Occupy Wall street, we are witnessing social revolution.

Originally posted by Swamper

Originally posted by trust_no_one
reply to post by PaxVeritas

 

anywho to the OP, communism is not the solution to the troubles in our current system, there is reason they lost the cold war.

What are you talking about? There has never been a real communist government. They were/are all Dictatorships.

As I have said, Marx and Lenin said there would of necessity be a dictatorship of the proletariat with the elite being the rulers at top. There will always be someone at the top running things.
If the dictatorships of Mao, Lenin, Stalin, and Kim Jong Il were not communist, then would you like to tell us what a "real communist government" would look like?

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Yeah we obviously are not wired the same because what you say doesn't make any sense at all if it is suppose to be a response to what I said.

Originally posted by User8911
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

Yeah we obviously are not wired the same because what you say doesn't make any sense at all if it is suppose to be a response to what I said.

Yet another odd thing about Marxists, is their tragic belief that they are nothing more than their bodies, and any thoughts they have can only come from "wires" and other such metaphors that are physiological in nature. Thoughts, according to these Marxists, couldn't possibly be a product of anything other than neurons popping off in the brain. Thus, the Marxist has excuse to claim disability for their lack of critical thinking skills because it "must be wires" or something. Of course, being disabled in critical thought, the Marxist passionately clings to the belief that they are "the 99%" so their lack of critical thinking skills - caused by "different wires" - is common, and critical thinking - caused by "wires" - is uncommon and therefore suspect.

Don't give up, sport. Keep trying to think until you can and then once you can then do think.

I thoroughly enjoy seeing so many people standing up and speaking out, however I think the OWS is more of a social networking failure than a momentous social revolution. The ideology is fascinating but they seem to have no sustenance to maintain it. I've tried to figure out what the solution is and I've heard so many different ones, it seems they want to effect change without a model to change to, which is of itself a conflict based societal idea. Their social group itself even seems to lack a cohesion. I hope that the individual elements do not unravel what could be a good thing by not planning and preparing effectively.

If I were to run a business selling widgets and my suppliers were in cohoots against me would I fire them before finding a new way of getting and distributing my widgets or would I just stop selling widgets, repurpose my entire business, or close my doors?

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Don't give up, sport. Keep trying to think until you can and then once you can then do think.

Ok, first I'm not a Marxist so I don't know who you think you are to judge me and insult me.

I just said you are wired differently because I didn't want to insult you since I personally think you are extremely shallow minded. I too think you are disabled of critical thinking.

Now that we both see each other as morons, we know what kind of answer to expect from each other.

Originally posted by Kaploink

Originally posted by PaxVeritas
Occupy Wall Street FAILED because of drivel similar to yours.

"Capitalism"?

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Failed? Not at all. It woke up a lot of people that to the idea that perhaps something is wrong with this country. That the corruption in the government that favors the wealthy corporations and individuals over the majority of the Americans is wrong. That perhaps the growing income disparity is something to be questioned instead of pretending that benefits will somehow trickle down to the average American through job creation while the jobs are being exported to other countries.

Sure the camps are being broken up, but the feeling that something is wrong in this country still persists. When you see Republican nominees talking about income disparity instead of the normal trickle down and how the wealthy are suffering, you know something is changing.

Yeah... It failed. And perhaps, instead of mandating a method to take moneyh from people who earn it, considet getting off our butt and making it work for you.

That is one of the major problems with weak intelligences... The only way they can see tings working is to mandate a method whereby it's easier to take things that belong to someone else, instead of working for it themselves.

Communism?... Yeah, it didn't work in Russia, it's not really working in China, and I'm thinking you'll find it is a loser system.

Originally posted by WiindWalker

Originally posted by PaxVeritas
Occupy Wall Street FAILED because of drivel similar to yours.

"Capitalism"?

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Before you laugh at your own lie, why dont you realize that it has not failed. In many ways they may have given themselves a bad name, but failure? No way. What they are protesting IS getting through to the higher ups. It may take time to accomplish their demands but 1 by 1 you will start seeing the cookie crumble.

They are a failure... You folks so wrapped up on your self-righteousness crack me up. You cannot be old enough to have been out in the world on your own, and made it for yourself... Either that or someone has been feeding you some incredibly stupid information, and you've been lanely swallowing it all. The 1%, as you lamely refer to them as, are not going to crash. The Middle Class won't let that happen. If the rich have to start giving all they own to the poor, then what's to keep someone from coming after the middle class? Use your head for something other than a place ot hang a Yale cap...

Thomas Paine said something to the effect (in Common Sense) that government exists to restrain our vices and to protect the whole. Our suffering is even more when you reflect and realize that we are the cause of our own suffering, because if the impulses of conscience were irresistibly obeyed than man would need no other law giver.

If we weren't all so violent, immature, uncaring, etc., we wouldn't need a government to govern us.

And then, Krishnamirta said, "it is a crisis in consciousness". We have a lot of learning to do, myself included.

While going through the posts I am amazed there are so many people who feel that capitalism has failed and that communism or some system similar would be preferable. Many posters seem to feel powerless in their working careers and think that the evil rich are controlling their lives and fates. I have a hard time understanding how people have come to that kind of thinking. I am 71 years old so have many years of experience under my belt. I have spent a lot of time over seas in Europe and communist countries. I have spent a lot of time in Russia, Hungary, Romania, Armenia and Kyrgyzstan. What ever problems we may have here in the United States if you would have traveled in the former communist countries like I have you would have seen how communism destroys the human spirit. When the state provides everything for the people then the people slowly quit working. Why work when the state provides it. Slowly, ever so slowly the people produce less and less, people become more slothful, the economy becomes more inefficient and people work less and less. Communist countries could not compete with capitalist countries and that is why communism failed. So I recommend you young people who dream of a better system then capitalism forget it. There is no better system.

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I think capitalism tempered by morality is the best system. When religion goes capitalism fails--exactly what the cultural marxists thought when trying to destroy it.

If people become greedy it is because they forgot God.

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You do realize that Liberalism is a Mental Disorder.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by seabag

 

Yes, you are exactly correct in your post on wages. As soon as govt dictates wages, the market forces are no longer in full force. But we already have some govt interference with minimum wage and further degradation of the market with price floors and ceilings. But you are correct, when govt begins to dictate "sustainable wages" for everyone it's going to be communist/socialist/totalitarian. So many people lately seem to have been duped into believing the lie that govt will take care of us all if we just let them. Why haven't they learned the lessons from communist Russia?

There's going to be a rude awakening when people realize the idealistic utopian stuff they have been wanting wont be what they thought. Rather, it will be the govt dictating wages, jobs, where you can work, what housing you get to be in, etc. Obama aspires to us all living in some communist apartment living(while he and his friends have mansion homes of course, that's the part he's not telling us).

Today, it is NOT the gov dictating wages, but your facist pals, and thus the woes worldwide while they get richer and richer daily.

The lesson of modern russia is to NEVER allow facism to continue, or american workers will face far worse inequality as the mobs whom have the MOST untaxed funds, to rule in collusion with the dog gov that Putin is heading.

Are we to accept the status quo by facist corporations, or use our mankind's power by the VOTE, to get the status quo change so that a FAIRER, not necessarily equal, wage is applied to all?

From what I observed, as soon as consciousness develops, the tendency for competition stops being the dominant form of driving force and makes way to more profitable ways like collaboration.

Forgot to add that competition therefor tends to be reinforced on humans to maintain the systems that use it,mainly Capitalism.

Check this video out:

www.ted.com...

Originally posted by rskenan
While going through the posts I am amazed there are so many people who feel that capitalism has failed and that communism or some system similar would be preferable.

No one including myself said anything like that. You are mistaken in your interpretation, I was only talking about what I read in the Communist Manifesto and how I perceived it as relating to the current situation today, nothing more. I haven't even read the whole thing yet, I don't know enough to say I would support communism or not.

My post was not directed specifically at you but towards the general tone that I perceive in all the responses. When you say "I don't know enough to say I would support communism or not" it seems to reflect the lack of knowledge that the OWS protesters had in general about what they would have to do to succeed in life. Since you don't know whether communism is a good system on not already shows what a poor education you had.
Communism is one of the worst and most evil systems of government implemented in the history of earth. It is sad you don't know that already.

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AzureSky, you have never failed to make the most intelligent, accurate points. You're absolutely right and I wish everyone could come to the agreement that the world desperately needs the things of which you speak.

Occupy is a very important movement and it pains me when people choose to remain blind, instead of encouraging the movement. The blind hold out hope, over and over again, for the same old status quo that has ruined the world, as if they're actually terrified of change for the better.

My hope is that, when the critical mass occurs, the people will be able to fight and win. TPTB are indeed trying to make the US into a police state, as they're obviously frightened their house of cards is falling. Will the people ever be able to fight and destroy such a firmly entrenched system?

Edit to add: Everyone should read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man", per your suggestion.

Originally posted by RadioactiveRob

Originally posted by rskenan
While going through the posts I am amazed there are so many people who feel that capitalism has failed and that communism or some system similar would be preferable.

No one including myself said anything like that. You are mistaken in your interpretation, I was only talking about what I read in the Communist Manifesto and how I perceived it as relating to the current situation today, nothing more. I haven't even read the whole thing yet, I don't know enough to say I would support communism or not.

After you're done with that, read Orwell's Animal Farm. The problem isn't in the ideology of any system, it's in the implementation and people in power. Every human-devised system is subject to corruption and greed. It's the stumbling block of every single society that ever was or will be.

Originally posted by rskenan
My post was not directed specifically at you but towards the general tone that I perceive in all the responses. When you say "I don't know enough to say I would support communism or not" it seems to reflect the lack of knowledge that the OWS protesters had in general about what they would have to do to succeed in life. Since you don't know whether communism is a good system on not already shows what a poor education you had.
Communism is one of the worst and most evil systems of government implemented in the history of earth. It is sad you don't know that already.

It's sad that you think your somehow better or more educated because you watch big media like CNN, you probably never read the Communist Manifesto or anything on communism for that matter. Perhaps you read a wikipedia article or heard something about it on CNN's spin hour, but you probably don't know anything really. That's why you result to insults and try to pull off this "what a poor education you've had, how sad that you don't know this already" superiority nonsense. You're not better than or smarter than anyone here buddy. So get out of here with that crap.