the assassination threat on the former prime minister.

No, this is the result of poor Greek fiscal governance and economic mismanagement over the last few years, coupled with a stupid decision by the Euro cartel to allow them into the Euro zone.

Regards

The problem stems right back from 74 when there was a change of leadership and ideology of what people today refer to as democracy, but sadly as all democracies that have come to power have all ended up head height in corruption, greed and lust for power. There is no nation upon this planet that is able to avoid that corruption. Take a glance at the u.s., its minority knows all to well how corrupt the nation is , but the majority are still living in a dream world were plastic money seems to be okay and real hard cash seems to be frowned upon.

Take a cold hard look at Greece, the experiment was performed on a nation of 12 million and took 2.5 years for it to succeed, how much time do you believe would be required for a nation the size of the U.S. to be in the same position, btw, the clock is actually ticking.

Originally posted by LittleBlackEagle

Originally posted by diamondsmith
reply to post by LittleBlackEagle

 

you see you can't keep printing money and doing nothing to improve your economy and still have the world thinking any other way.

I think that exports are the key.

keep your eye in the BDI, it's the last way we have of knowing the true state of the real economy in imports and exports.

www.dryships.com...

Correct, never expected someone from ats to post that link.

Originally posted by cerebralassassins

Originally posted by diamondsmith
reply to post by cerebralassassins

 

Its far worse than what the link is showing and it will get worse

And what a beautiful country Greece use to be, very welcoming people and now it's a living hell.

The country remains beautiful and the people as warm as ever, its just that the people finally woke today and realized that its all an illusion, the pay outs are only for the banks while pensions have been slashed in half, the medical system has all but collapsed, everyone is on edge, you can literally slice the air with a knife like you would butter, its definitely not for the faint heated and this is but the beginning, i hear that spain is getting ready for their battle in several days or weeks.

I understand there is huge underlying tension, and you put it very eloquently.
But this is not going to help one iota; it only helps make things that much worse.
You want to vent? Go and swear; go and write about it; go and protest, loudly and furiously.
But destruction is destruction. It means less money, less beauty, less prosperity, less well-being.
Less, not more.
And if so many people fail to understand that, or refuse to think constructively, I'd say the problem goes well beyond this current crisis.

Originally posted by AdAstra

Originally posted by cerebralassassins

Originally posted by diamondsmith
reply to post by cerebralassassins

 

Its far worse than what the link is showing and it will get worse

And what a beautiful country Greece use to be, very welcoming people and now it's a living hell.

The country remains beautiful and the people as warm as ever, its just that the people finally woke today and realized that its all an illusion, the pay outs are only for the banks while pensions have been slashed in half, the medical system has all but collapsed, everyone is on edge, you can literally slice the air with a knife like you would butter, its definitely not for the faint heated and this is but the beginning, i hear that spain is getting ready for their battle in several days or weeks.

I understand there is huge underlying tension, and you put it very eloquently.
But this is not going to help one iota; it only helps make things that much worse.
You want to vent? Go and swear; go and write about it; go and protest, loudly and furiously.
But destruction is destruction. It means less money, less beauty, less prosperity, less well-being.
Less, not more.
And if so many people fail to understand that, or refuse to think constructively, I'd say the problem goes well beyond this current crisis.

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Sometimes you need to destroy something for it be re-built. This is a natural order. A plain and simple but self explanatory example of this is when bushfire's run wild and wipe out kilometers of forest and leave back a dark black cold landscape, yet within that landscape the very next day you will always see a flower bloom and new tree born. This is a natural order this is how it must be, this is what is to be.

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I'd say the problem goes well beyond this current crisis.

Probably there are many problems that come from the past and or accumulated so that what happens now is happening.

reply to post by cerebralassassins

Sometimes you need to destroy something for it be re-built. This is a natural order.

In organized societies with social order is no need for destruction but constructive attitude on both sides.

Originally posted by diamondsmith
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Sometimes you need to destroy something for it be re-built. This is a natural order.

In organized societies with social order is no need for destruction but constructive attitude on both sides.

So what happens when one side fails to be constructive....well you and the world are eyewitnesses to what happens when one side fails to be constructive. This political system has failed on all fronts. across all ages. within all time frames, the european union has failed as a core function. This is the result of such a failure. The citizens did not wake up today thinking they will go out and burn the city, this is what happens when people simply say...enough is enough, time to stand our ground and let our voices be heard. For the record, television viewing has dropped by 30% based on media outlet houses, indicating that its citizens no longer view the mass hypnosis apparatus and as such are and have woken up..!

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by mugger

 

Originally posted by mugger
If they are using Molotov Cocktails at me, I would be using extreme violence right back at them??
Tear gas against being firebombed is actually very weak. I'd be shooting them.

What? You would trigger a full-blown civil war and probably get lynched on the spot. Bad trade IMO.
Remember the riots when the greek police killed this one kid? They went totally nuts.

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Aww don't sweat it. NATO would send the US military in for humanitarian purposes. /sarcasm.

Austerity measures voted

Greece passes crucial bailout vote as country burns The Greek parliament approved a deeply unpopular austerity bill to secure a second $130bn (£110bn) bailout and avoid a messy default after a day of street battles between police and protesters left Athens in flames.

source(www.telegraph.co.uk...

I feel like this is only going to get worse and spread. As sad as it is to see that beautiful country literally being turned to ash, I am relieved to see the people of Greece fighting back. They got screwed badly as the rest of us are being screwed badly. They aren't even hiding it anymore.

Originally posted by Kali74
... I am relieved to see the people of Greece fighting back. They got screwed badly as the rest of us are being screwed badly. They aren't even hiding it anymore.

Exactly what and who are the Greek people fighting back against? The Greek people benefitted greatly through an unprecedented improvement in standards of living. Thing is, the improvements were all on borrowed money.

Greece is a nation which failed to change, spurred on by politicians who saw a tap of money.

www.nytimes.com...

I have full sympathy for the average Greek, but feel that they have not helped themselves. The austerity is harsh justice for a decade of frivolity. Maybe what will pop out of the end is a Greece which is more capable of living within its means.

Smashing up your towns and cities because you are “angry” makes my sympathy seep away. In my book, people who participate in wanton destruction are stupid. You should make your point without firebombing the local cafe. People who glorify such destruction from their armchairs and simplify it all down to “the oppressed versus banks” live in a fantasy world.

Regards

How will they prevent this in the US when it is inevitable? The very thought makes chills go down my spine. My bet is either a nuclear false flag, or a lethal pandemic to create a third party excuse..

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The same can be said for people who don't understand what these austerity measures mean in reality. Maybe you see it as tightening the belt but to take from another post I made a few minutes ago...tightening the belt shouldn't mean choosing between heat and food. Yes to a degree the populace is to blame, but surely the entirety of it doesn't rest on their shoulders not even the Greek governments' yet, it's only the populace being forced to sacrifice.

A few more videos of the riots







0:44 Did that police officer just got hit by an arrow in his neck?!

Originally posted by eywadevotee
How will they prevent this in the US when it is inevitable? The very thought makes chills go down my spine. My bet is either a nuclear false flag, or a lethal pandemic to create a third party excuse..

I think there the things are a little bit different,we must remember the foundations of democracy and think positive as maybe natural events could unite in the future.